Crisis in Japan - Page 169
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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members. Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true. | ||
Rflcrx
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On March 17 2011 17:18 Rflcrx wrote: I agree, BBC is great and far more accurate than japanese state media/iaea (downplaying) or other western media (hyping) Usually BBC, Reuters and Al Jazeera are the best out there. Agreed completely with bbc. | ||
FoBuLouS
United States570 Posts
Please please PLEASE watch this: If that guy is right, and he does sound convincing, please be prepared for any type of earthquake. I don't want people getting hurt ![]() User was warned for this post | ||
Sorkoas
549 Posts
On March 17 2011 18:04 FoBuLouS wrote: To all the TL'ers on the west coast: Please please PLEASE watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQXDt4VdS0E&feature=player_embedded If that guy is right, and he does sound convincing, please be prepared for any type of earthquake. I don't want people getting hurt ![]() Please take that BS elsewhere. Start a blog or something... | ||
dump
Japan514 Posts
On March 17 2011 18:04 FoBuLouS wrote: To all the TL'ers on the west coast: Please please PLEASE watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQXDt4VdS0E&feature=player_embedded If that guy is right, and he does sound convincing, please be prepared for any type of earthquake. I don't want people getting hurt ![]() The "supermoon" hypothesis. It's been debunked -- it's supposed to be strongest during a full moon or new moon, but the quake hit right in between. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1365225/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Did-supermoon-cause-todays-natural-disaster.html "Dr David Harland, space historian and author, said: 'It's possible that the moon may be a kilometre or two closer to Earth than normal at a perigee, but it's an utterly insignificant event.'" http://seismo.berkeley.edu/faq/planets.html That said, we're not very well prepared here, and we are on the ring of fire -- so we probably should get started. | ||
Ambulation
126 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + MEDIA AND COMMENTARTORS CAUSING A ‘PR’ NIGHTMARE FOR FOREGNERS IN JAPAN 16 March 2011 – Tokyo, Japan – I guess if people hear something often enough they will start to believe it. The international media community are causing a public relations nightmare for foreigners living in quake hit Japan. It would seem that the most exciting images and stories of the quake and devastation which struck the nation last Friday are on a continuous loop. After all, normal people doing normal things doesn’t sell papers! This is causing major headaches for foreigners in Japan having to dedicate time to calming friends and family back home. It would seem that the images and messages being broadcast by the media are contradictory to what we are telling our friends and family. It is disappointing to see that the media have given up in some cases on dedicating their air time to the ‘actual’ and have focused their attention to filling any information vacuums with the ‘potential’. This specifically applies to the nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture. A huge list of ‘experts’ have been contacted and are offering academic and theory based opinions on the subject. In times like this it is difficult for anxious people the world over to filter information and often mistake opinion for fact. Moreover, in many corners of the world the issue of nuclear energy is controversial. I note the nuclear debate in New Zealand has taken on a new lease of life. My question is whether it is important that this debate is needed to be had right at the moment? Is it possible for it to be postponed until say the week after next? For a lot of people again it is difficult to filter this commentary and debate from the facts of the actual situation here in Japan. I noted in the Christchurch earthquake and similarly with this Japan situation that these crises pose a prime platform for many debates to be returned to the forefront. The urgency to try and have robust discussion about such issues and for commentators to gather mileage on the subject is concerning. This to me often suggests an element of parochialism and a disrespect and/or misunderstanding for the actual situation unfolding. It needs to be made clear that the quake and tsunami damage is localised largely to the east coast of the northern part of Honshu Island around the city of Sendai. Most of the rest of Japan is in a state of “business as usual.” The whole nation is not crumbling as some media outlets would lead their audience to believe. My advice for people with friends and family in Japan is to take the word of their loved one in Japan as the most accurate. If the advice is not to panic or worry, then that is most probably the truth. Many Japanese people are perplexed as to why the rest of the world is panicking so much? Some are beginning to second guess the information sources locally and are wondering whether the rest of the world knows something we don’t. Many of the foreign community are uploading and encouraging others to change their Facebook profile pictures to the poster used by the British Ministry of Information during the Second World War. It simply says “keep calm and carry on.” | ||
Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On March 17 2011 14:33 Souma wrote: All this fearmongering on American news channels... Holy crap I'm so pissed right now. I'm supposed to study abroad in three months and now my dad is telling me not to because of all this bullshit news. Of course, I still plan on going, but it's irritating nonetheless. You live on the Northwest coast at all? If so, tell him, "fuck that, I'm outta' here. Juan De Fuca plate is going tits-up any day now." | ||
sqrt
1210 Posts
China has urged Japan to give prompt and accurate information on its crisis at the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant. Beijing has said it is stopping the approval of any more of its own nuclear power stations until safety standards are reviewed. Wonder what's all this about. News agency aside, doesn't the government supply information directly to China? Are the Chinese getting their information from NHK? 1032: Japanese police were unable to use a water cannon to help release water on the Fukushima nuclear power plant because of high radiation levels, the country's NHK broadcaster reports, according to AFP. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 | ||
dump
Japan514 Posts
On March 17 2011 19:25 Ambulation wrote: Not trying to downplay anything, but I read this article earlier by someone who is currently living in Tokyo and thought people would be interested: + Show Spoiler + MEDIA AND COMMENTARTORS CAUSING A ‘PR’ NIGHTMARE FOR FOREGNERS IN JAPAN 16 March 2011 – Tokyo, Japan – I guess if people hear something often enough they will start to believe it. The international media community are causing a public relations nightmare for foreigners living in quake hit Japan. It would seem that the most exciting images and stories of the quake and devastation which struck the nation last Friday are on a continuous loop. After all, normal people doing normal things doesn’t sell papers! This is causing major headaches for foreigners in Japan having to dedicate time to calming friends and family back home. It would seem that the images and messages being broadcast by the media are contradictory to what we are telling our friends and family. It is disappointing to see that the media have given up in some cases on dedicating their air time to the ‘actual’ and have focused their attention to filling any information vacuums with the ‘potential’. This specifically applies to the nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture. A huge list of ‘experts’ have been contacted and are offering academic and theory based opinions on the subject. In times like this it is difficult for anxious people the world over to filter information and often mistake opinion for fact. Moreover, in many corners of the world the issue of nuclear energy is controversial. I note the nuclear debate in New Zealand has taken on a new lease of life. My question is whether it is important that this debate is needed to be had right at the moment? Is it possible for it to be postponed until say the week after next? For a lot of people again it is difficult to filter this commentary and debate from the facts of the actual situation here in Japan. I noted in the Christchurch earthquake and similarly with this Japan situation that these crises pose a prime platform for many debates to be returned to the forefront. The urgency to try and have robust discussion about such issues and for commentators to gather mileage on the subject is concerning. This to me often suggests an element of parochialism and a disrespect and/or misunderstanding for the actual situation unfolding. It needs to be made clear that the quake and tsunami damage is localised largely to the east coast of the northern part of Honshu Island around the city of Sendai. Most of the rest of Japan is in a state of “business as usual.” The whole nation is not crumbling as some media outlets would lead their audience to believe. My advice for people with friends and family in Japan is to take the word of their loved one in Japan as the most accurate. If the advice is not to panic or worry, then that is most probably the truth. Many Japanese people are perplexed as to why the rest of the world is panicking so much? Some are beginning to second guess the information sources locally and are wondering whether the rest of the world knows something we don’t. Many of the foreign community are uploading and encouraging others to change their Facebook profile pictures to the poster used by the British Ministry of Information during the Second World War. It simply says “keep calm and carry on.” I commented in the original Japanese YouTube upload of the "the nuclear crisis in terms of poo/farts" video that there's nothing in the video that should cause people to be more alarmed or less alarmed, and that because it's easy to understand doesn't mean they've learned anything from it, especially not that the situation is safe. It started off with 20+ thumbs ups, and then it got -1'd all the way to 14, and then it got marked as spam. People only hear what they want to hear. It's really sad, but it's true not just outside of Japan but also in Japan as well. Despite the abundance of information and the knowledge to figure out what there's good reason to believe and what there isn't, people really aren't thinking for themselves. Grown men and women would much rather entrust their judgment to a factually vacant video intended for 5 year olds than read the news. It's dangerous too, when you consider that instead of buying earthquake kits, people in the western Pacific are buying iodide tablets -- which aren't without side effects either. And then there's Tokyo, where everyone's so stocked up on goods that people are traveling 8+ hours by foot to buy groceries. I don't mean to patronize, but people seriously need to stop, calm down, and think. The whole thing's getting out of hand both in the press as well as on the web. </essay> | ||
Ryo
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On March 17 2011 19:57 Ryo wrote: They've started dispensing water from the fire trucks. 1048: Ken Mogi in Tokyo tweets: "Just in: NHK says spraying of water from ground onto reactor abandoned due to operation difficulty and high radiation" edit. heard from NHK just a minute ago, that they have started to use the firetrucks again. | ||
sqrt
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zolthie
Sweden57 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
This makes me so angry. Even though those counters are expensive, none should do something like this while the situation as it is.. Hopefully they aren't doing this to all of the people. | ||
Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On March 17 2011 19:25 Ambulation wrote: Not trying to downplay anything, but I read this article earlier by someone who is currently living in Tokyo and thought people would be interested: + Show Spoiler + MEDIA AND COMMENTARTORS CAUSING A ‘PR’ NIGHTMARE FOR FOREGNERS IN JAPAN 16 March 2011 – Tokyo, Japan – I guess if people hear something often enough they will start to believe it. The international media community are causing a public relations nightmare for foreigners living in quake hit Japan. It would seem that the most exciting images and stories of the quake and devastation which struck the nation last Friday are on a continuous loop. After all, normal people doing normal things doesn’t sell papers! This is causing major headaches for foreigners in Japan having to dedicate time to calming friends and family back home. It would seem that the images and messages being broadcast by the media are contradictory to what we are telling our friends and family. It is disappointing to see that the media have given up in some cases on dedicating their air time to the ‘actual’ and have focused their attention to filling any information vacuums with the ‘potential’. This specifically applies to the nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture. A huge list of ‘experts’ have been contacted and are offering academic and theory based opinions on the subject. In times like this it is difficult for anxious people the world over to filter information and often mistake opinion for fact. Moreover, in many corners of the world the issue of nuclear energy is controversial. I note the nuclear debate in New Zealand has taken on a new lease of life. My question is whether it is important that this debate is needed to be had right at the moment? Is it possible for it to be postponed until say the week after next? For a lot of people again it is difficult to filter this commentary and debate from the facts of the actual situation here in Japan. I noted in the Christchurch earthquake and similarly with this Japan situation that these crises pose a prime platform for many debates to be returned to the forefront. The urgency to try and have robust discussion about such issues and for commentators to gather mileage on the subject is concerning. This to me often suggests an element of parochialism and a disrespect and/or misunderstanding for the actual situation unfolding. It needs to be made clear that the quake and tsunami damage is localised largely to the east coast of the northern part of Honshu Island around the city of Sendai. Most of the rest of Japan is in a state of “business as usual.” The whole nation is not crumbling as some media outlets would lead their audience to believe. My advice for people with friends and family in Japan is to take the word of their loved one in Japan as the most accurate. If the advice is not to panic or worry, then that is most probably the truth. Many Japanese people are perplexed as to why the rest of the world is panicking so much? Some are beginning to second guess the information sources locally and are wondering whether the rest of the world knows something we don’t. Many of the foreign community are uploading and encouraging others to change their Facebook profile pictures to the poster used by the British Ministry of Information during the Second World War. It simply says “keep calm and carry on.” Great article, I advice my girl friend to stay in Tokyo and work as usual. Some people may think I am weird or too naive, but untill the Japanese panic, foreigners in the last one that need to panic. But fearmongering always generate alot of money so its not surprise the media all over the world spread the fear and "herd" people to buy un-neccessary things. | ||
hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Still, iodine tablets have been sold out in Finland as well. Finnish officials ask Finnish people to leave Japan. | ||
Ryo
8787 Posts
On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote: If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. | ||
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