|
Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true. |
On March 13 2011 06:25 Maenander wrote:
Radiation sensors across the globe should be put into a global network with results available online, it is really not that hard to do and would end all the useless speculation and fear-mongering. If anything happens, everyone will be informed. Might cause panic, but I prefer that over ignorance.
I dont think people were more likely to panic if they were well informed rather than left with little information and unexplained, ominous and dangerous sounding single word describtions of situations.
|
On March 13 2011 06:34 snow2.0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 06:25 Maenander wrote:
Radiation sensors across the globe should be put into a global network with results available online, it is really not that hard to do and would end all the useless speculation and fear-mongering. If anything happens, everyone will be informed. Might cause panic, but I prefer that over ignorance. I dont think people were more likely to panic if they were well informed rather than left with little information and unexplained, ominous and dangerous sounding single word describtions of situations.
Radiation levels alone aren't enough to predict what's about to happen at a plant. We've all known that there was a 1,015 uSv leak yesterday, and that never suggested that the outer building would explode or that that explosion wouldn't be fatal.
|
On March 13 2011 04:53 hugman wrote:Wow, the water just keeps on rising and rising
Totally speechless. Those poor people.
|
http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.html
This is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it:
+ Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm."
If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one.
|
On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one.
Whoa, makes me really sad that when we had a similar event a year ago, the n°1 thing to happen was mass looting galore, heck, even places unscathed by the earthquake had hordes looting the supermarkets.
|
On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one.
I would love to, but...That kind of kindness is somewhat related to the way Japanese people perceive their community, while not limited to Japan, I doubt we will see it that much outside several specific countries.
|
On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one.
warms the heart
|
On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one.
That's incredible. Thank you very much for translating.
|
On March 13 2011 07:36 Jackos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one. Whoa, makes me really sad that when we had a similar event a year ago, the n°1 thing to happen was mass looting galore, heck, even places unscathed by the earthquake had hordes looting the supermarkets.
There's pranks and misinformation and scams happening by email/text/phone right now in Japan too.
I think those people are just a minority in most places throughout the world, just that assholes tend to be the most motivated people. I think if Japan had a smaller middle class, there'd be looting too.
But yeah either way it's good to know there isn't much of that going on this time.
|
On March 13 2011 07:43 dump wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 07:36 Jackos wrote:On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one. Whoa, makes me really sad that when we had a similar event a year ago, the n°1 thing to happen was mass looting galore, heck, even places unscathed by the earthquake had hordes looting the supermarkets. There's pranks and misinformation and scams happening by email/text/phone right now in Japan too. I think those people are just a minority in most places throughout the world, just that assholes tend to be the most motivated people. I think if Japan had a smaller middle class, there'd be looting too. But yeah either way it's good to know there isn't much of that going on this time.
Here the lower classes weren't the ones looting, it was infuriating to see medics, engineers, lawyers and other people with stable and good lifes stealing like they had no other choice. Its just the mindset of the country I guess...
|
A bit of silver lining to this is it could lead to massive expenditures by the Japanese govt. (rather than their half assed stimulus measures over the past decade) and allow for big infrastructure investments that may help push japan out of her stagnation.
Ofc. this is just off the top of my head, but perhaps some good can be made from this situation.
Great post as usual dump.
|
On March 13 2011 06:05 feanor1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2011 16:01 Jesushooves wrote:
Man I have never heard of a quake with such a magnitude, keep in mind the Richter scale is exponential, a quake of 8 on the Richter scale is 10 times the intensity of one with a 7 rating. I hope all the best for those in Japan, scary stuff. An earthquake between 8.0-8.9 happens around once a year, rarely do they hit such developed areas or cause Tsunamis. But a similar event happened as recently as 2004, 200,000+ dead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami. That was a 9.1-9.3 Last year Chile experienced a 8.8. Luckily Japan has been preparing for an earthquake of this magnitude for years, so the death toll will hopefully be much lower than 2004.
I'm pretty sure large earthquakes like the Sendai earthquake and the Chile earthquake do not happen annually even when you factor in remote areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_earthquakes#Largest_earthquakes_by_magnitude
The range of the 25 largest earthquakes spans over 400 years.
|
Best of luck to the Japanese people! I feel so sad for them.
|
Just got an interesting alert from Stratfor in my email. Apparently NISA (Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency) contradicts what the Japanese gov is saying in public.
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110312-japanese-government-confirms-meltdown?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110312(6)&utm_content=readmore&elq=9f8e753a0cca4f8d8ed104a28dfbee45
+ Show Spoiler +Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) said March 12 that the explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core, Japanese daily Nikkei reported. This statement seemed somewhat at odds with Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano’s comments earlier March 12, in which he said “the walls of the building containing the reactor were destroyed, meaning that the metal container encasing the reactor did not explode.”
NISA’s statement is significant because it is the government agency that reports to the Agency for Natural Resources and Energy within the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry. NISA works in conjunction with the Atomic Energy Commission. Its role is to provide oversight to the industry and is responsible for signing off construction of new plants, among other things. It has been criticized for approving nuclear plants on geological fault lines and for an alleged conflict of interest in regulating the nuclear sector. It was NISA that issued the order for the opening of the valve to release pressure — and thus allegedly some radiation — from the Fukushima power plant.
NISA has also overseen the entire government response to the nuclear reactor problems following the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami. It is difficult to determine at this point whether the NISA statement is accurate, as the Nikkei report has not been corroborated by others. It is also not clear from the context whether NISA is stating the conclusions of an official assessment or simply making a statement. However, the Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the operator of the Fukushima nuclear plant, also said that although it had relieved pressure, nevertheless some nuclear fuel had melted and further action was necessary to contain the pressure.
If this report is accurate, it would not be the first time statements by NISA and Edano have diverged. When Edano earlier claimed that radiation levels had fallen at the site after the depressurization efforts, NISA claimed they had risen due to the release of radioactive vapors.
Read more: Japanese Government Confirms Meltdown | STRATFOR
edit - And just as I post this I hear on NHK that it is just a partial melt.
|
Just got an E-mail from my friend they are fine <3
My thoughs go out to the other people out there who may have not got good news, like I have 
The feeling I felt while waiting for that E-mail was horrible, I do not know what it would feel like to have never have got that E-mail, and sadly that is the case for some people, I can only imagine what they may feel.
|
I'm still waiting for one
|
On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one.
Thank you for translating those. Throughout all the negative things that have popped up during this horrific event, I must say, those few words are the only ones that have made me truly want to cry.
|
This is ridiculous. CNN keeps pushing the word "meltdown" in the headlines while repeatedly asking the Japanese Ambassador if there is one. Chernobyl comparisons included.
|
United States4053 Posts
On March 13 2011 08:07 VManOfMana wrote:
This is ridiculous. CNN keeps pushing the word "meltdown" in the headlines while repeatedly asking the Japanese Ambassador if there is one. Chernobyl comparisons included.
yellow journalism at its finest
i can't even tell if anything has happened yet from the wording of the articles
|
On March 13 2011 07:31 dump wrote:http://prayforjapan.jp/tweet.htmlThis is a bit uplifting, so I'll translate some of it: + Show Spoiler +"It's so dark, the stars have never been so beautiful. Sendai, look up." (in reference to the Sukiyaki song) ”Disneyland was giving out snacks from the shops. Some high school girls were taking a whole bunch, and I thought 'wtf', but then I saw them giving them out to kids at the shelters. Parents can't move around right now, so I'm both thankful and worried." "One person quietly picked up scattered goods at a supermarket, lined up and paid for her groceries. Another old lady gave up her seat to a pregnant woman. A foreigner who watched this was speechless. Wow, Japan." UN comment: "Japan has been a large donor to the world. The UN will do all it can to help Japan." ”It's nothing new for a green light to only get one car through, but I was moved to see people giving way to each other. Traffic was paralyzed at one complicated intersection for 5 minutes, but the only honks I heard were ones signaling 'thanks'. Amidst these scary but warming times, I've come to like Japan even more." "Last midnight, on the way home from college, the old lady at the bakery was still giving out bread for free -- well past closing time. People are doing all they can even in amidst the chaos. Tokyo's not so bad after all." "I got a text message from my Korean friend. 'The world's only atom bomb victim. The loser of the world war. Hit by typhoons every year. Earthquakes all the time. Tsunamis too. Yet Japan always stands back up. God speed Japan, god speed.' I'm still crying." "I was tired waiting at the station, when some homeless people gave me a cardboard box to sit on to keep warm. This after we pretend they don't even exist. It's warm." If anyone's interested I'll translate the rest. Although I wish they'd realize that kindness is a human feature when shit hits the fan, not just a Japanese one.
Japan truly is an incredible place, my heart goes out to them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
