EPTIraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 308
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 11 2015 01:00 xM(Z wrote: so who's kicking SAAs airports and oil fields?. the syrian rebels backed by teh west? Nope mostly ISIS, sometimes Nusra. But as said before western coaltion will not protect SAA. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
On September 10 2015 09:02 TheFish7 wrote: PBS has a really good one on the rise of ISIS. video.pbs.org Thanks for the video. Now I understand why the West is so reluctant to intervene in this mess. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
how is that even real combat?; it looks like practice/fun shooting sessions. ISIS is selling its oil to and through Kurdistan+Syria to Turkey, Iran, Jordan and then the rest of the world. US and the Coalition are only bombing some of ISIS refineries but not its oil fields due to some weird reasons(local/tribal economies would suffer, they want to prevent damage to their infrastructure and so on). Russia is going to Syria because it wants a piece of the pie. Assad's people are working with ISIS(within syrian territory) in refining, extracting and smuggling oil. taking oil out of Syria is a joke. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Only way I can imagine it is Syria is if it is Russian soldiers in Tartus that protect their base there and are having some excercise. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On September 11 2015 17:27 Silvanel wrote: Do You really belive Putin will send Russian soldiers to take part in ground operations? They are there to advise and train. Which is precisly what we see on video. And oil or no oil Russia was invested in Syria for a very long time. Its more about sphere of influence for Russia afterall they are exporting not importing oil. first, you can never have to much oil(also, keep in mind here that it's the middle east illegal oil sales that crashed the market which in turn made Russia's oil exports/economy suffer even more). i believe that if Russia has something on the ground(in Syria) that needs defending(refineries, oil fields, harbors etc) then they will send soldiers there. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1190 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 11 2015 20:43 KT_Elwood wrote: Saddam should be awarded with the nobel peace-prize for keeping sunis and shiits and Goatfuckers from kicking in each others heads to fuck the country for everyone. Saddam was kicking shiit and kurdish heads in all the time. Which is part of the reason why we have this conflict now. Many of Saddam's former guys are part of ISIS now and responsible for much of the carnage. And his wars against his neighbours led to about a million dead. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2118 Posts
On September 11 2015 20:54 Redox wrote: Saddam was kicking shiit and kurdish heads in all the time. Which is part of the reason why we have this conflict now. Many of Saddam's former guys are part of ISIS now and responsible for much of the carnage. And his wars against his neighbours led to about a million dead. As funny as it sounds... A lot of Iraqis actually hold this view, as bad as Saddam was, he was better than what is actually currently in place right now. In his rule, you as a Sunni could not come up to a Shia and mock him, or Shia to Sunni, or Sunni to Christian, etc, etc, etc. As soon as his rule ended, my friends relative (Christian) got hit in the street by a Sunni... because he was Christian. That's how sad the situation has become, that after all this time they see Saddam's days as better days. The Assyrian community currently right now in Baghdad is also persecuted by the Iraqis themselves, lots of murders going on. It's such a shit storm | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 11 2015 20:54 Redox wrote: Saddam was kicking shiit and kurdish heads in all the time. Which is part of the reason why we have this conflict now. Many of Saddam's former guys are part of ISIS now and responsible for much of the carnage. And his wars against his neighbours led to about a million dead. That war with Iran that was supported and encouraged by the West. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 12 2015 13:32 ImFromPortugal wrote: That war with Iran that was supported and encouraged by the West. And that exonerates him or what is your point? | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
For this post allow me to use "we" liberally. Then Saddam got mad at Kuwait and now we have to hate Saddam. We didn't actually finish off Saddam in 1990. Then Sunnis got mad at US for the military that was left behind after gulf war and did two WTC terrorism events (1993&2001) Now we have to hate Sunni extremists and whacked Afghanistan. Then we had to whacked the one that got away in 1990. Then we unbottled the sectarian violence of the Modern Balkans Pennisula that is Iraq where it's Kurds vs Sunni vs Shia. And Christian should just GTFO. Then this ISIS thing cam up because Sunnis need to defend themselves against Shia even if it means they are partnering with a nasty organization. TLDR; US foreign policy is braindead. Wow: I'm mostly impressed with Kurds solidly controlling so much territory. http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/desyracuse-syria-civil-war-30-august-2015_51271#7/34.890/40.265 | ||
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Sermokala
United States14198 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 13 2015 00:25 Sermokala wrote: To be fair the british caused a lot of the problems in the middle east from the start. Nothing that we did in the middle east we didn't do to smashing success in other parts of the world first. The balkans worked out pretty well after a few years of war. don't forget the french  | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14198 Posts
On September 15 2015 04:05 Catch]22 wrote: People are acting in this thread as if the Shia-Sunni splits are caused by the US. They have been at each others throats since before the US existed. They're referencing just the most current shia-sunni split in Iraq when we let the country be a democracy and the larger side took it as a licence to bully the smaller side that had been in power for a while. The mistake america made was that we didn't take a harder line in guideing the iraq people into their new country, instead we had the hubiris to let them take control over their own country without instruction of what that ment long term. We really should have just partitioned the whole state into thirds and make everyone happy with the new balkans. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
When you lose a strong man, (Tito vs Saddam), over a country rule in a pseudo dictatorship over mixed ethnicities (Yugoslavia and Iraq), and it devolves into democracy, you get ethnic-sectarian ambitions rising to the surface, (Milosevic vs Maliki). And you get all of the ethnic-sectarian violence, cleansing, fighting (Croatia/Bosnia vs Baghdad) because various factions see the centralised power as license to tyranny and murder. Britain was responsible for creating the Iraq myth to start, but US had to know when they whacked Saddam. Yet US spent billions propping up the myth, while never structurally addressing the issue, such that the myth fell apart as soon as they left. Trillion dollars of dollars wasted. | ||
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