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On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it.
Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head?
You should be ashamed.
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On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it.
You know executing prisoners is a war crime?
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On September 04 2013 14:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Yeah that won't end well.
At least these peoples wont have their throats sawn of by the syrian rebels. They are safe here in Sweden whereas in Syria a bloodbath awaits.
And all you can say is "that won't end well", what a horrible thing to utter.
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On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head? You should be ashamed.
Don't confuse country with government.
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On September 05 2013 22:13 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head? You should be ashamed. Don't confuse country with government.
Stop reading propaganda and understand that there are many Syrians who support Assad, only yesterday Assad-supporters went out in numbers in Stockholm while Obama was there, the people demonstrated their support to Assad.
People have gotten a completely false view on the situation among the Syrian people.
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On September 05 2013 22:13 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head? You should be ashamed. Don't confuse country with government.
http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/
70% of all Syrians support Assad, 20% are neutral and 10% support the rebels. I think you can say that the ones fighting for Assad are fighting for Syria.
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On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it.
People like you are the reason why there are nearly no smart people left in this thread. Last 30 pages have been a total mess.
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On September 05 2013 22:28 Yuljan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:13 heliusx wrote:On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head? You should be ashamed. Don't confuse country with government. http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/ 70% of all Syrians support Assad, 20% are neutral and 10% support the rebels. I think you can say that the ones fighting for Assad are fighting for Syria.
Assad is clearly a douche-bag imo but he is the best Arab leader ever and he is the most democratic (which actually is kind of ironic).
Assad needs to step down but he cannot leave the country to the jihad extremest murderers. Hopefully the Syrian people can oust these rebels from their borders and then keep going with their modernizations.
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On September 05 2013 22:28 Yuljan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:13 heliusx wrote:On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head? You should be ashamed. Don't confuse country with government. http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/ 70% of all Syrians support Assad, 20% are neutral and 10% support the rebels. I think you can say that the ones fighting for Assad are fighting for Syria.
Clearly a bullshit website that anyone with half a brain could spot. "paralegals: hammer, rude, nasty ,hussein, tong.". The text at the bottom should set off an alarm for any person but not you. You post that trash over and over again, its pathetic. Of course this type of trash is created just for people like you. Lap it up, there are plenty of people willing to tell you what to think.
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On September 05 2013 20:21 Rosie wrote:
If the U.S. attack on Syria without UN approval, then Russia will fulfill its part of the contract. The troops of al-Assad was not found sarin in service, so the U.S. does not have the authority to attack Syria.
How does this lead to a precedent for WW3?
What contracts do you speak of? The Russian govt. has never stated that they would back Syria with its armed forces if it was attacked. The Navy's Tartus base is only there because the Syrian govt. (at the time) gave it to the Russians in exchange for removing the debts Syria owed; the base and its ships are not there to defend Syria nor would they be used to fight off Western intervention.
Also Putin could care less about whether Assad stays or falls; all that matters is finishing up the arms shipments to Syria. Once they're done, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia cut tail and ran or supported the intervention. In fact, it's already looking like that might just happen, with Putin himself stating that he would support intervention if it was proven with solid evidence.
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As regards the possible use of weapons of mass destruction – any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical weapons – our position is consistent. We are categorically opposed to them, we condemn them and, accordingly, if their use can be proven, we will participate in developing countermeasures.
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So much for your warmongering Russia-vs-US-over-Syria-WW3...
And approval from the UN means nothing, seriously.
I don't recall China or Russia declaring WW3 on the US when Iraq/Afghanistan got invaded. I don't recall the US declaring WW3 on Russia when it attacked Georgia, invaded Chechnya (not once but TWICE) and bombed all those civvies to shit either. This doesn't mean that the US is justified in attacking without solid evidence, but my point is that approval from the UN isn't going to stop the sole superpower, or any country with a decent military for that matter from doing whatever it wants.
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On September 05 2013 22:36 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:28 Yuljan wrote:On September 05 2013 22:13 heliusx wrote:On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head? You should be ashamed. Don't confuse country with government. http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/ 70% of all Syrians support Assad, 20% are neutral and 10% support the rebels. I think you can say that the ones fighting for Assad are fighting for Syria. Clearly a bullshit website that anyone with half a brain could spot. "paralegals: hammer, rude, nasty ,hussein, tong.". The text at the bottom should set off an alarm for any person but not you. You post that trash over and over again, its pathetic. Of course this type of trash is created just for people like you. Lap it up, there are plenty of people willing to tell you what to think.
Regardless of the names of the paralegals, it is probably bullshit news. When googling I can find lots of articles that refer to this worldtribune piece as their source, while I cannot find the press release that they are referring to from NATO (and I looked in NATO's own archives).
Just goes to show, once again, that you should be careful when looking up news on the internet.
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That's because the report doesn't exist. These shitty websites just link to each other instead of an actual source because the source doesn't exist. Yet people somehow fall for it.
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On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head?You should be ashamed.
Yes, and I'm sure many nazi soldier believed they are doing good for humanity, so what? There's nothing to be ashamed of; I'm well aware that it's easy to jump on what I said, because it's totally not cool, and we are saints and stuff, but spare that stuff for me. Tell that guy who lost a family member in the attacks, that he can't execute hostages. No, I'd actually like you to walk up to him, while he's holding his dying relative, and repeat him the bolded line. Yes, I'm being overly dramatic, but you get the point. It's easy to be like "no, don't hurt anyone, thats bad!". I don't support slaughter, but I know it can't end peacefuly, so I'd rather see the regime fall - which has its cost.
On September 05 2013 22:31 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. People like you are the reason why there are nearly no smart people left in this thread. Last 30 pages have been a total mess.
No, actually I'm the reason for the whole Syrian war... please.
You talk about smart people, when you just freak out on my view, which is as subjective as it gets. Funny world we live in.
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On September 05 2013 23:10 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head?You should be ashamed. Yes, and I'm sure many nazi soldier believed they are doing good for humanity, so what? There's nothing to be ashamed of; I'm well aware that it's easy to jump on what I said, because it's totally not cool, and we are saints and stuff, but spare that stuff for me. Tell that guy who lost a family member in the attacks, that he can't execute hostages. No, I'd actually like you to walk up to him, while he's holding his dying relative, and repeat him the bolded line. Yes, I'm being overly dramatic, but you get the point. It's easy to be like "no, don't hurt anyone, thats bad!". I don't support slaughter, but I know it can't end peacefuly, so I'd rather see the regime fall - which has its cost. Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:31 imperator-xy wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. People like you are the reason why there are nearly no smart people left in this thread. Last 30 pages have been a total mess. No, actually I'm the reason for the whole Syrian war... please. You talk about smart people, when you just freak out on my view, which is as subjective as it gets. Funny world we live in.
You are the one who said can't feel empathy for them. Maybe you meant sympathy. Or you are just that kind of guy.
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On September 05 2013 23:24 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:10 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 22:04 ImperialFist wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. Eager to serve the ones who ordered using chemical weapons? Think before you write next time? Every Assad supporter believes there was no usage of Chemical weapons ordered by the regime, and you have no empathy towards young men fighting for their country and people being tortured and shoot in the back of the head?You should be ashamed. Yes, and I'm sure many nazi soldier believed they are doing good for humanity, so what? There's nothing to be ashamed of; I'm well aware that it's easy to jump on what I said, because it's totally not cool, and we are saints and stuff, but spare that stuff for me. Tell that guy who lost a family member in the attacks, that he can't execute hostages. No, I'd actually like you to walk up to him, while he's holding his dying relative, and repeat him the bolded line. Yes, I'm being overly dramatic, but you get the point. It's easy to be like "no, don't hurt anyone, thats bad!". I don't support slaughter, but I know it can't end peacefuly, so I'd rather see the regime fall - which has its cost. On September 05 2013 22:31 imperator-xy wrote:On September 05 2013 21:41 Volband wrote:On September 05 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote:Don't think this have been posted yet. There is also a video of rebels executing soldiers. Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in Westhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?hpThis scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow. I'm still amazed by how we can keep track of wars via videos like this. Our children might take it for granted, but I'm still not used to it. About the execution: I have no empathy towards the ones who stand on the side responsible for the chemical attacks. If they are so eager to serve the ones who ordered such a thing, then it's just natural that they eat the bullets for it. People like you are the reason why there are nearly no smart people left in this thread. Last 30 pages have been a total mess. No, actually I'm the reason for the whole Syrian war... please. You talk about smart people, when you just freak out on my view, which is as subjective as it gets. Funny world we live in. You are the one who said can't feel empathy for them. Maybe you meant sympathy. Or you are just that kind of guy.
Mmm yes, that would be it.
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On September 05 2013 22:36 sgtnoobkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 20:21 Rosie wrote:
If the U.S. attack on Syria without UN approval, then Russia will fulfill its part of the contract. The troops of al-Assad was not found sarin in service, so the U.S. does not have the authority to attack Syria. How does this lead to a precedent for WW3?What contracts do you speak of? The Russian govt. has never stated that they would back Syria with its armed forces if it was attacked. The Navy's Tartus base is only there because the Syrian govt. (at the time) gave it to the Russians in exchange for removing the debts Syria owed; the base and its ships are not there to defend Syria nor would they be used to fight off Western intervention. Also Putin could care less about whether Assad stays or falls; all that matters is finishing up the arms shipments to Syria. Once they're done, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia cut tail and ran or supported the intervention. In fact, it's already looking like that might just happen, with Putin himself stating that he would support intervention if it was proven with solid evidence. Show nested quote +
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As regards the possible use of weapons of mass destruction – any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical weapons – our position is consistent. We are categorically opposed to them, we condemn them and, accordingly, if their use can be proven, we will participate in developing countermeasures.
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So much for your warmongering Russia-vs-US-over-Syria-WW3... And approval from the UN means nothing, seriously. I don't recall China or Russia declaring WW3 on the US when Iraq/Afghanistan got invaded. I don't recall the US declaring WW3 on Russia when it attacked Georgia, invaded Chechnya (not once but TWICE) and bombed all those civvies to shit either. This doesn't mean that the US is justified in attacking without solid evidence, but my point is that approval from the UN isn't going to stop the sole superpower, or any country with a decent military for that matter from doing whatever it wants.
Russia wants to remain at the head of Syria with Assad, because the next target after Syria, Iran will be, and then Russia. The question is not who used the gas, and how it is beneficial to both parties. First Asad did not use gas because it was not necessary. The government has destroyed the rebels, and why use gas? There's no reasonable explanation other than that it was a provocation by the rebels.
Hence Putin will side with Assad, and any attempt by the U.S. to intervene in the internal affairs of Syria, Russia will be perceived as aggression.
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On September 05 2013 23:36 Rosie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 22:36 sgtnoobkilla wrote:On September 05 2013 20:21 Rosie wrote:
If the U.S. attack on Syria without UN approval, then Russia will fulfill its part of the contract. The troops of al-Assad was not found sarin in service, so the U.S. does not have the authority to attack Syria. How does this lead to a precedent for WW3?What contracts do you speak of? The Russian govt. has never stated that they would back Syria with its armed forces if it was attacked. The Navy's Tartus base is only there because the Syrian govt. (at the time) gave it to the Russians in exchange for removing the debts Syria owed; the base and its ships are not there to defend Syria nor would they be used to fight off Western intervention. Also Putin could care less about whether Assad stays or falls; all that matters is finishing up the arms shipments to Syria. Once they're done, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia cut tail and ran or supported the intervention. In fact, it's already looking like that might just happen, with Putin himself stating that he would support intervention if it was proven with solid evidence.
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As regards the possible use of weapons of mass destruction – any weapons of mass destruction, including chemical weapons – our position is consistent. We are categorically opposed to them, we condemn them and, accordingly, if their use can be proven, we will participate in developing countermeasures.
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So much for your warmongering Russia-vs-US-over-Syria-WW3... And approval from the UN means nothing, seriously. I don't recall China or Russia declaring WW3 on the US when Iraq/Afghanistan got invaded. I don't recall the US declaring WW3 on Russia when it attacked Georgia, invaded Chechnya (not once but TWICE) and bombed all those civvies to shit either. This doesn't mean that the US is justified in attacking without solid evidence, but my point is that approval from the UN isn't going to stop the sole superpower, or any country with a decent military for that matter from doing whatever it wants. Russia wants to remain at the head of Syria with Assad, because the next target after Syria, Iran will be, and then Russia. The question is not who used the gas, and how it is beneficial to both parties. First Asad did not use gas because it was not necessary. The government has destroyed the rebels, and why use gas? There's no reasonable explanation other than that it was a provocation by the rebels. Hence Putin will side with Assad, and any attempt by the U.S. to intervene in the internal affairs of Syria, Russia will be perceived as aggression.
You forgot to mention that warning of consequences is 'caution' not 'warmongering'. Russia released a report today on the march attacks. No biters? haha
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On September 05 2013 23:36 Rosie wrote:
The question is not who used the gas, and how it is beneficial to both parties. First Asad did not use gas because it was not necessary. The government has destroyed the rebels, and why use gas? There's no reasonable explanation other than that it was a provocation by the rebels.
You've completely avoided my question and again rambled on about who is responsible for the gas attack...
I haven't asked you as to who is responsible for the gas attack. I'm asking you as to why you seem to think intervention would cause WW3 when everything that Russia and the US has said and done so far suggests otherwise (@BioNova "warmongering" refers to this).
On September 05 2013 23:36 Rosie wrote:
Russia wants to remain at the head of Syria with Assad, because the next target after Syria, Iran will be, and then Russia.
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Hence Putin will side with Assad, and any attempt by the U.S. to intervene in the internal affairs of Syria, Russia will be perceived as aggression.
Your own government's actions do not back up what you are saying about some hypothetical domino theory for Syria-Iran-Russia. If they were truly serious about gearing up for WW3 as you say they are to deter this "aggression" from the US, then there would have been plenty of forces assembled to meet the threat. Yet there are absolutely no signs of Russia mobilising anything to prevent a possible intervention in Syria itself.
Are there tank divisions being mobilised on the Turkish border? Are troops being airlifted to Iran to support Syria? No they aren't. A routine flotilla of ships rotating between ports is NOT called readying for war.
Also, you spoke of a contract earlier. Show me a link to a official statement from the Kremlin proves that a contract or pact was made with Syria that guarantees Russian military support on their behalf.
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EPT
