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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members. Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true. | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:35 TimeOut wrote: Edit: Unless the plant was scheduled to shut down anyway, because it was fairly old. Reactors 1 and 2 were scheduled for takedown in 2013 from what i read. But 3 and 4 are also hit by the cooling situation. I don't know which reactor they wanna flood, so it might turn out quite good for them. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
I don't actually doubt that is the case. Humanity has an irrational fear of nuclear power, believing it to be an unstable force that will power your house or obliterate it at a 50/50% split. The worst thing about this coverage is that with this, nuclear power is off the table for good. After this the damage to the image of nuclear power is beyond recovery. It was such a great middle-off-the-road solution between the now and the alternative energy. Too bad even green-energy lovers have a massive hatred for nuclear power, even though Coal kills many more people every year. This is so utterly frustrating, a great solution out of the damn window, purely of how people perceive it wich is just so far from reality it's ridiculous. | ||
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:40 jacen wrote: Reactors 1 and 2 were scheduled for takedown in 2013 from what i read. But 3 and 4 are also hit by the cooling situation. I don't know which reactor they wanna flood, so it might turn out quite good for them. Reactor 1 which is the damaged one was scheduled to be shut down completely in march 2011 its about 40 years old. Anyways I wouldnt trust the info you get from Japan too much. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:41 zalz wrote: I read that this kind of reactor can't even explode. The worst case scenario is a polution radius of about 1.5 mile, but that is if everything goes wrong and the people there are basically playing poker whilst letting the facility run it's course. I don't actually doubt that is the case. Humanity has an irrational fear of nuclear power, believing it to be an unstable force that will power your house or obliterate it at a 50/50% split. The worst thing about this coverage is that with this, nuclear power is off the table for good. After this the damage to the image of nuclear power is beyond recovery. It was such a great middle-off-the-road solution between the now and the alternative energy. Too bad even green-energy lovers have a massive hatred for nuclear power, even though Coal kills many more people every year. This is so utterly frustrating, a great solution out of the damn window, purely of how people perceive it wich is just so far from reality it's ridiculous. Well, helium 3 is technically nuclear energy that shows great promise. There is still hope for nuclear power, sort of... | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:41 zalz wrote: I read that this kind of reactor can't even explode. The worst case scenario is a polution radius of about 1.5 mile, but that is if everything goes wrong and the people there are basically playing poker whilst letting the facility run it's course. I don't actually doubt that is the case. Humanity has an irrational fear of nuclear power, believing it to be an unstable force that will power your house or obliterate it at a 50/50% split. The worst thing about this coverage is that with this, nuclear power is off the table for good. After this the damage to the image of nuclear power is beyond recovery. It was such a great middle-off-the-road solution between the now and the alternative energy. Too bad even green-energy lovers have a massive hatred for nuclear power, even though Coal kills many more people every year. This is so utterly frustrating, a great solution out of the damn window, purely of how people perceive it wich is just so far from reality it's ridiculous. I know it's quite sad, disasters with breaking dams or the ecological damage they cause don't nearly create as much stigma for hydroelectric power for instance :-( | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:41 zalz wrote: I read that this kind of reactor can't even explode. The reactors in question were built in the 70tys, and no, they are not 100% fail safe. Worst case, one of the reactors melt and pollutes a VERY large area with a decent explosion. But if they managed to insert the control rods (which it seems they did) non of the reactors are going to melt. They "just" need to get the coolant flow going again and release some pressure (contaminated steam) in the meantime. | ||
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Karakaxe
Sweden585 Posts
I have a few very good friends in Osaka and when I heard about the tsunami I immediately wrote to them. I knew it didn't hit Osaka but they travel alot so I really hoped that they were home. Thankfully, they answered today and they are fine, they felt the earthquake in Osaka so it must have been one hell of a quake. They also wrote that many people can't contact they relatives. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:41 zalz wrote: I read that this kind of reactor can't even explode. The worst case scenario is a polution radius of about 1.5 mile, but that is if everything goes wrong and the people there are basically playing poker whilst letting the facility run it's course. No, it can't explode the way Chernobyl did, for many different reasons. The reactor is shut down, the only worry is the decay heat. When Chernobyl exploded its power output was several orders of magnitude larger than what's currently being produced in the Japanese reactor. Even if the reactor were running it couldn't explode the way Chernobyl did, this type of reactor is stable and won't enter into a feedback loop. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
this pisses me off to no end but lets not forget that is a tiny minority of americans. Did somebody just search "pearl harbor" looking for stupid comments or what? these ignorant idiots only appear to have large numbers because its easier to remember the shockingly negative while forgetting and overlooking all the positive thoughts and prayers + Show Spoiler + http://twitter.com/amazingatheist/status/46502359731412992 how about taking a screenshot of all the americans retweeting this one? "If this Earthquake is Japan's Karmatic punishment for Pearl Harbor, I dread to see what ours will be for Hiroshima and Nagasaki." or perhaps this blog scolding and shaming the facebook imbeciles http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/03/facebook_imbeci.php i just searched "pearl harbor" myself and theres an overwhelmingly large number of people scolding these idiots. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:45 Bartuc wrote: I know it's quite sad, disasters with breaking dams or the ecological damage they cause don't nearly create as much stigma for hydroelectric power for instance :-( Well, ofc the technology has some risks and unsolved problems such as where to put nuclear waste, however the public (at least in germany) seems not be able to weight risk and reward correctly. Headline here "3 people radiated in japan !!" ( while >10.000 dead). However the misperception of/disability to weight risks is a wide spread phenomen (see the hysterical anti-smoking campains driven in the last 10 years all over europe) .. | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html | ||
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TimeOut
Germany1277 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:51 hugman wrote: No, it can't explode the way Chernobyl did, for many different reasons. The reactor is shut down, the only worry is the decay heat. When Chernobyl exploded its power output was several orders of magnitude larger than what's currently being produced in the Japanese reactor. Even if the reactor were running it couldn't explode the way Chernobyl did, this type of reactor is stable and won't enter into a feedback loop. That's correct. Reactors of the BWR/X-type are completely different in their basic construction from the RBMK reactors. There is no way that a BWR-3 (as Fukushima I) could explode in the same way as Chernobyl even if everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong. In its current state even more so. All the reactors are currently shut down and they are only dealing with the decay heat. See also: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20110312-267799.html | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Just selective memory. They conveniently forgot about how we dropped nuclear bombs on civilians and threw innocent Japanese-Americans in internment camps. And that Japan is one of the US's biggest allies and trading partners. I wonder how "karma" will get back at the US for Iraq and stuff. >.< User was warned for this post | ||
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Xadar
497 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:12 hugman wrote: Who's teaching those people to think that way? Fox? Do they even know their country dropped nuclear bombs on civillian target? I guess crimes against humanity is nothing when compared to crimes against the US Damn, i didnt know there are people on this planet in the 21st century that could be so retarded and ignorant  really really sad... | ||
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TimeOut
Germany1277 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Tsunami footage] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M535NGr9vbo#t=2m (watch from 2 minutes, if the link doesn't take you there) Also another picture, taken from the BBC site. That's the port city of Minamisanriku where currently ten thousand people are still considered missing. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kQ255.jpg) | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
There's like 5 buildings standing. Unbelievable. I really hope they're missing because they simply weren't in the city ... | ||
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Impervious
Canada4200 Posts
Wow. | ||
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nennx
United States310 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:41 zalz wrote: + Show Spoiler + I read that this kind of reactor can't even explode. The worst case scenario is a polution radius of about 1.5 mile, but that is if everything goes wrong and the people there are basically playing poker whilst letting the facility run it's course. I don't actually doubt that is the case. Humanity has an irrational fear of nuclear power, believing it to be an unstable force that will power your house or obliterate it at a 50/50% split. The worst thing about this coverage is that with this, nuclear power is off the table for good. After this the damage to the image of nuclear power is beyond recovery. It was such a great middle-off-the-road solution between the now and the alternative energy. Too bad even green-energy lovers have a massive hatred for nuclear power, even though Coal kills many more people every year. This is so utterly frustrating, a great solution out of the damn window, purely of how people perceive it wich is just so far from reality it's ridiculous. Pretty much sums up what I was thinking all day yesterday. Pretty much sucks, but I don't think it will be put off the table. Honestly, we need nuclear power and eventually we'll just have to start using it. | ||
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Sgany
United Kingdom790 Posts
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