EPTIraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 309
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Please guys, stay on topic. This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2118 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
On September 16 2015 22:30 xM(Z wrote: communism held them together so then, the fuck is wrong with democracy? democracy and communism are completely different things. Communism is an economic system like socialism or capitalism. Democracy compares with Republics (like the USA), Monarchies, Dictatorships, Oligarchies, etc. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
Pentagon: Russia has moved its first tactical fighter jets to a base in Syria - @WSJ | ||
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Sermokala
United States14198 Posts
USA didn't kill saddam we let a democraticaly elected government do it. If we did it it probably would have been better. | ||
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
On September 16 2015 23:07 xM(Z wrote: hmm, as far as i knew communism is a socioeconomic enterprise, not only an economic one. While I learned what it was in college government you can look at wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government Communism is under economic systems, but not listed under government types. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10163 Posts
On September 15 2015 05:42 Sermokala wrote: The mistake america made was that we didn't take a harder line in guideing the iraq people into their new country, instead we had the hubiris to let them take control over their own country without instruction of what that ment long term. We really should have just partitioned the whole state into thirds and make everyone happy with the new balkans. The mistake was the Iraq invasion, full stop. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
On September 19 2015 17:18 Eliezar wrote: While I learned what it was in college government you can look at wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government Communism is under economic systems, but not listed under government types. It is right there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government#By_socio-economic_system_attributes "Communism: A form of socialism, in which all capital is commonly owned (either by the people directly or through the commune), and production is undertaken for use, rather than for exchange. Communist society is thus stateless, classless, moneyless, and democratic." | ||
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Cazimirbzh
334 Posts
Communism is under economic systems, but not listed under government types. That's because Economic as a concept as been bullied by stupid people in order to pretend it's a science but it cannot be by definition. A good example is nobel, there's no economic science nobel prize because for scientifics economic cant be consider a science for obvious reasons. Economic is by definition link to social interactions. When you read adam smith, marx, ricardo, their writings are socialogical essays not mathematic gibberish. It's reminded me the last example why social studies cant be science https://osf.io/ezcuj/wiki/home/ It's all about reproducibility and economic theorems dont follow to this science law. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Sadly there is no nobel prize for maths either. Your argument doesnt work so well. PS what does all of this have to do with Syria and Iraq civil war? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
Edit: i'd say from communism to democracy you'd need at least 10years to(maybe) 15 - 20 depending on your population adaptability capabilities (education mostly imo). from a dictatorship+tribal social order to democracy, i've no idea. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
On September 19 2015 18:21 mahrgell wrote: but maths is a science as it consists mostly out of mathematic gibberish? Sadly there is no nobel prize for maths either. Your argument doesnt work so well. PS what does all of this have to do with Syria and Iraq civil war? I would say that the problem is not the lack of scientific Nobel prize for economics, but rather the fact that the "Nobel prize" in economics has been awarded for theories that came up with diametrically opposite conclusions, on several occasions. That is akin to awarding Nobel prize in physics for two conflicting theories - one predicting the universe ending in a Big Freeze and the other - in a Big Collapse. /off-topic | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Cazimirbzh
334 Posts
Same could apply to "civil war on syria and iraq", syria and iraq are just political creation from postcolonial area and civil war....considereing how many foreign governement are involved since day 1 it's really hard to call it civil war. I think it's really important to know the background and goals of the pple you're talking with as it can help to understand what definition they implies. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14198 Posts
On September 19 2015 19:05 Redox wrote: Why the fk are you arguing about commmunism? There never was communism in Iraq or Syria. This is as off topic as it gets. If you would at the very least read the page of the thread you are commenting on you would understand. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 20 2015 01:25 Sermokala wrote: If you would at the very least read the page of the thread you are commenting on you would understand. I read it, and it was started with this nonsense post: On September 16 2015 22:30 xM(Z wrote: communism held them together so then, the fuck is wrong with democracy? My post was a direct reference to this post that started it. And nope, I dont understand. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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AssyrianKing
Australia2118 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
Not too long and quite interesting to read. Executive Summary • Defectors from the so-called Islamic State (IS) are a new and growing phenomenon. Since January 2014, at least 58 individuals have left the group and publicly spoken about their defection. They represent a small fraction of the many disillusioned fighters who have turned against IS. • The defectors provide unique insight into life in the Islamic State. But their stories can also be used as a potentially powerful tool in the fight against it. The defectors’ very existence shatters the image of unity and determination that IS seeks to convey. Their narratives highlight the group’s contradictions and hypocrisies. Their example encourages members to leave the group. And their experience and credibility can help deter others from joining. • The defectors’ reasons for leaving may be as complex as the reasons they joined. Not everyone has become a fervent supporter of liberal democracy. Some may have committed crimes. They joined the most violent and totalitarian organization of our age, yet they have also become its victims. • Among the stories of the 58 defectors, we identified four key narratives: 1) ‘IS is more interested in fighting fellow (Sunni) Muslims than the Assad government.’ 2) ‘IS is involved in brutality and atrocities against (Sunni) Muslims.’ 3) ‘IS is corrupt and un-Islamic.’ 4) ‘Life under IS is harsh and disappointing.’ • Defecting from IS is complex and dangerous. Wannabe defectors are faced with numerous obstacles. Their first challenge is to separate from IS and make their way into non-IS held territory. But even those who succeed are not necessarily safe. What prevents them from speaking out is the fear of reprisals and the worry that prosecutors may use their openness against them. • Our recommendations are for governments and activists to recognize the value and credibility of defector narratives; provide defectors with opportunities to speak out; assist them in resettlement and ensure their safety; and remove legal disincentives that prevent them from going public. | ||
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