On October 25 2014 09:40 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: ISIS leaders defecting! HAHA They know the end is nigh! Also, Assassin's Creed-style anti-IS assassinations going on in Mosul apparently.
Senior members of the Sunni Muslim extremist group, the Islamic State, have disappeared from Mosul and Tikrit. Sources suggest they defected for a number of reasons: they fear the end is nigh for their group, the threat posed by unhappy former allies who have already assassinated some of their number and because of promises of money and safety.
Last week was a tough week for the Sunni Muslim extremist group known as the Islamic State, or IS. It had incurred serious losses of manpower in strongholds in both Syria and Iraq.
Figures released by the Iraqi Ministries of Defence and the Interior suggest that the IS group lost around 400 fighters in Iraq and reports from Syria say as many as 500 IS fighters have been killed there, particularly around Kobani where there is fierce fighting but also in strongholds like Raqqa, where airstrikes by an international coalition are having an impact.
And it seems that some of the leaders in the IS group now feel that the writing is on the wall and that the IS group won’t be able to hold onto power for much longer.
Confidential information from inside Iraq military intelligence obtained by NIQASH says that several senior leaders in the IS group have disappeared from areas the group controls – most particularly from inside Mosul, the northern city the group considers it’s Iraqi capital, and from parts of the Salahaddin province.
NIQASH’s source inside Iraqi intelligence says that most of the IS group leaders who disappeared are field commanders, men responsible for administration of combatants and territorial sectors. Most of them are Iraqis too – they are not from among the IS group’s Arab or foreign fighters. And apparently the group of defectors also includes one Ali al-Hamadani, who is thought to be very close to the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as well as another senior leader whose name is unknown as yet but who was allegedly responsible for al-Baghdadi’s personal protection.
Asked as to why these senior members may have defected, the source told NIQASH that it was down to the success of local and foreign infiltration into the organisation. The senior members had been promised money and protection, their future safety guaranteed if they left the IS group and gave up information about the group’s plans and movements.
It is also thought that the senior leaders are leaving because they fear that the IS group will not last much longer in Iraq and that they might eventually be killed. If they are caught though, they will also be killed as the sentence for betraying the organisation, as decreed by its leader, al-Baghdadi, is also death.
There has also been a rumour that al-Baghdadi had been moving a large amount of money around, smuggling it out of Iraq and investing it with friendly businessmen in the Gulf States in order to ensure that the IS group has financial stability – in case, one imagines, they lose the money-making territory they currently control.
After rumours about the defection of these senior leaders began to circulate, the IS group held one of their traditional demonstrations of strength and power, organising a parade of vehicles and manpower through Mosul’s streets.
Locals say that other senior members of the IS group –including the group’s spokesperson, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, the IS-appointed governor of Mosul, Abu Bakr al-Khatouni, and the group’s military leader in Tal Afar, Abu Ala al-Afri - all returned from Syria to take over the posts left empty by the deserters.
Or cry in a corner or run off to Syria. But now that Maliki's complete evisceration of the military is being reversed and there is a "re-Baathification", in a sense, in the government and military going on, ISIS knows they stand no chance. Not even their own Baathist guys can save them.
GET NO SCOPED!!!!!! The strategic town of Jurf al-Sakhar liberated by Iraqi forces.
BAGHDAD/ARBIL, Iraq, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Iraqi government forces and Shi'ite militias seized control of the strategic town of Jurf al-Sakhar near Baghdad from Islamic State on Saturday and Kurdish fighters made gains in the north after heavy coalition air strikes against the Sunni militants.
Iraqi troops and their Shi'ite allies broke the grip of Islamic State in Jurf al-Sakhar after months of fighting against insurgents determined to march on the capital.
"Our forces with the support of the volunteers are in total control over Jurf al-Sakhar now and the terrorists fled to the southwest areas of the town," a spokesman for security forces there said.
A victory could allow Iraqi forces to prevent the Sunni insurgents - positioned in several locations around Baghdad - from edging closer to the capital, sever connections to their strongholds in western Anbar province and stop them infiltrating the mainly Shi'ite south.
The security officials said the Sunni insurgents fled to the two nearby villages of al-Farisiya and Hay al-Askari and were still attacking with sniper fire and mortars. Government forces were preparing for a major overnight operation against them.
In the latest fighting, 67 members of the Iraqi security forces and Shi'ite militias as well as 300 Islamic State fighters were killed, the officials said.
Three Turkish soldiers have been shot dead in broad daylight in the Yüksekova district of the southeastern province of Hakkari, Doğan News Agency has reported.
The three soldiers, who were not uniformed, were shot at around 4 p.m. on Oct. 25 on the district's central Cengiz Topel Street before succumbing to their injuries in hospital, the agency said.
The General Staff said in a written statement that the victims were one gendarmerie specialist sergeant and two gendarmerie privates.
> wow such heroes > much operation > manly fight > remove pkk from terrorist list, freedom fighters
A Turkish village guard who disappeared last month was killed by separatists who shot him against a post in an execution-style killing, the army said Oct. 27.
The corpse of the man, who the army said was abducted on Sept. 12, was found Oct. 26 tied with electrical wire to a telegraph post in the district of Tatvan of Bitlis province in southeastern Turkey.
[They put 10 lira to his mouth.]
Other news:
“Unfortunately, we disagree with Russia over the Syria issue. We have talked about this many times, but we have wasted time despite our meetings. Russia continues to support [the Syrian regime]. Apart from this issue, our economic relations [with Russia] are very good,” Erdoğan said, also acknowledging that Turkey and Iran have considerably different stances on the Syria crisis.
Packets of an unidentified yellow powder were sent to five Western consulates in Istanbul on Oct. 24, officials said, prompting security alerts following two militant attacks in Canada this week.
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On October 27 2014 03:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I think the Turks are scared of going to war against the Kurds. America would have already destroyed half of Turkish Kurdistan by this time.
Same thing with Iraq, you cant seek & destroy every house when some civilians hide them in their houses. Or Turkey cant enter Iraq, we dont have such offensive power. Our military is mostly def-based. They flee to Iraq...
A Turkish village guard who disappeared last month was killed by separatists who shot him against a post in an execution-style killing, the army said Oct. 27.
The corpse of the man, who the army said was abducted on Sept. 12, was found Oct. 26 tied with electrical wire to a telegraph post in the district of Tatvan of Bitlis province in southeastern Turkey.
“Unfortunately, we disagree with Russia over the Syria issue. We have talked about this many times, but we have wasted time despite our meetings. Russia continues to support [the Syrian regime]. Apart from this issue, our economic relations [with Russia] are very good,” Erdoğan said, also acknowledging that Turkey and Iran have considerably different stances on the Syria crisis.
Packets of an unidentified yellow powder were sent to five Western consulates in Istanbul on Oct. 24, officials said, prompting security alerts following two militant attacks in Canada this week.
On October 27 2014 03:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I think the Turks are scared of going to war against the Kurds. America would have already destroyed half of Turkish Kurdistan by this time.
Same thing with Iraq, you cant seek & destroy every house when some civilians hide them in their houses. Or Turkey cant enter Iraq, we dont have such offensive power. Our military is mostly def-based. They flee to Iraq...
Well this is how the Kurds fight. They hide in mountains or they hide in houses with civilians. You can't fight against Kurdish insurgents without also killing thousands of civilians. There's no way around it. But if Kurdish insurgents, which historically have been a plague in Turkey and Iraq, keep up what they're doing and attempt to split the interior of each of the nations more and more, then the only solution will be to root them out and battle them.
Still, why are the Kurds in Syria and Iran so docile and calm compared to their folks in Turkey and Iraq?
German Report: How Turkey Arms and Sends Wahhabi Jihadists into Syria
This report shows how Turkey allows jihadists from all over the world to use its land as a stonghold in order to fight the Syrian government. Turkey also arms the jihadists, provides them with medical treatment, and allows them to cross the Turkish-Syrian border freely without any restrictions.
Saudi Billionaire Prince: Saudi Arabia's Funding of Rebels in Syria Led to Rise of ISIL
I really doubt they have stopped their support totally.
"IF" you dont prove that Turkey armed ISIL jihadists on purpose, you are only a filth Turkey hater. Stop bullshitting this topic on every chance you have. Have you seen John Kerry's speech at UN or to other media like newspapers etc? Why didnt you post those interviews, when Kerry emphatically answered that there is NO EVIDENCE that Turkey supported or armed jihadists but there is oil smuggling into Turkey. So Kerry, America, Nato, Coalition vs your bullshit german channel video.
Its so stupid you can believe that a NATO country which is controlled or audited by many obligatory systems would support jihadists by risking itself with possible kick from NATO or being bombed by US.
So you say, whole world (including biggest INTEL COOPS) possibly knew about Turkeys jihadist arming and let that happen? Is Turkey that powerful? Or US blinded his eyes for a while alongside with whole world in order to satisfy Turkeys Esad hatred? On many cases, your argument is not valid, and will always be flippant media gossip, guess why. NO EVIDENCE.
If you believe Turkey made it secretly, good morning, you have a lot to learn. We cant even plan a war in our secret meetings without getting it leaked. http://rt.com/news/turkey-block-youtube-twitter-649/ And guess what was that? Our secret operation against ISIS.
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Turkey has a huge border with Syria where probably even we as forum members can do smuggle some shit. Turkey cant control it. No country can easily control such a border considering its geographical status if you dont build walls all around.
And all of those somehow jihadist arming thing dates back to WESTERN support of anti-Esad groups, which Turkey was leading. BUT, allowed by US's plans. Can you tell me how did jihadist come to Turkey from EU, how the hell you let those thousands when we have CIA. You are starting to fuss when dickheads were about to come to the border and you dont question how the erection happen, how pants went down.
And whenever they say they have been in Turkish hospitals, i laugh so hard. We arrested many of them when we understood they were ISIS (later on we freed them in exchange of hostages) but they were not ISIS members at those times, they were mainly anti ESAD groups.
Germans have PKK HQ in Germany, dude, its all about media. Did germany shot them down? No. Did french ? http://www.todayszaman.com/latest-news_three-kurdish-women-including-pkk-co-founder-killed-in-paris_303609.html NO. Sorry but Western opposition media is not focusing what is next to them, but trying to blur your minds by creating fake enemies. And sorry, Germans and French governments cant be mad at us. They were roughly doing same thing till now, and Ocalan times. If America was not a true ally to Turkey, Pkk leader Ocalan would be still somewhere in Greece, Germany or Russia, please check how Ocalan got #rekt while some of eu countries trying to help him.
My advice to you, only follow official authorities, and read more history.
Turkey has agreed to let US and coalition forces use its bases, including a key installation within 100 miles of the Syrian border, for operations against Islamic State (Isis) militants in Syria and Iraq, US defence officials have said.
Turkey is trying to hide that US is using Incirlik to bomb ISIS, why? While you guys a continent away from those rats, we will be bitchslappy neighbor to them. [and we have already bunch of rats in our border as you can see, and smile about their cruelty without a shame ]
On October 27 2014 08:52 pls no ty wrote: So Kerry, America, Nato, Coalition vs your bullshit german channel video.
Well in fairness, a german video and the Vice President of the United States of America.
But seriously though; I don't think that Turkey straight-up armed the jihadists. I also think their focus on the Assad regime makes more sense than the US bullshit that contributed to the rise of Isil. But you guys need to stop being so vitriolically defensive-- it makes people otherwise sympathetic to your points less so. Heck, I'm an American. Do you have any idea how much misinformed bullshit gets spewed about my country? But it's unhelpful to go after people with personal attacks (calling them "filth" etc) about every person who says something you believe to be incorrect. Refute argument with argument.
Interesting BBC article about modern history of attempts to resurrect the Caliphate. I had no idea support for the idea was still so high. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29761018
This accuse is no different than saying we beheaded those innocent journalist or thousands, sorry, its so heavy for me, and needs to be proven. Mind that IF too. I really dont know what Vice President tried there, he did apologize afterwards.
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Caliphate thing, its so interesting. Nearly all of the latest Caliphates of Islam (ottoman ones) were sinful, committing haram by gay sex, drinking wine and so all. Why they want to ressurrect Caliphate while their ancestors did not even contribute to caliphs call to arms on WW1, when islam was about to thorn apart.. TOP KEK lies here.
On October 27 2014 08:52 pls no ty wrote: So Kerry, America, Nato, Coalition vs your bullshit german channel video.
Well in fairness, a german video and the Vice President of the United States of America.
But seriously though; I don't think that Turkey straight-up armed the jihadists. I also think their focus on the Assad regime makes more sense than the US bullshit that contributed to the rise of Isil. But you guys need to stop being so vitriolically defensive-- it makes people otherwise sympathetic to your points less so. Heck, I'm an American. Do you have any idea how much misinformed bullshit gets spewed about my country? But it's unhelpful to go after people with personal attacks (calling them "filth" etc) about every person who says something you believe to be incorrect. Refute argument with argument.
Interesting BBC article about modern history of attempts to resurrect the Caliphate. I had no idea support for the idea was still so high. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29761018
Nevermind him, i talked about Turkey too times in my 50 posts here but i'm still a "filthy turkey hater". The Vice President of the United Sates is just a hater. Reading history is exactly the reason why i think there is the chance that Turkey gave weapons and aid to the Jihadists, they have a big track record of killing minorities namely the Kurds. It also serves their agenda of weakening Syria and the Kurds, who will fill the power vacuum once ISL and other militant groups are ultimately destroyed ?
Turkish Leader Says U.S. Airdrop Aided ISIS Militants
ISTANBUL — President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey criticized on Wednesday an American airdrop of supplies and weapons near the Syrian town of Kobani, saying the United States had mistakenly aided the militants besieging the town instead of the Kurdish fighters defending it.
“What was done here was wrong,” Mr. Erdogan said at a news conference in Ankara, the capital. “Why? Because some of the weapons they dropped from the C-130s were seized by the Islamic State.”
Iraqi forces retake 4 villages from Islamic State militants after victory near Baghdad
Islamic State militants fail to seize a border post in Kobani on the Turkish frontier, were repulsed by Kurdish fighters
Kurdish Peshmerga forces retake northern Iraqi town of Zumar, several nearby villages from Islamic State insurgents, security sources say
Kobani Kurds repel Isis assault on strategically vital border post
Islamist militants tried overnight to seize a border post in Kobani, Syria, on the frontier with Turkey but were repulsed by Kurdish fighters, a monitoring group said.
Islamic State (Isis) fighters have been trying to capture the town, known as Ayn al-Arab in Arabic, for over a month, pressing their assault despite US-led air strikes on their positions and the deaths of hundreds of their fighters.
The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said on Sunday it had confirmed that 815 people had been killed in the fighting for the town over the past 40 days, more than half of them Isis fighters.
Idris Nassan, a local Kurdish official, said Islamic State fighters had shelled Kobani’s border gate on Saturday night but Kurdish fighters had pushed them back in the south and west.
“Of course they will try again tonight. Last night they brought new reinforcements, new supplies, and they are pushing hard,” he said.
On October 27 2014 09:44 pls no ty wrote: This accuse is no different than saying we beheaded those innocent journalist or thousands, sorry, its so heavy for me, and needs to be proven. Mind that IF too. I really dont know what Vice President tried there, he did apologize afterwards.
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Caliphate thing, its so interesting. Nearly all of the latest Caliphates of Islam (ottoman ones) were sinful, committing haram by gay sex, drinking wine and so all. Why they want to ressurrect Caliphate while their ancestors did not even contribute to caliphs call to arms on WW1, when islam was about to thorn apart.. TOP KEK lies here.
Maybe he was saying the truth ? I don't think we can take the comments of such an important head of state lightly.
He also apologized to the UAE and we all know they had an important role arming and giving aid to the rebels.
The White House said Sunday night that Biden called Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi and the deputy supreme commander of the UAE's armed forces.
"The Vice President thanked the Crown Prince for the UAE’s strong support for the international coalition fighting the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, as well as the UAE’s longstanding efforts as a stalwart fighter against violent extremism in Syria and throughout the region," the White House said.
"He clarified that his recent remarks regarding the early stages of the conflict in Syria were not meant to imply that the UAE had facilitated or supported ISIL, al-Qaeda, or other extremist groups in Syria. The Vice President noted the UAE’s strong steps in countering extremist messaging and financing and expressed gratitude for their participation in ongoing military operations against ISIL."
In a question-and-answer session with students at Harvard University last Thursday, Biden placed blame with US allies in the Middle East for the deteriorating situation in Syria's civil war and for the rise of extremist groups like ISIS.
He said countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates were so focused on ousting Syrian President Bashar Assad that they did not properly vet the opposition groups to which they sent money and weapons.
I think we are free to discuss those matter like we discussed the possible involvement of the United States regarding the supply of weapons to rebel groups without being labeled "filty haters". You should just calm down and present your point of view without resorting to insults.
You should at least try not to post [answer] something like this with a smile on it:
On October 27 2014 04:59 ImFromPortugal wrote: The Turks talk too much while sitting on the border watching the fight : )
after i post death of 3 turkish soldiers, 1 guard and 1 civilian.
If you cant prove direct arming -which is very different than Vice Presidents speech- yes you are just a hater, a hater who smiles when sees dead Turkish.
On October 27 2014 04:59 ImFromPortugal wrote: The Turks talk too much while sitting on the border watching the fight : )
after i post death of 3 turkish soldiers, 1 guard and 1 civilian.
If you cant prove direct arming -which is very different than Vice Presidents speech- yes you are just a hater, a hater who smiles when sees dead Turkish.
So should we just dismiss what the Vice President said ? Was he lying ? I have to prove what a head of state that has the intel and knows all the facts just said ?
My post wasn't even directed at the people that died you want to make it as i get any pleasure from the death of your or any other people. I even feel sorry for the IS guys (maybe i shouldn't) for the fact that most of them are brainwashed fools and are throwing their lives away for nothing. We are talking about the Syrian \ Iraqi crisis but all you post is about the internal political problems of Turkey. My post was aimed at that and at the fact that the Turkish are not doing anything against IS but just sitting at the border watching the show. Let the Kurds fight the good fight, you can go back to hate them later.
He said countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates were so focused on ousting Syrian President Bashar Assad that they did not properly vet the opposition groups to which they sent money and weapons.
You know that with that phrase he was implying that those countries gave weapons to the jihadists right ?
Even you said yourself a couple of pages back that there is a rumor that the top IS commanders are turkish intelligence.
MORE SETBACKS FOR ISIS IN IRAQ. Also in article: Iraqi Kurds to Kobani not combat troops, ISIS declare renewed operation in Anbar.
Iraqi security forces backed by Shi'ite militias gained some momentum at the weekend in their bid to loosen the grip of Islamic State, which controls large swathes of territory in the north and west of the major OPEC oil producer.
Iraqi government forces backed by Shi'ite militias retook four villages on Sunday near the Himreen mountains overlooking Islamic State supply lines some 100 km (60 miles) south of the oil city of Kirkuk, security officials said.
They also drove Islamic State militants out of Jurf al-Sakhar, just south of Baghdad, while Kurdish fighters regained control over the town of Zumar in the north.
Sunni insurgents have been moving fighters, weapons and supplies from western Iraq through secret desert tunnels to Jurf al-Sakhar, Iraqi officials have said. Now it appears government forces may be able to disrupt that network.
Roadside bombs and booby-trapped houses hampered their progress near the Himreen mountains, security officials. "We have decided to make slow advances. We hold the ground, set up watch towers, clear the explosives and build sand barriers to prevent the armed men from returning," army major Ahmed Nu'aman told Reuters by telephone.
In an Oct. 13 speech, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan lashed out at Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, asking, “What kind of religious leader [Khamenei] is this [who] says ‘[Syrian President Bashar al-] Assad is the only one challenging Israel’? Assad didn’t shoot a bullet at Israel. Assad killed 250,000, and you’re still supporting him, sending him money and arms.”
Ali Hashem writes that Erdogan’s remarks were a setback for what was considered to be a mild warming trend following the Turkish president’s visit to Tehran in January.
An Iranian official told Hashem, “The death of 250,000 in Syria was caused by nations that back the terrorists in Syria. Turkey is one of those states, and it has full responsibility for the situation today. Mr. Erdogan personally knows that Iran is innocent. Iran is helping a legitimate government restore control over its land and fight terrorists coming from around the globe to kill and terrorize civilians. ... This [speech] is another indication that Ankara isn’t really serious about cooperating to end the crisis in Syria. It’s such a shame that an essential country in the region is still not determined to fight terrorism, is hesitant to help its Kurdish neighbors in any way and at the same time is attacking those who warned of this end from the beginning.”
Despite Erdogan’s comments, and Iran’s off-the-record frustration with Turkey’s role in Syria, as reported by Hashem, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian took the diplomatic high road, saying on Oct. 24, “Iran welcomes any bilateral and regional cooperation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other Muslim countries in the region in a genuine and effective battle against terrorism and extremism.”
Other Erdogan-led controversy
Criticizing the supreme leader of Iran may be one thing, but Erdogan also could not resist taking a swipe at the United States.
Erdogan’s remark on Oct. 22 that “the mistake can now be seen,” after a stray pallet from a US airdrop to Syrian Kurdish forces fell into IS hands, was taken as yet another sign, as if yet another sign as needed, that the United States and Turkey differ on the urgency of defeating the Islamic State (IS).
Semih Idiz reports that Erdogan’s decision to allow Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga forces passage to Syria has “caused controversy in Turkey. The military in particular is said to be unhappy about a corridor being opened for the peshmerga, especially after the recent agreement reached in Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, between various Kurdish groups to join forces against IS. Sources close to the military told Al-Monitor that the Turkish armed forces continue to have a severe allergy to any military cooperation with Kurds, fearing that the PYD [Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party] and the PKK [Kurdistan Workers Party] will ultimately benefit from it. The idea of an autonomous Kurdish entity along Turkey’s long border with Syria continues to also be anathema to the Turkish military.”
Both the United States and Turkey consider the PKK a terrorist organization.
Amberin Zaman writes that Erdogan’s approach to the US and international appeals to support Syrian Kurdish forces in the battle against IS over Kobani has been unnecessarily costly for Turkey:
“Turkey could have led the effort to support anti-IS forces in Kobani by letting arms and fighters through its borders weeks ago. This would have bolstered the peace process between Turkey and its own Kurds, while averting the public relations disaster caused by images of Turkish tanks and soldiers looking on as the Syrian Kurds battled IS in Kobani, thereby reinforcing claims that 'Turkey supports IS.'”
“They don’t want the peshmerga to come to Kobane and dominate it,” he told reporters returning on his presidential plane after a visit to Estonia.
“The PYD thinks its game will be spoilt if the peshmerga come. Their scheme will be ruined,” he said.
He said that the peshmerga had been willing to send some 500 fighters as a first deployment but this had been reduced to 155 at the insistence of the PYD, who were even reluctant to accept this number.
Turkey last week unexpectedly announced that it will allow peshmerga fighters from the Kurdistan region of northern Iraq to cross its territory to join the fight for Kobane.
However the deployment has yet to take place and what relationship the peshmerga will have with the PYD on the ground remains to be seen.
Ankara has long accused the PYD of failing to distance itself from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and being the Syrian arm of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which has waged a three-decade insurgency for Kurdish self-rule in Turkey.
“The PYD is a terror group just the same as the PKK,” said Erdogan.
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