On June 18 2012 20:00 Alex-Berker wrote: Not only are you rude and constantly posting less than a couple sentences but you also insult me? Look here kid i dont think thats the right attitude in a community especially team liquid. In reference to your last post you say you find it ironic how i believe in my friends other than social media. Well my friends are from syria and have lived in syria and will be moving back to syria. They are first hand sources. The social media comes from most of the time corrupt news networks not to mention the internet is far from a first hand source. Anyone can write anything on the internet which is also why you insult me here. The only thing i want to make a point of is not to be fanboying and applauding the syrian rebels. Take a look at both sides of the argument and then think.
P.S. I wouldnt be surprised if you believe the media they make a very clear (but in some cases untrue) picture.
Yes, and where do they get their news from? Also you need to remeber that this is not Asad Vs syria but a ethnic clash, so you should check your friends backgrounds also before you take what they say for fact.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
I think
That you are
A fucking prick.
Not only are you rude and constantly posting less than a couple sentences but you also insult me? Look here kid i dont think thats the right attitude in a community especially team liquid. In reference to your last post you say you find it ironic how i believe in my friends other than social media. Well my friends are from syria and have lived in syria and will be moving back to syria. They are first hand sources. The social media comes from most of the time corrupt news networks not to mention the internet is far from a first hand source. Anyone can write anything on the internet which is also why you insult me here. The only thing i want to make a point of is not to be fanboying and applauding the syrian rebels. Take a look at both sides of the argument and then think.
P.S. I wouldnt be surprised if you believe the media they make a very clear (but in some cases untrue) picture.
Edit: Thank you mod!
Your actually a vile apologist for mass murderers. Go take your friends and yourself and die in a fire, you fucking asshole. Going to enjoy when people like you and Assad get the Gaddafi justice of a bullet in the head you cock.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
I think
That you are
A fucking prick.
Not only are you rude and constantly posting less than a couple sentences but you also insult me? Look here kid i dont think thats the right attitude in a community especially team liquid. In reference to your last post you say you find it ironic how i believe in my friends other than social media. Well my friends are from syria and have lived in syria and will be moving back to syria. They are first hand sources. The social media comes from most of the time corrupt news networks not to mention the internet is far from a first hand source. Anyone can write anything on the internet which is also why you insult me here. The only thing i want to make a point of is not to be fanboying and applauding the syrian rebels. Take a look at both sides of the argument and then think.
P.S. I wouldnt be surprised if you believe the media they make a very clear (but in some cases untrue) picture.
Edit: Thank you mod!
Your actually a vile apologist for mass murderers. Go take your friends and yourself and die in a fire, you fucking asshole. Going to enjoy when people like you and Assad get the Gaddafi justice of a bullet in the head you cock.
You where just warned and you wanna do this? Ill refrain from using insults but it is very apparent someone has rage issues. I never said it was right. No matter what side you are on people are dying and thats not right. In your own argument your using the death of gaddafi which is ironic since you hate murder. As for the comment above this quote, My friends are neutral. They go to an expensive well organised international university and are atheist. Out of all my friends they are the most neutral in every single dispute i have ever heard of. Im not just saying this to make you believe me. I wish we could just discuss a non biased outcome to this syrian unrest. Edit: Death threats are a big no-no i have been told.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
I think
That you are
A fucking prick.
Not only are you rude and constantly posting less than a couple sentences but you also insult me? Look here kid i dont think thats the right attitude in a community especially team liquid. In reference to your last post you say you find it ironic how i believe in my friends other than social media. Well my friends are from syria and have lived in syria and will be moving back to syria. They are first hand sources. The social media comes from most of the time corrupt news networks not to mention the internet is far from a first hand source. Anyone can write anything on the internet which is also why you insult me here. The only thing i want to make a point of is not to be fanboying and applauding the syrian rebels. Take a look at both sides of the argument and then think.
P.S. I wouldnt be surprised if you believe the media they make a very clear (but in some cases untrue) picture.
Edit: Thank you mod!
Your actually a vile apologist for mass murderers. Go take your friends and yourself and die in a fire, you fucking asshole. Going to enjoy when people like you and Assad get the Gaddafi justice of a bullet in the head you cock.
You where just warned and you wanna do this? Ill refrain from using insults but it is very apparent someone has rage issues. I never said it was right. No matter what side you are on people are dying and thats not right. In your own argument your using the death of gaddafi which is ironic since you hate murder. As for the comment above this quote, My friends are neutral. They go to an expensive well organised international university and are atheist. Out of all my friends they are the most neutral in every single dispute i have ever heard of. Im not just saying this to make you believe me. I wish we could just discuss a non biased outcome to this syrian unrest.
Atheist doesn't mean they dont belong to a certain ethnic group and the fact they go to a expensive uni only weakens this as it means they are more likely to belong to the pro Assad elite. Also i hope you read the article i linked in the last page about the "shabiha" as here they are covered to great extent but not so on a international level and are thought to be the main people doing the up close killing.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
I think
That you are
A fucking prick.
Not only are you rude and constantly posting less than a couple sentences but you also insult me? Look here kid i dont think thats the right attitude in a community especially team liquid. In reference to your last post you say you find it ironic how i believe in my friends other than social media. Well my friends are from syria and have lived in syria and will be moving back to syria. They are first hand sources. The social media comes from most of the time corrupt news networks not to mention the internet is far from a first hand source. Anyone can write anything on the internet which is also why you insult me here. The only thing i want to make a point of is not to be fanboying and applauding the syrian rebels. Take a look at both sides of the argument and then think.
P.S. I wouldnt be surprised if you believe the media they make a very clear (but in some cases untrue) picture.
Edit: Thank you mod!
Your actually a vile apologist for mass murderers. Go take your friends and yourself and die in a fire, you fucking asshole. Going to enjoy when people like you and Assad get the Gaddafi justice of a bullet in the head you cock.
You where just warned and you wanna do this? Ill refrain from using insults but it is very apparent someone has rage issues. I never said it was right. No matter what side you are on people are dying and thats not right. In your own argument your using the death of gaddafi which is ironic since you hate murder. As for the comment above this quote, My friends are neutral. They go to an expensive well organised international university and are atheist. Out of all my friends they are the most neutral in every single dispute i have ever heard of. Im not just saying this to make you believe me. I wish we could just discuss a non biased outcome to this syrian unrest.
Atheist doesn't mean they dont belong to a certain ethnic group and the fact they go to a expensive uni only weakens this as it means they are more likely to belong to the pro Assad elite. Also i hope you read the article i linked in the last page about the "shabiha" as here they are covered to great extent but not so on a international level and are thought to be the main people doing the up close killing.
I have seen the article you linked. I take everything cautiosly but i did some background check on the reporter and he is very trustworthy. In any case i do suggest everyone in this thread read that article but what are the implications of this? Will the UN see the shabiha sort of like the us sees al qaeda and intervene?
Edit: They are syrian by birth. Mom is syrian Dad is from france. The point is just to not rely on media 100%
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
Wait, what benefit would the so called terrorists gain by massacring the population? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who get their news from RT.com or what? Are you aware of sectarian division there is in Syria or are you blatantly talking from your, excuse me, arse?
Is this Syrian army or terrorists cosplaying as Syrian army? Very NSFW + Show Spoiler +
Or maybe terrorists mysteriously have heavy artillery? + Show Spoiler +
And all of this is nothing new for the Assad family. They massacred tens of thousands in Hama in 1982. LINK
In short Assad belongs to the Alawites (and offshoot of Shia Islam) which comprise of about 10 percent of the whole population. They occupy all the high positions within governments and are controlling the country which is mainly Sunni. The sectarian division gains Assad a lot of things. For example fervent support from his clan, excuse to continue with army interventions and the old 'I told ya, if I go there will be chaos'. Anyone who has even little brain should reconsider the beginning of the revolution, what happened then? People wanted some reforms, they didn't ask for Bashar to leave nor anything. Moreover for the first few months the opposition was opposed to any military intervention and wanted to resolve things peacefully. But as they saw that Assad isn't going to compromise they started to arm themselves. Funny that these terrorists appeared just after Assad's army had killed a few hundreds protesters. And there are still people who would rather live in their own fantasy world...
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
Wait, what benefit would the so called terrorists gain by massacring the population? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who get their news from RT.com or what? Are you aware of sectarian division there is in Syria or are you blatantly talking from your, excuse me, arse?
Is this Syrian army or terrorists cosplaying as Syrian army? Very NSFW + Show Spoiler +
And all of this is nothing new for the Assad family. They massacred tens of thousands in Hama in 1982. LINK
In short Assad belongs to the Alawites (and offshoot of Shia Islam) which comprise of about 10 percent of the whole population. They occupy all the high positions within governments and are controlling the country which is mainly Sunni. The sectarian division gains Assad a lot of things. For example fervent support from his clan, excuse to continue with army interventions and the old 'I told ya, if I go there will be chaos'. Anyone who has even little brain should reconsider the beginning of the revolution, what happened then? People wanted some reforms, they didn't ask for Bashar to leave nor anything. Moreover for the first few months the opposition was opposed to any military intervention and wanted to resolve things peacefully. But as they saw that Assad isn't going to compromise they started to arm themselves. Funny that these terrorists appeared just after Assad's army had killed a few hundreds protesters. And there are still people who would rather live in their own fantasy world...
I understand where youre comming from all im asking you to do is to not be so one sided! Maybe the terrorists have heavy artillery maybe they are cosplaying. The massacre in Harma is a massacre regardless of who did the killing. This got way out of hand can we just debate on the ideal solution to the current problems? I am very interested to see what your ideal outcome would be. For me it would still be to overthrow assad but not to place someone from the free syrain army there.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
Wait, what benefit would the so called terrorists gain by massacring the population? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who get their news from RT.com or what? Are you aware of sectarian division there is in Syria or are you blatantly talking from your, excuse me, arse?
Is this Syrian army or terrorists cosplaying as Syrian army? Very NSFW + Show Spoiler +
And all of this is nothing new for the Assad family. They massacred tens of thousands in Hama in 1982. LINK
In short Assad belongs to the Alawites (and offshoot of Shia Islam) which comprise of about 10 percent of the whole population. They occupy all the high positions within governments and are controlling the country which is mainly Sunni. The sectarian division gains Assad a lot of things. For example fervent support from his clan, excuse to continue with army interventions and the old 'I told ya, if I go there will be chaos'. Anyone who has even little brain should reconsider the beginning of the revolution, what happened then? People wanted some reforms, they didn't ask for Bashar to leave nor anything. Moreover for the first few months the opposition was opposed to any military intervention and wanted to resolve things peacefully. But as they saw that Assad isn't going to compromise they started to arm themselves. Funny that these terrorists appeared just after Assad's army had killed a few hundreds protesters. And there are still people who would rather live in their own fantasy world...
I understand where youre comming from all im asking you to do is to not be so one sided! Maybe the terrorists have heavy artillery maybe they are cosplaying. The massacre in Harma is a massacre regardless of who did the killing. This got way out of hand can we just debate on the ideal solution to the current problems? I am very interested to see what your ideal outcome would be. For me it would still be to overthrow assad but not to place someone from the free syrain army there.
Well, anyone who still believes there is a peaceful solution is deluding himself. Assad hasn't respected anything he said he would and is clearly playing his game, backed up by Russia. Free Syrian Army are Syrians, so if you wouldn't like them to come in power, who should? I see only one solution and that is arming and helping Free Syrian Army. Any military intervention from the outside, could trigger even worse things because Russia has a base in Syria.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
Wait, what benefit would the so called terrorists gain by massacring the population? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who get their news from RT.com or what? Are you aware of sectarian division there is in Syria or are you blatantly talking from your, excuse me, arse?
Is this Syrian army or terrorists cosplaying as Syrian army? Very NSFW + Show Spoiler +
And all of this is nothing new for the Assad family. They massacred tens of thousands in Hama in 1982. LINK
In short Assad belongs to the Alawites (and offshoot of Shia Islam) which comprise of about 10 percent of the whole population. They occupy all the high positions within governments and are controlling the country which is mainly Sunni. The sectarian division gains Assad a lot of things. For example fervent support from his clan, excuse to continue with army interventions and the old 'I told ya, if I go there will be chaos'. Anyone who has even little brain should reconsider the beginning of the revolution, what happened then? People wanted some reforms, they didn't ask for Bashar to leave nor anything. Moreover for the first few months the opposition was opposed to any military intervention and wanted to resolve things peacefully. But as they saw that Assad isn't going to compromise they started to arm themselves. Funny that these terrorists appeared just after Assad's army had killed a few hundreds protesters. And there are still people who would rather live in their own fantasy world...
I understand where youre comming from all im asking you to do is to not be so one sided! Maybe the terrorists have heavy artillery maybe they are cosplaying. The massacre in Harma is a massacre regardless of who did the killing. This got way out of hand can we just debate on the ideal solution to the current problems? I am very interested to see what your ideal outcome would be. For me it would still be to overthrow assad but not to place someone from the free syrain army there.
Well, anyone who still believes there is a peaceful solution is deluding himself. Assad hasn't respected anything he said he would and is clearly playing his game, backed up by Russia. Free Syrian Army are Syrians, so if you wouldn't like them to come in power, who should? I see only one solution and that is arming and helping Free Syrian Army. Any military intervention from the outside, could trigger even worse things because Russia has a base in Syria.
In your oppinion is it completely out of the question to try to get russias attention and make them intervene with syria? Surely assad would fear for the loss of his alliance so he might give in to the other countries.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
I think
That you are
A fucking prick.
Not only are you rude and constantly posting less than a couple sentences but you also insult me? Look here kid i dont think thats the right attitude in a community especially team liquid. In reference to your last post you say you find it ironic how i believe in my friends other than social media. Well my friends are from syria and have lived in syria and will be moving back to syria. They are first hand sources. The social media comes from most of the time corrupt news networks not to mention the internet is far from a first hand source. Anyone can write anything on the internet which is also why you insult me here. The only thing i want to make a point of is not to be fanboying and applauding the syrian rebels. Take a look at both sides of the argument and then think.
P.S. I wouldnt be surprised if you believe the media they make a very clear (but in some cases untrue) picture.
Edit: Thank you mod!
Your actually a vile apologist for mass murderers. Go take your friends and yourself and die in a fire, you fucking asshole. Going to enjoy when people like you and Assad get the Gaddafi justice of a bullet in the head you cock.
You where just warned and you wanna do this? Ill refrain from using insults but it is very apparent someone has rage issues. I never said it was right. No matter what side you are on people are dying and thats not right. In your own argument your using the death of gaddafi which is ironic since you hate murder. As for the comment above this quote, My friends are neutral. They go to an expensive well organised international university and are atheist. Out of all my friends they are the most neutral in every single dispute i have ever heard of. Im not just saying this to make you believe me. I wish we could just discuss a non biased outcome to this syrian unrest.
Atheist doesn't mean they dont belong to a certain ethnic group and the fact they go to a expensive uni only weakens this as it means they are more likely to belong to the pro Assad elite. Also i hope you read the article i linked in the last page about the "shabiha" as here they are covered to great extent but not so on a international level and are thought to be the main people doing the up close killing.
I have seen the article you linked. I take everything cautiosly but i did some background check on the reporter and he is very trustworthy. In any case i do suggest everyone in this thread read that article but what are the implications of this? Will the UN see the shabiha sort of like the us sees al qaeda and intervene?
Edit: They are syrian by birth. Mom is syrian Dad is from france. The point is just to not rely on media 100%
The Shabiha are a crime organization that Assad is using, he basically tells them to "deal with it" and they do. So you cant really have the UN intervene as its not doable but what it basically shows is just because they are not wearing uniforms dosnt make them not Assads forces and they he will use any means needed to hold on to power.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
Wait, what benefit would the so called terrorists gain by massacring the population? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who get their news from RT.com or what? Are you aware of sectarian division there is in Syria or are you blatantly talking from your, excuse me, arse?
Is this Syrian army or terrorists cosplaying as Syrian army? Very NSFW + Show Spoiler +
And all of this is nothing new for the Assad family. They massacred tens of thousands in Hama in 1982. LINK
In short Assad belongs to the Alawites (and offshoot of Shia Islam) which comprise of about 10 percent of the whole population. They occupy all the high positions within governments and are controlling the country which is mainly Sunni. The sectarian division gains Assad a lot of things. For example fervent support from his clan, excuse to continue with army interventions and the old 'I told ya, if I go there will be chaos'. Anyone who has even little brain should reconsider the beginning of the revolution, what happened then? People wanted some reforms, they didn't ask for Bashar to leave nor anything. Moreover for the first few months the opposition was opposed to any military intervention and wanted to resolve things peacefully. But as they saw that Assad isn't going to compromise they started to arm themselves. Funny that these terrorists appeared just after Assad's army had killed a few hundreds protesters. And there are still people who would rather live in their own fantasy world...
I understand where youre comming from all im asking you to do is to not be so one sided! Maybe the terrorists have heavy artillery maybe they are cosplaying. The massacre in Harma is a massacre regardless of who did the killing. This got way out of hand can we just debate on the ideal solution to the current problems? I am very interested to see what your ideal outcome would be. For me it would still be to overthrow assad but not to place someone from the free syrain army there.
Well, anyone who still believes there is a peaceful solution is deluding himself. Assad hasn't respected anything he said he would and is clearly playing his game, backed up by Russia. Free Syrian Army are Syrians, so if you wouldn't like them to come in power, who should? I see only one solution and that is arming and helping Free Syrian Army. Any military intervention from the outside, could trigger even worse things because Russia has a base in Syria.
In your oppinion is it completely out of the question to try to get russias attention and make them intervene with syria? Surely assad would fear for the loss of his alliance so he might give in to the other countries.
The russains are to deep to support anyone but assad at this point. you had crowds chanting "death to russia" so they are all or nothing by now.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
Wait, what benefit would the so called terrorists gain by massacring the population? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who get their news from RT.com or what? Are you aware of sectarian division there is in Syria or are you blatantly talking from your, excuse me, arse?
Is this Syrian army or terrorists cosplaying as Syrian army? Very NSFW + Show Spoiler +
And all of this is nothing new for the Assad family. They massacred tens of thousands in Hama in 1982. LINK
In short Assad belongs to the Alawites (and offshoot of Shia Islam) which comprise of about 10 percent of the whole population. They occupy all the high positions within governments and are controlling the country which is mainly Sunni. The sectarian division gains Assad a lot of things. For example fervent support from his clan, excuse to continue with army interventions and the old 'I told ya, if I go there will be chaos'. Anyone who has even little brain should reconsider the beginning of the revolution, what happened then? People wanted some reforms, they didn't ask for Bashar to leave nor anything. Moreover for the first few months the opposition was opposed to any military intervention and wanted to resolve things peacefully. But as they saw that Assad isn't going to compromise they started to arm themselves. Funny that these terrorists appeared just after Assad's army had killed a few hundreds protesters. And there are still people who would rather live in their own fantasy world...
I understand where youre comming from all im asking you to do is to not be so one sided! Maybe the terrorists have heavy artillery maybe they are cosplaying. The massacre in Harma is a massacre regardless of who did the killing. This got way out of hand can we just debate on the ideal solution to the current problems? I am very interested to see what your ideal outcome would be. For me it would still be to overthrow assad but not to place someone from the free syrain army there.
Well, anyone who still believes there is a peaceful solution is deluding himself. Assad hasn't respected anything he said he would and is clearly playing his game, backed up by Russia. Free Syrian Army are Syrians, so if you wouldn't like them to come in power, who should? I see only one solution and that is arming and helping Free Syrian Army. Any military intervention from the outside, could trigger even worse things because Russia has a base in Syria.
In your oppinion is it completely out of the question to try to get russias attention and make them intervene with syria? Surely assad would fear for the loss of his alliance so he might give in to the other countries.
The russains are to deep to support anyone but assad at this point. you had crowds chanting "death to russia" so they are all or nothing by now.
There is no black and white here, there are massacres occuring on both sides.
The west continues to spread "democracy" and fight the never ending war on terrorism, yet arms al-Qaeda to de-stabilize countries like Libya and Syria. If any of us armed al-Qaeda, we'd be rotting in Guantanamo Bay for the rest of our lives.. For some reason, its okay for the government to do it in the name of freedom.
Ah, I forgot... These aren't terrorists anymore.. We call them freedom fighters when it's convenient. One day we're hunting them, the next we're arming and transporting them.
Check out what's happening in Libya now:
But, at least they are "free", right?
I truly feel for the Syrian people.. there are so many atrocities being committed on both sides that each sect will harbour feelings of revenge and vengeance for many years to come.
On June 18 2012 06:54 xM(Z wrote: there is no point for Assad to kill women and children. none what so ever; especially now when everyone is watching. he has the power, the armed intervention was vetoed and he outguns the rebels. all he has to do now is just wait them out. the only ones that could win something from those massacres are the rebels.
Exactly. The rest of you who dont like my quote are ignorant as hell. İ have first hand sources that tell me what is going on. There was a photo from aljazeera of a us soldier pointing a gun at a detained persons mouth. The photo was photoshoped to look like a water canister. İ dont ask to belive my POV just dont listen to the media or the internet as anyone can say anything.
Wait, what benefit would the so called terrorists gain by massacring the population? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who get their news from RT.com or what? Are you aware of sectarian division there is in Syria or are you blatantly talking from your, excuse me, arse?
Is this Syrian army or terrorists cosplaying as Syrian army? Very NSFW + Show Spoiler +
And all of this is nothing new for the Assad family. They massacred tens of thousands in Hama in 1982. LINK
In short Assad belongs to the Alawites (and offshoot of Shia Islam) which comprise of about 10 percent of the whole population. They occupy all the high positions within governments and are controlling the country which is mainly Sunni. The sectarian division gains Assad a lot of things. For example fervent support from his clan, excuse to continue with army interventions and the old 'I told ya, if I go there will be chaos'. Anyone who has even little brain should reconsider the beginning of the revolution, what happened then? People wanted some reforms, they didn't ask for Bashar to leave nor anything. Moreover for the first few months the opposition was opposed to any military intervention and wanted to resolve things peacefully. But as they saw that Assad isn't going to compromise they started to arm themselves. Funny that these terrorists appeared just after Assad's army had killed a few hundreds protesters. And there are still people who would rather live in their own fantasy world...
I understand where youre comming from all im asking you to do is to not be so one sided! Maybe the terrorists have heavy artillery maybe they are cosplaying. The massacre in Harma is a massacre regardless of who did the killing. This got way out of hand can we just debate on the ideal solution to the current problems? I am very interested to see what your ideal outcome would be. For me it would still be to overthrow assad but not to place someone from the free syrain army there.
Well, anyone who still believes there is a peaceful solution is deluding himself. Assad hasn't respected anything he said he would and is clearly playing his game, backed up by Russia. Free Syrian Army are Syrians, so if you wouldn't like them to come in power, who should? I see only one solution and that is arming and helping Free Syrian Army. Any military intervention from the outside, could trigger even worse things because Russia has a base in Syria.
For one thing, the Free Syrian Army is calling for a NATO intervention. That is, they want an outside power to put them in charge of their home country. Their government would be illegitimate, and the process of putting them in power would probably lead to at least as many civilian deaths as Assad can be accountable for. We saw a similar situation with the fall of Gadaffi, where the rebel groups that took power after were responsible for violence and ethnical cleansing against the civilian population and where the war caused maybe 10 times as many deaths as Gadaffi had caused. The Free Syrian Army is far from representative of the entire opposition against Assad. There are many groupings. For instance the central organizing committees who call for a non-violent approach that does not involve outside intervention. Arming the Free Syrian Army would probably lead to an out-drawn civil war with countless of deaths. A majority of the Syrian people actually now support Assad even though they may be opposed to him long-term. Much of this support may be due to the fact that a civil war would be much much worse and that they don't trust the Free Syrian Army or the rest of the armed opposition.
In any case, we do not as outsiders have the right to decide who is going to be the Syrian government. But the least we can do to help is to not introduce more weapons into the conflict or start bombing. That would escalate the violence tenfold.
Syrian forces pound cities; Russia readies marines (Reuters) - Syrian security forces pounded opposition areas across the country on Monday and at least 79 people were killed in violence that has escalated since international observers suspended their mission, activists said. A Russian naval source said Moscow was preparing to send marines to Syria in the event it needed to protect personnel and remove equipment from its naval facility in Syria's Mediterranean port of Tartous, according to the Interfax news agency. Relations between Washington and Moscow have frayed after a week of Cold War-style recriminations over Syria.
This isn't new, they've already done that a couple of times and since they have a millitary base with personnel there it's their duty to defend it just in case (doubt the opposing army would be that dumb as to attack a russian millitary base but you never know).
Russia backing Syria doesn't shock me. Russia has its interests, everyone does. US backed at least 5 dictators in the Cold War (probably more, but 5 come to my mind right now), Russia backed a few of its own, life goes on.
I see no long-term solution for any side. It's too late for reconciliation, Syria has fallen.
Like Henry Kissinger said, it's a shame both sides can't lose.
The truly liberal factions in Arab countries are so disorganized and small compared to the pro-government and Islamist factions that it isn't realistic to imagine that they could emerge victorious... do you want a semi-secular dictatorship or a theocracy, neither choice is good.
On June 19 2012 06:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Like Henry Kissinger said, it's a shame both sides can't lose.
The truly liberal factions in Arab countries are so disorganized and small compared to the pro-government and Islamist factions that it isn't realistic to imagine that they could emerge victorious... do you want a semi-secular dictatorship or a theocracy, neither choice is good.
Semi-secular dictatorship isn't too bad if done right. Gaddafi wasn't too bad in his early years if you were a Libyan. Cheap gas, free electricity (I've seen talks about all the different benefits under Gaddafi, are at least some of those true? I know gas was really at 14 cents a gallon though, OPEC )
Russia thinks it's one as well. Given that it's been 20 years since state-mandated atheism, religion has come out a lot in that country. And Putin is virtually becoming a dictator, going for 12 + 4 years in power now with pretty good support. I was born and I've lived there recently, it doesn't seem so bad tbh.
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