Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 19

I'm not expert on this one but I believe you can't just shoot down a plane because of a 1km breach. I believe you're supposed to 1) contact plane 2) contact other country 3) launch emergency fighter planes and force it down 4) shoot it's wings from behind as last resort.

On June 23 2012 15:48 DannyJ wrote:


Haha the aerial combat equivalent of the internet concept that cops should always just shoot people in the leg.

On June 23 2012 15:53 Art.FeeL wrote:
Syria definitely overreacted, but why is a Turkish plane invading their air space in the first place?

On June 23 2012 18:27 Choros wrote:
NATO have been trying to get Turkey to invade Syria for more than a year now so this is a part of that. The Turks have been harboring training camps for terrorists who attack Syria and this has been the case for a long time (i.e before the revolution even began). All in all the Syrians are mad at the turks for harboring the terrorist camps and certain portions of the Turkish establishment are looking to do NATO's bigging and suck themselves into a war with Syria. Ofcourse there are also more sane types who are trying to prevent a war from breaking out.

You cannot go after Iran without going after Syria. The problem is that Israel cannot be expected to defeat Syria easily (or at all) on their own without the Turks opening up a second front in the north allowing for Syria to be split and crushed. The NATO invasion plan for Syria is the reason why Russia has been arming Syria to the hilt with AA and Anti-Ship and Anti-Armour weapons specifically. Virtually no of the arms given to Syria by Russia have any use against people but rather to hold off NATO invasion forces.

Ironically Turkey is more likely to collapse of any major middle eastern country due to kurdish seperatism, political factionalism (between secularists, militarists and islamists) and any Iranian response against the Turks over them attacking Syria could prove lethal for the turk ending its existence as a unified country. Turkey has been noted as playing both sides of the game by doing the Gaza flotilla stunt on one hand while allowing terrorist camps to attack Syria at the same time.

Rumour has it that Russia is preparing a vdv paratrooper division an infantry division plus a comandro brigade for deployment to Syria in a move which resembles support for the Serbians in the late 90's (i.e nuclear deterent along with strategically significant conventional forces). Such forces are significant against a country like Israel who can have as few as 2 1st grade divisions avaliable to deploy into a wide section of front at any given time. In 2006 Israel could muster barely 20,000 1st grade troops to advance into lebanon and was forced to bring in tens of thousands of poor quality reserves leading to defeat.

My advice would be to not start world war three. Furthermore these nations should stop attacking Syria with terrorists and fix their economies instead.

For more info look at www.tarpley.net.

Turkey has said that Syria shot down its military aircraft in international airspace and declared it would formally consult with NATO allies on a reaction.

Turkey's assertion came as reports said search teams had located the wreckage in Syrian waters at a depth of 1,300 metres. Turkish news channels reported this on Sunday without citing a source, after the foreign minister earlier had said search and rescue teams were still searching for the two missing pilots.

He said the search operations were in co-ordination with the Syrians, but could not be described as a "joint" operation.

The foreign minister said that the plane had been clearly marked as Turkish and said he did not agree with Syria's earlier statement it had not known the plane belonged to Ankara.

Speaking on state-run TRT television, Ahmet Davutoglu said the F4 fighter plane "was hit when it was a distance of 13 miles from the Syrian coast".

The plane entered Syrian airspace on Friday, but quickly left when warned, Davutoglu said.

On June 24 2012 07:56 Fulla wrote:
Here is proof of NATO hired soldiers killing unarmed civilians, which later gets blamed on the Syria Government.

Warning this video is Extremely graphic.

http://disquietreservations.blogspot.ca/2012/06/natos-salafist-terrorists-in-syria-blow.html

Turkey's cabinet has wrapped up a seven-hour meeting over the downing of a Turkish jet by Syrian forces, just hours before NATO was due to meet to discuss the incident.

After the meeting ended on Monday night, Bulent Arinc, the deputy prime minister, said that "all options were on the table" for Turkey's response.

"Syria shot down our unarmed jet in a cold-blooded and hostile way in international airspace," he said. "International law is on our side."

Arinc also said that a second Turkish plane came under fire while searching for the jet that was shot down. But he stressed that Ankara "does not intend to make war with anybody".

"One of our CASA planes took off with a rescue team. Unfortunately, shots from the ground targeted our plane. Our foreign ministry and our military command notified Syrian authorities and this harassment ceased immediately," Arinc said.

The Syrian government has disputed Turkey's claim that the downed jet was in international airspace.

Jihad Makdissi, foreign ministry spokesman, said earlier on Monday that "the Turkish warplane violated Syrian airspace, and in turn Syrian air defences fired back and the plane crashed inside Syrian territorial waters".

"What happened is a gross violation of Syrian sovereignty," he said.

On June 25 2012 03:19 Derez wrote:

Explain to me how that video proves anything you said. I see no evidence of any of the claims you make in your first sentence.

The amount of conspiracy theories and the amount of apologies for assad in this thread is despicable. You're defending a madman that by all reasonable accounts (from NGO's, IGO's, news organizations, you name it) is using heavy artillery and attack helicopters to kill civilians and rebels indiscriminately. You people complain about the 'MSM' and then resort to using completely unsourced youtube videos that could be interpreted in any way possible as 'evidence' for the worldview you've decided upon beforehand. Get a grip.

On June 26 2012 10:04 0mar wrote:



Dude, when Saddam did the same shit in the '80s, we shook his fucking hand and gave him great weapon deals. Our dictators get a free pass while dictators not aligned to our interests are "the devil." It's the same shit that happened in the Cold War. The US overthrew close to a dozen democracies in South America, trained death squads to root out "insurgents and communists" and turned a blind eye when these same death squads were wiping out entire families all because we had to "create a firewall against communism." The same shit is happening in Syria right now. We need to overthrow Assad because this removes a major enemy against Israel, isolates Russia even further and removes a key ally for Iran. It has nothing to do with civilians being shot. Geopolitics is chess, not checkers.

The post quoted was simply pointing out that there are two sides to every story. The fact is that NATO has significant interests in overthrowing Assad and flying these false flag operations is not unknown to NATO.

On June 26 2012 10:04 0mar wrote:



Dude, when Saddam did the same shit in the '80s, we shook his fucking hand and gave him great weapon deals. Our dictators get a free pass while dictators not aligned to our interests are "the devil." It's the same shit that happened in the Cold War. The US overthrew close to a dozen democracies in South America, trained death squads to root out "insurgents and communists" and turned a blind eye when these same death squads were wiping out entire families all because we had to "create a firewall against communism." The same shit is happening in Syria right now. We need to overthrow Assad because this removes a major enemy against Israel, isolates Russia even further and removes a key ally for Iran. It has nothing to do with civilians being shot. Geopolitics is chess, not checkers.

The post quoted was simply pointing out that there are two sides to every story. The fact is that NATO has significant interests in overthrowing Assad and flying these false flag operations is not unknown to NATO.

On June 23 2012 15:57 Tiax;mous wrote:


yea pretty much, but I heard that from an ex air force member strategist on TV last night and thought worth sharing. And of course I'm not expecting that much "correctness" but still shooting down a neighbour's plane for 1 km breach is an extreme reaction. That's what I'm saying



well no one knows yet but the first ever news on this one was from turkish military saying they lost radar contact and communication with plane. So as much as it sounds naive, it's possible that the plane was having technical issues. that's why you try to contact and/or force it down before launching missiles.

On June 26 2012 20:20 ibo422 wrote:
NATO really wants to invade Syria.. the shit that happened in Iraq is now happening to Syria.. and Turkey is once again the bitch of Westerns, doing w/e it gets told to. Sad shit..

On June 26 2012 20:26 Tiax;mous wrote:


because Turkey totally did whatever NATO told in Iraq conflict right?