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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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On March 12 2011 13:33 Robinsa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:20 Crackensan wrote:
What Japan needs is logistical aid. Ships, aircraft, helicopters. Financially, they should be ok. What does concern me is I don't particularly know the details of Japans stockpile of necessities to provide victims, I.E: Food, Water, Shelter. That, and some trained, specialized personell, medics, doctors, will be in GREAT demand.
Logistics. Japan needs machines to get to the people in need, not necessarily money or even man power.
Interesting aside, RoK (South Korea) has already pledged to aid the recovery and rescue operations. There is going to be a need yes but I can also tell you that there is no other nation in the world as prepared as Japan. Thats the reason why we only see victims in the thousands and not the ten or twentythousands.
Not quite, they are only showing the numbers of dead bodies that they've recovered so far from the disaster.
The number would definitely reach couple thousands as they have yet to uncover many other missing victims and deceased ones.
Not to mention, the disaster is still going on.
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On March 12 2011 13:29 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:05 KwarK wrote:On March 12 2011 13:01 Caphe wrote:On March 12 2011 12:53 KwarK wrote:On March 12 2011 10:00 NukeTheStars wrote:
Somehow, I knew someone would find a way to argue AGAINST donating to Japan. I just didn't think it would happen so fast. Absolutely incredible, Kwark. I didn't say there are dozens of retail outlets where you could spend your money on random crap. I said there are places where your money is needed more. There are places that have actually requested help from aid agencies (unlike Japan) where people are dying every day from preventable diseases (unlike Japan) or even due to lack of basics like clean drinking water (unlike Japan). I'm all for helping people but helping Japan because their very high average standing of living is going to be marginally lower is ridiculous given the ongoing crises going on around the world. If it's an earthquake thing then Haiti is still a good choice, even a year on. Actually, if you only look at how strong a country is, Japan may not need a donation. But at this kind of time, donation or help of any kind is the only way people around the world can show their sympathy to people in this disaster in Japan. Its not about the money but about human being helping out one another. If there is a donation for Japan going up in my place, I would donate in a heart beat just like what I did for the Sichuan EQ in China a few years back. So do you have no sympathy for the people dying everywhere else in the world or have their disasters already expired their allotted cooldown? There are countries crying out for aid in which your money will make a real, tangible difference to someone's life. The amount of money needed to actually save a life is incredibly low when people are dying for the lack of things like mosquito nets. Japan hasn't even asked for help, giving them money because of the nature of the news cycle is absurd. Look Kwark, this is just dumb. Human beings aren't that coldly logical and never will be. Do you complain about local food drives or homeless shelters in the U.K. because the money/food from them would be more effective in Africa? I'm all for raising awareness of the horrible need for help in poor countries, but there's no need to shit on people wanting to donate to Japan here. You may as well get mad at someone for giving their friend $200 instead of giving that $200 to a random homeless guy down the street who needs it more.
I guess (and this is only what i would suspect) that he doesnt actually mean that donations to the japanese are a bad thing, just that the reason for the donations are not the right one. The need in other countries that have suffered similar fates not so long ago might still be a lot higher than in japan at this very moment.
I mean look at it this way, the japanese are probably the most experienced people on the earth when it comes to preventing damage from earthquakes and some other natural disasters. While on the other hand the haitians are still struggling right now even if they dont get as much media attention at this moment then when they did when the earthquake struck there, they still need a lot more help getting out of this disaster then the japanese ever will.
I'm not saying you shouldnt donate, just that you should think who really needs more help. This might not be as easy as it could be when all you see right now are news segments that focus on japan instead of events long past.
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meanwhile in Korea there was GSL on live lol.
User was warned for this post
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On March 12 2011 13:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:01 Caphe wrote:On March 12 2011 12:53 KwarK wrote:On March 12 2011 10:00 NukeTheStars wrote:
Somehow, I knew someone would find a way to argue AGAINST donating to Japan. I just didn't think it would happen so fast. Absolutely incredible, Kwark. I didn't say there are dozens of retail outlets where you could spend your money on random crap. I said there are places where your money is needed more. There are places that have actually requested help from aid agencies (unlike Japan) where people are dying every day from preventable diseases (unlike Japan) or even due to lack of basics like clean drinking water (unlike Japan). I'm all for helping people but helping Japan because their very high average standing of living is going to be marginally lower is ridiculous given the ongoing crises going on around the world. If it's an earthquake thing then Haiti is still a good choice, even a year on. Actually, if you only look at how strong a country is, Japan may not need a donation. But at this kind of time, donation or help of any kind is the only way people around the world can show their sympathy to people in this disaster in Japan. Its not about the money but about human being helping out one another. If there is a donation for Japan going up in my place, I would donate in a heart beat just like what I did for the Sichuan EQ in China a few years back. So do you have no sympathy for the people dying everywhere else in the world or have their disasters already expired their allotted cooldown? There are countries crying out for aid in which your money will make a real, tangible difference to someone's life. The amount of money needed to actually save a life is incredibly low when people are dying for the lack of things like mosquito nets. Japan hasn't even asked for help, giving them money because of the nature of the news cycle is absurd.
I really want to argue with you, but let not derail this thread. Let just hope the best for those people that got washed away by the tsunami.
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On March 12 2011 13:42 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 13:29 Hinanawi wrote:On March 12 2011 13:05 KwarK wrote:On March 12 2011 13:01 Caphe wrote:On March 12 2011 12:53 KwarK wrote:On March 12 2011 10:00 NukeTheStars wrote:
Somehow, I knew someone would find a way to argue AGAINST donating to Japan. I just didn't think it would happen so fast. Absolutely incredible, Kwark. I didn't say there are dozens of retail outlets where you could spend your money on random crap. I said there are places where your money is needed more. There are places that have actually requested help from aid agencies (unlike Japan) where people are dying every day from preventable diseases (unlike Japan) or even due to lack of basics like clean drinking water (unlike Japan). I'm all for helping people but helping Japan because their very high average standing of living is going to be marginally lower is ridiculous given the ongoing crises going on around the world. If it's an earthquake thing then Haiti is still a good choice, even a year on. Actually, if you only look at how strong a country is, Japan may not need a donation. But at this kind of time, donation or help of any kind is the only way people around the world can show their sympathy to people in this disaster in Japan. Its not about the money but about human being helping out one another. If there is a donation for Japan going up in my place, I would donate in a heart beat just like what I did for the Sichuan EQ in China a few years back. So do you have no sympathy for the people dying everywhere else in the world or have their disasters already expired their allotted cooldown? There are countries crying out for aid in which your money will make a real, tangible difference to someone's life. The amount of money needed to actually save a life is incredibly low when people are dying for the lack of things like mosquito nets. Japan hasn't even asked for help, giving them money because of the nature of the news cycle is absurd. Look Kwark, this is just dumb. Human beings aren't that coldly logical and never will be. Do you complain about local food drives or homeless shelters in the U.K. because the money/food from them would be more effective in Africa? I'm all for raising awareness of the horrible need for help in poor countries, but there's no need to shit on people wanting to donate to Japan here. You may as well get mad at someone for giving their friend $200 instead of giving that $200 to a random homeless guy down the street who needs it more. I guess (and this is only what i would suspect) that he doesnt actually mean that donations to the japanese are a bad thing, just that the reason for the donations are not the right one. The need in other countries that have suffered similar fates not so long ago might still be a lot higher than in japan at this very moment. I mean look at it this way, the japanese are probably the most experienced people on the earth when it comes to preventing damage from earthquakes and some other natural disasters. While on the other hand the haitians are still struggling right now even if they dont get as much media attention at this moment then when they did when the earthquake struck there, they still need a lot more help getting out of this disaster then the japanese ever will. I'm not saying you shouldnt donate, just that you should think who really needs more help. This might not be as easy as it could be when all you see right now are news segments that focus on japan instead of events long past.
I don't disagree with anything you said there. I just think this isn't the time or place for it.
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Kicking people when they're down... that's what it sounds like unfortunately.
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Austria324 Posts
On March 12 2011 14:09 polgas wrote:
Kicking people when they're down... that's what it sounds like unfortunately.
I hope you realize what i wrote was meant more as a compliment.
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uh, sorry i was talking about *discouraging people from* donating.
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On March 12 2011 14:16 elscuba wrote:
melt down ..........
I don't understand?
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That`s just fucked up. There`s nothing else to say about it
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I am amazed at how normal things feel on the street, even here where it's safe. It's a situation where I'm aware of the magnitude of the event, but it just hasn't really sunk in much.
I'm very curious what will be happening in the coming months.
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On March 12 2011 12:28 Galtakar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 12:26 Alexson wrote:On March 12 2011 12:22 Caelixx wrote:On March 12 2011 12:18 thoradycus wrote:On March 12 2011 12:16 LaiShin wrote:This making me rage...WTF Im raging hard at these people's posts...omg I like how all of the people making these retarded posts on the said website look like they're <18 years old. As if we didn't retaliate for pearl harbor right after it happened and it was just an attack we never responded to. Uneducated americans are uneducated. I feel ashamed of living here and reading those pasty kids posts. Wow, I just read through all of those... I think I might just move away, far far away, from the U.S. Worst part is that they are mostly trolling.
wow americans can be amazingly stupid sometimes
but then again i tell myself that every time they vote someone stupid like a tea partier into power
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On March 12 2011 14:19 RoosterSamurai wrote:I don't understand?
Fukushima1 power plant began to melt. TV said.
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On March 12 2011 14:25 elscuba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 14:19 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 12 2011 14:16 elscuba wrote:
melt down .......... I don't understand? Fukushima1 power plant began to melt. TV said.
Hmm that is really serious. I need to see a source on that one. =S If it's true though...Who knows what will happen.
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Yup, NHK reports that Fukushima 1 reactor began meltdown.
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1:52pm
Scientists are warning that Japan may be facing a nuclear disaster on the scale of Chernobyl.
More on Japan's atomic emergency from Edwin Lyman, a nuclear expert for the Global Security Programme at the Union of Concerned Scientists:
The events that occurred at these plants, which is the loss of both offsite power and onsite power, is one of the rarest events to happen in a nuclear power plant, and all indications are that the Japanese do not have the situation under control.
Japanese authorities are trying to avoid the cooling system failure from turning into catastrophe by venting radioactive gas and evacuating people, he explains.
The calculation at this point is that if you reduce pressure now by venting, you're reducing the risk of a catastrophic rupture, which could lead to an increase in radiation of thousands of times what it would be through the vents.
But a severe aftershock could undermine these efforts, a possibility that has laid bare a fatal flaw in readiness for the scenario that is now playing out in Japan.
I don't think any regulatory agency anywhere takes into account the possibility of repeated severe aftershocks.
source: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/asia/live-blog-japan-earthquake
also - http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ talking about the radiation now.
state of emergency at 5 nuclear reactors at 2 different locations. situation is worsening and a meltdown is possible.
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Natural cycle of hate breeding hate...however we should not stereotype a nation with the actions of a few..oh if you knew more of Unit 731 during WWII... =S
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wow i hope countries send help to Japan, they really need it right now..
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EPT
