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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
March 12 2011 01:53 GMT
#1221
1.13am GMT: The latest from the Fukushima reactors is that the government is now saying that there has been "no radioactive leak so far" at the nuclear plants. That seems to contradict an earlier statements by Japan's nuclear safety agency and the Tokyo Electric Power company.
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
March 12 2011 01:54 GMT
#1222
On March 12 2011 10:51 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 10:49 Yttrasil wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:43 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:30 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
incredible damage. done by nature

but, the real danger is the nuclear thread done by humans.

human will decide how this turns out. if the nuclear damage will procede to likes of chernobyl or if it will be prevented. that is a total blast of complete japan by nuclear pollution or if nothing happenes handling the situation. sadly big part is luck.

die or live. it is to be decided.

best hopes to you that it wont go the worst case scenario.

if it goes worst. whole japan is wasted land, and this is way more than the earthquake did, it would be the result of human nuclear developement.


Where are your sources that say all of Japan will become a nuclear wasteland? I'm having trouble seeing how all that could happen from 2 nuclear reactor failures.

simply research the impact of chernobyl.

russia is a mass area country, but even in germany we had an impact. japan is a super compact country, and since it is lika line, the weather is able to kill that line.


That and you are proposterous, read some about nuclear power plants and how they are constructed before scaring people to death with non facts the next time. Greenpeace is not a good source for this... and news has a way of reporting facts but not in an explanatory nor comparable way to what actually is dangerous. The chance of a meltdown is minimalistic and if it were to happen the damage would still be minimal and not like with Chernobyl.


You seem to know more about this. Assuming that there is a meltdown - how big would the damage be?


there is a concrete shell, so if there is a crack in it, which does not seem to be the case, it would be devastating. if not, that place would be sealed and the boffins will start scratching their head as to how to get rid of the reactor.
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 02:05:58
March 12 2011 02:01 GMT
#1223
On March 12 2011 10:49 Yttrasil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 10:43 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:30 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
incredible damage. done by nature

but, the real danger is the nuclear thread done by humans.

human will decide how this turns out. if the nuclear damage will procede to likes of chernobyl or if it will be prevented. that is a total blast of complete japan by nuclear pollution or if nothing happenes handling the situation. sadly big part is luck.

die or live. it is to be decided.

best hopes to you that it wont go the worst case scenario.

if it goes worst. whole japan is wasted land, and this is way more than the earthquake did, it would be the result of human nuclear developement.


Where are your sources that say all of Japan will become a nuclear wasteland? I'm having trouble seeing how all that could happen from 2 nuclear reactor failures.

simply research the impact of chernobyl.

russia is a mass area country, but even in germany we had an impact. japan is a super compact country, and since it is lika line, the weather is able to kill that line.


Greenpeace is not a good source for this... and news has a way of reporting facts but not in an explanatory nor comparable way to what actually is dangerous. The chance of a meltdown is minimalistic and if it were to happen the damage would still be minimal and not like with Chernobyl.

id love to go into facts, with nuclear plants, my uncle invented most of the structures and i followed his experiences. you said "That and you are proposterous, read some about nuclear power plants and how they are constructed before scaring people to death with non facts the next time." that are your arguement, that is what you are saying! you give no facts at all! nothing! not a single arguement for your point. erm... any smart guy would kick your ass right here. anytime. .... you are a joke.

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LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
March 12 2011 02:06 GMT
#1224
On March 12 2011 10:35 slimshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 10:12 structuralinertia wrote:

Better advice might be to donate to Japan as well as those other poorer places.


Dustin Browder: terrible, terrible damage.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Anyway, do we know how many deaths there are? My local news site says 300 now, but it may exceed 1000.

There were about 88,000 people reported missing. Hopefully a major chunk of the missing people are still alive and just haven't been able to report in to their families, friends, etc.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 12 2011 02:10 GMT
#1225
On March 12 2011 11:01 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 10:49 Yttrasil wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:43 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:30 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
incredible damage. done by nature

but, the real danger is the nuclear thread done by humans.

human will decide how this turns out. if the nuclear damage will procede to likes of chernobyl or if it will be prevented. that is a total blast of complete japan by nuclear pollution or if nothing happenes handling the situation. sadly big part is luck.

die or live. it is to be decided.

best hopes to you that it wont go the worst case scenario.

if it goes worst. whole japan is wasted land, and this is way more than the earthquake did, it would be the result of human nuclear developement.


Where are your sources that say all of Japan will become a nuclear wasteland? I'm having trouble seeing how all that could happen from 2 nuclear reactor failures.

simply research the impact of chernobyl.

russia is a mass area country, but even in germany we had an impact. japan is a super compact country, and since it is lika line, the weather is able to kill that line.


Greenpeace is not a good source for this... and news has a way of reporting facts but not in an explanatory nor comparable way to what actually is dangerous. The chance of a meltdown is minimalistic and if it were to happen the damage would still be minimal and not like with Chernobyl.

id love to go into facts, with nuclear plants, my uncle invented most of the structures and i followed his experiences. you said "That and you are proposterous, read some about nuclear power plants and how they are constructed before scaring people to death with non facts the next time." that are your arguement, that is what you are saying! you give no facts at all! nothing! not a single arguement for your point. erm... any smart guy would kick your ass right here. anytime. .... you are a joke.


calm down, please have a positive demeanor. this is not the place for insults or useless debate.
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dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 12 2011 02:10 GMT
#1226
Oh god, M6.1 in Tonga.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
March 12 2011 02:10 GMT
#1227
World Nuclear Association (WNA) spokesman Jeremy Gordon said the state of emergency was a legal requirement and did not mean that there was a genuine case for concern.

"It allows authorities to take additional measures," he told BBC News. "It empowers officials in the local region, such as the fire service, police etc to take the action they need to take, but at this stage it is purely precautionary."

Under Japanese law, a nuclear emergency must be declared if there is a release of radiation, if there is a dangerous level of water in the reactor, or if the cooling mechanisms fail.

"It is important to remember that for a large reactor like that, it would have a number of diesel generators that are supposed to start up automatically, when the plant is disconnected from the grid," Mr Gordon said.

source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12711707
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dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 12 2011 02:16 GMT
#1228
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html

MAP 6.8 2011/03/12 01:47:16 37.588 142.682 24.8 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 6.0 2011/03/12 01:34:10 38.748 142.853 24.5 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 6.1 2011/03/12 01:19:07 -16.727 -173.174 10.9 TONGA

6.8 and 6.0 aftershocks in Japan, 6.1 in Tonga.
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
March 12 2011 02:17 GMT
#1229
On March 12 2011 10:43 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 10:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:30 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
incredible damage. done by nature

but, the real danger is the nuclear thread done by humans.

human will decide how this turns out. if the nuclear damage will procede to likes of chernobyl or if it will be prevented. that is a total blast of complete japan by nuclear pollution or if nothing happenes handling the situation. sadly big part is luck.

die or live. it is to be decided.

best hopes to you that it wont go the worst case scenario.

if it goes worst. whole japan is wasted land, and this is way more than the earthquake did, it would be the result of human nuclear developement.


Where are your sources that say all of Japan will become a nuclear wasteland? I'm having trouble seeing how all that could happen from 2 nuclear reactor failures.

simply research the impact of chernobyl.

russia is a mass area country, but even in germany we had an impact. japan is a super compact country, and since it is lika line, the weather is able to kill that line.

(dont forget, i think about a worst case cenario with nuclear dangers. possibilities... dont get crazy, or confuse it)


Chernobyl is in Ukraine, not Russia.

I don't think you're educated enough to be speculating about 'worst case scenarios'.
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Zyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands564 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 02:25:05
March 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#1230
On March 12 2011 11:17 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 10:43 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On March 12 2011 10:30 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
incredible damage. done by nature

but, the real danger is the nuclear thread done by humans.

human will decide how this turns out. if the nuclear damage will procede to likes of chernobyl or if it will be prevented. that is a total blast of complete japan by nuclear pollution or if nothing happenes handling the situation. sadly big part is luck.

die or live. it is to be decided.

best hopes to you that it wont go the worst case scenario.

if it goes worst. whole japan is wasted land, and this is way more than the earthquake did, it would be the result of human nuclear developement.


Where are your sources that say all of Japan will become a nuclear wasteland? I'm having trouble seeing how all that could happen from 2 nuclear reactor failures.

simply research the impact of chernobyl.

russia is a mass area country, but even in germany we had an impact. japan is a super compact country, and since it is lika line, the weather is able to kill that line.

(dont forget, i think about a worst case cenario with nuclear dangers. possibilities... dont get crazy, or confuse it)


Chernobyl is in Ukraine, not Russia.

I don't think you're educated enough to be speculating about 'worst case scenarios'.


It was part of the USSR back then, but ok, fair enough.
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Deception-35
Profile Joined February 2011
United States113 Posts
March 12 2011 02:31 GMT
#1231
2012---------were fucked

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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
March 12 2011 02:31 GMT
#1232
no tsunami damage here in the sunset district in SF
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 02:34:27
March 12 2011 02:33 GMT
#1233
Info about the Fukushima power plants again:
+ Show Spoiler +
1.35am GMT:
The two nuclear plants currently having difficulties need some explaining, to keep everything clear. Here's what we know:

• Diesel generators that normally would have worked as back-ups to keep cooling systems running had been disabled by tsunami flooding.
• Power supply systems that would provide emergency electricity for the plant were being put in place, the World Nuclear Association said
• Both plants are light water reactors operated by the Tokyo Electric Power company (or Tepco):

Fukushima Daiichi (No 1) plant:
- has six reactors, three of which were shut down for maintainence. Two of the remaining reactors, Unit 1 has significant problems with a rising temperature and in another the operator says it has lost cooling ability.
– the Unit 1 reactor has seen radiation levels inside its control room rise, and slightly higher radiation levels have been detected outside the reactor. Pressure inside the reactor is twice the normal level, and the operator has been forced to vent radioactive vapor to relieve the pressure.

Fukushima Daini (No 2) plant
– has four reactors, and in units 1, 2 and 4 of them the operator has said it has lost cooling ability.
– Tepco says pressure is stable inside the reactors of the Daini plant but rising in the containment vessels.

• Both plants have been declared to be in a state of emergency by the government, and residents moved outside of a 10km zone around both plants.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
March 12 2011 02:38 GMT
#1234
On March 12 2011 11:31 LanTAs wrote:
no tsunami damage here in the sunset district in SF

one death in the bay area (SF, CA)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/03/11/BAEU1I9993.DTL&tsp=1
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 02:40:02
March 12 2011 02:39 GMT
#1235
Fucking Kojima

What a guy.

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kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
March 12 2011 02:41 GMT
#1236
LOL, these guys are funny:

http://youropenbook.org/?q=pearl harbor&gender=any

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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
March 12 2011 02:43 GMT
#1237
On March 12 2011 11:41 kaisen wrote:
LOL, these guys are funny:

http://youropenbook.org/?q=pearl harbor&gender=any


I can't even comprehend that thought process
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Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
March 12 2011 02:43 GMT
#1238
Apparently, a large-scale explosion like Chernobyl is unlikely to happen:

1.53am: Some updated information on nuclear reactor situation unfolding in Japan. The Japanese government has been holding an emergency meeting on the Fukushima nuclear plants.

Reuters has quoted an expert as saying that while some radiation may leak from the Fukushima nuclear power plant, a major disaster is unlikely.

Naoto Sekimura, a professor at the University of Tokyo says "No Chernobyl is possible at a light water reactor."

Loss of coolant means a temperature rise, but it also will stop the reaction. Even in the worst-case scenario, that would mean some radioactive leakage and equipment damage, but not an explosion. If venting is done carefully, there will be little leakage. Certainly not beyond the 3 km radius.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/12/japan-tsunami-earthquake-live-coverage
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
March 12 2011 02:43 GMT
#1239
On March 12 2011 11:41 kaisen wrote:
LOL, these guys are funny:

http://youropenbook.org/?q=pearl harbor&gender=any


Yeah... linking to a facebook page with a bunch of racist teenagers telling Japan they got what they deserved probably doesn't belong in this thread...
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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
March 12 2011 02:45 GMT
#1240
On March 12 2011 11:43 Spica wrote:
Apparently, a large-scale explosion like Chernobyl is unlikely to happen:

Show nested quote +
1.53am: Some updated information on nuclear reactor situation unfolding in Japan. The Japanese government has been holding an emergency meeting on the Fukushima nuclear plants.

Reuters has quoted an expert as saying that while some radiation may leak from the Fukushima nuclear power plant, a major disaster is unlikely.

Naoto Sekimura, a professor at the University of Tokyo says "No Chernobyl is possible at a light water reactor."

Loss of coolant means a temperature rise, but it also will stop the reaction. Even in the worst-case scenario, that would mean some radioactive leakage and equipment damage, but not an explosion. If venting is done carefully, there will be little leakage. Certainly not beyond the 3 km radius.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/12/japan-tsunami-earthquake-live-coverage


So basically, we're back where we started... what, like six hours ago? I'm glad they took precautions with the evacuations, but the news really blew this out of proportion =/
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