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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
March 17 2011 08:18 GMT
#3361
I agree, BBC is great and far more accurate than japanese state media/iaea (downplaying) or other western media (hyping)
chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
March 17 2011 08:21 GMT
#3362
Yeah I agree the live update thing the BBC is running is excellent. Very good mix of news and email/twitter stuff. Very well done.
Dance those ultras
Sanctimonius
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom861 Posts
March 17 2011 08:22 GMT
#3363
@soskoas - yeah I've been paying attention the the BBC feed very closely, it's one of the few news services that seems to be paying attention to facts and taking efforts to put things into context unlike other major news services. But that's the BBC, tbh. They tend to be informative and know what they are talking about unlike some others. I know what the situation is like right now, I'm in contact with people all across the prefecture. I have hourly information about radiation and I know what those detected levels are equivalent to. Simply having this information seems to have put me ahead of 95% of the news across the world, and a hell of a lot more calm than they are being.
You live the life you choose.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 08:28:22
March 17 2011 08:25 GMT
#3364
On March 17 2011 17:18 Rflcrx wrote:
I agree, BBC is great and far more accurate than japanese state media/iaea (downplaying) or other western media (hyping)


Usually BBC, Reuters and Al Jazeera are the best out there. Agreed completely with bbc.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
FoBuLouS
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States570 Posts
March 17 2011 09:04 GMT
#3365
To all the TL'ers on the west coast:
Please please PLEASE watch this:


If that guy is right, and he does sound convincing, please be prepared for any type of earthquake. I don't want people getting hurt . Make sure you guys have extra supplies and stuff just incase!

User was warned for this post
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
March 17 2011 09:08 GMT
#3366
On March 17 2011 18:04 FoBuLouS wrote:
To all the TL'ers on the west coast:
Please please PLEASE watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQXDt4VdS0E&feature=player_embedded

If that guy is right, and he does sound convincing, please be prepared for any type of earthquake. I don't want people getting hurt . Make sure you guys have extra supplies and stuff just incase!

Please take that BS elsewhere. Start a blog or something...
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 17 2011 09:12 GMT
#3367
On March 17 2011 18:04 FoBuLouS wrote:
To all the TL'ers on the west coast:
Please please PLEASE watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQXDt4VdS0E&feature=player_embedded

If that guy is right, and he does sound convincing, please be prepared for any type of earthquake. I don't want people getting hurt . Make sure you guys have extra supplies and stuff just incase!


The "supermoon" hypothesis. It's been debunked -- it's supposed to be strongest during a full moon or new moon, but the quake hit right in between.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1365225/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Did-supermoon-cause-todays-natural-disaster.html

"Dr David Harland, space historian and author, said: 'It's possible that the moon may be a kilometre or two closer to Earth than normal at a perigee, but it's an utterly insignificant event.'"

http://seismo.berkeley.edu/faq/planets.html

That said, we're not very well prepared here, and we are on the ring of fire -- so we probably should get started.
Ambulation
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
126 Posts
March 17 2011 10:25 GMT
#3368
Not trying to downplay anything, but I read this article earlier by someone who is currently living in Tokyo and thought people would be interested:

+ Show Spoiler +
MEDIA AND COMMENTARTORS CAUSING A ‘PR’ NIGHTMARE FOR FOREGNERS IN JAPAN

16 March 2011 – Tokyo, Japan – I guess if people hear something often enough they will start to believe it. The international media community are causing a public relations nightmare for foreigners living in quake hit Japan. It would seem that the most exciting images and stories of the quake and devastation which struck the nation last Friday are on a continuous loop. After all, normal people doing normal things doesn’t sell papers!

This is causing major headaches for foreigners in Japan having to dedicate time to calming friends and family back home. It would seem that the images and messages being broadcast by the media are contradictory to what we are telling our friends and family.

It is disappointing to see that the media have given up in some cases on dedicating their air time to the ‘actual’ and have focused their attention to filling any information vacuums with the ‘potential’. This specifically applies to the nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture. A huge list of ‘experts’ have been contacted and are offering academic and theory based opinions on the subject. In times like this it is difficult for anxious people the world over to filter information and often mistake opinion for fact.

Moreover, in many corners of the world the issue of nuclear energy is controversial. I note the nuclear debate in New Zealand has taken on a new lease of life. My question is whether it is important that this debate is needed to be had right at the moment? Is it possible for it to be postponed until say the week after next? For a lot of people again it is difficult to filter this commentary and debate from the facts of the actual situation here in Japan.

I noted in the Christchurch earthquake and similarly with this Japan situation that these crises pose a prime platform for many debates to be returned to the forefront. The urgency to try and have robust discussion about such issues and for commentators to gather mileage on the subject is concerning. This to me often suggests an element of parochialism and a disrespect and/or misunderstanding for the actual situation unfolding.

It needs to be made clear that the quake and tsunami damage is localised largely to the east coast of the northern part of Honshu Island around the city of Sendai. Most of the rest of Japan is in a state of “business as usual.” The whole nation is not crumbling as some media outlets would lead their audience to believe. My advice for people with friends and family in Japan is to take the word of their loved one in Japan as the most accurate. If the advice is not to panic or worry, then that is most probably the truth.

Many Japanese people are perplexed as to why the rest of the world is panicking so much? Some are beginning to second guess the information sources locally and are wondering whether the rest of the world knows something we don’t.

Many of the foreign community are uploading and encouraging others to change their Facebook profile pictures to the poster used by the British Ministry of Information during the Second World War. It simply says “keep calm and carry on.”
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
March 17 2011 10:40 GMT
#3369
On March 17 2011 14:33 Souma wrote:
All this fearmongering on American news channels... Holy crap I'm so pissed right now. I'm supposed to study abroad in three months and now my dad is telling me not to because of all this bullshit news.

Of course, I still plan on going, but it's irritating nonetheless.

You live on the Northwest coast at all? If so, tell him, "fuck that, I'm outta' here. Juan De Fuca plate is going tits-up any day now."
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 17 2011 10:46 GMT
#3370
China has urged Japan to give prompt and accurate information on its crisis at the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant. Beijing has said it is stopping the approval of any more of its own nuclear power stations until safety standards are reviewed.


Wonder what's all this about. News agency aside, doesn't the government supply information directly to China? Are the Chinese getting their information from NHK?

1032: Japanese police were unable to use a water cannon to help release water on the Fukushima nuclear power plant because of high radiation levels, the country's NHK broadcaster reports, according to AFP.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
@
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 10:55:55
March 17 2011 10:53 GMT
#3371
On March 17 2011 19:25 Ambulation wrote:
Not trying to downplay anything, but I read this article earlier by someone who is currently living in Tokyo and thought people would be interested:

+ Show Spoiler +
MEDIA AND COMMENTARTORS CAUSING A ‘PR’ NIGHTMARE FOR FOREGNERS IN JAPAN

16 March 2011 – Tokyo, Japan – I guess if people hear something often enough they will start to believe it. The international media community are causing a public relations nightmare for foreigners living in quake hit Japan. It would seem that the most exciting images and stories of the quake and devastation which struck the nation last Friday are on a continuous loop. After all, normal people doing normal things doesn’t sell papers!

This is causing major headaches for foreigners in Japan having to dedicate time to calming friends and family back home. It would seem that the images and messages being broadcast by the media are contradictory to what we are telling our friends and family.

It is disappointing to see that the media have given up in some cases on dedicating their air time to the ‘actual’ and have focused their attention to filling any information vacuums with the ‘potential’. This specifically applies to the nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture. A huge list of ‘experts’ have been contacted and are offering academic and theory based opinions on the subject. In times like this it is difficult for anxious people the world over to filter information and often mistake opinion for fact.

Moreover, in many corners of the world the issue of nuclear energy is controversial. I note the nuclear debate in New Zealand has taken on a new lease of life. My question is whether it is important that this debate is needed to be had right at the moment? Is it possible for it to be postponed until say the week after next? For a lot of people again it is difficult to filter this commentary and debate from the facts of the actual situation here in Japan.

I noted in the Christchurch earthquake and similarly with this Japan situation that these crises pose a prime platform for many debates to be returned to the forefront. The urgency to try and have robust discussion about such issues and for commentators to gather mileage on the subject is concerning. This to me often suggests an element of parochialism and a disrespect and/or misunderstanding for the actual situation unfolding.

It needs to be made clear that the quake and tsunami damage is localised largely to the east coast of the northern part of Honshu Island around the city of Sendai. Most of the rest of Japan is in a state of “business as usual.” The whole nation is not crumbling as some media outlets would lead their audience to believe. My advice for people with friends and family in Japan is to take the word of their loved one in Japan as the most accurate. If the advice is not to panic or worry, then that is most probably the truth.

Many Japanese people are perplexed as to why the rest of the world is panicking so much? Some are beginning to second guess the information sources locally and are wondering whether the rest of the world knows something we don’t.

Many of the foreign community are uploading and encouraging others to change their Facebook profile pictures to the poster used by the British Ministry of Information during the Second World War. It simply says “keep calm and carry on.”


I commented in the original Japanese YouTube upload of the "the nuclear crisis in terms of poo/farts" video that there's nothing in the video that should cause people to be more alarmed or less alarmed, and that because it's easy to understand doesn't mean they've learned anything from it, especially not that the situation is safe.

It started off with 20+ thumbs ups, and then it got -1'd all the way to 14, and then it got marked as spam.

People only hear what they want to hear. It's really sad, but it's true not just outside of Japan but also in Japan as well.

Despite the abundance of information and the knowledge to figure out what there's good reason to believe and what there isn't, people really aren't thinking for themselves. Grown men and women would much rather entrust their judgment to a factually vacant video intended for 5 year olds than read the news.

It's dangerous too, when you consider that instead of buying earthquake kits, people in the western Pacific are buying iodide tablets -- which aren't without side effects either. And then there's Tokyo, where everyone's so stocked up on goods that people are traveling 8+ hours by foot to buy groceries.

I don't mean to patronize, but people seriously need to stop, calm down, and think. The whole thing's getting out of hand both in the press as well as on the web.

</essay>
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
March 17 2011 10:57 GMT
#3372
They've started dispensing water from the fire trucks.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 11:12:35
March 17 2011 11:10 GMT
#3373
On March 17 2011 19:57 Ryo wrote:
They've started dispensing water from the fire trucks.


1048: Ken Mogi in Tokyo tweets: "Just in: NHK says spraying of water from ground onto reactor abandoned due to operation difficulty and high radiation"

edit. heard from NHK just a minute ago, that they have started to use the firetrucks again.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 17 2011 11:17 GMT
#3374
BBC stream: supplies are running out
@
zolthie
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden57 Posts
March 17 2011 11:19 GMT
#3375
They can only waterbomb for so long, they don't got enough people who can fly the helicopters so they can't rotate the shifts like they do on the ground.
stfu
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42394 Posts
March 17 2011 11:21 GMT
#3376
T"he BBC's Tim Wilcox, in Tokyo, says that some people in the city are capitalising on the crisis. He spoke to one UK-born banker who lives in the city who said he was being quoted £1,500 ($2,400) to buy his own geiger counter."

This makes me so angry. Even though those counters are expensive, none should do something like this while the situation as it is.. Hopefully they aren't doing this to all of the people.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 17 2011 11:24 GMT
#3377
On March 17 2011 19:25 Ambulation wrote:
Not trying to downplay anything, but I read this article earlier by someone who is currently living in Tokyo and thought people would be interested:

+ Show Spoiler +
MEDIA AND COMMENTARTORS CAUSING A ‘PR’ NIGHTMARE FOR FOREGNERS IN JAPAN

16 March 2011 – Tokyo, Japan – I guess if people hear something often enough they will start to believe it. The international media community are causing a public relations nightmare for foreigners living in quake hit Japan. It would seem that the most exciting images and stories of the quake and devastation which struck the nation last Friday are on a continuous loop. After all, normal people doing normal things doesn’t sell papers!

This is causing major headaches for foreigners in Japan having to dedicate time to calming friends and family back home. It would seem that the images and messages being broadcast by the media are contradictory to what we are telling our friends and family.

It is disappointing to see that the media have given up in some cases on dedicating their air time to the ‘actual’ and have focused their attention to filling any information vacuums with the ‘potential’. This specifically applies to the nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture. A huge list of ‘experts’ have been contacted and are offering academic and theory based opinions on the subject. In times like this it is difficult for anxious people the world over to filter information and often mistake opinion for fact.

Moreover, in many corners of the world the issue of nuclear energy is controversial. I note the nuclear debate in New Zealand has taken on a new lease of life. My question is whether it is important that this debate is needed to be had right at the moment? Is it possible for it to be postponed until say the week after next? For a lot of people again it is difficult to filter this commentary and debate from the facts of the actual situation here in Japan.

I noted in the Christchurch earthquake and similarly with this Japan situation that these crises pose a prime platform for many debates to be returned to the forefront. The urgency to try and have robust discussion about such issues and for commentators to gather mileage on the subject is concerning. This to me often suggests an element of parochialism and a disrespect and/or misunderstanding for the actual situation unfolding.

It needs to be made clear that the quake and tsunami damage is localised largely to the east coast of the northern part of Honshu Island around the city of Sendai. Most of the rest of Japan is in a state of “business as usual.” The whole nation is not crumbling as some media outlets would lead their audience to believe. My advice for people with friends and family in Japan is to take the word of their loved one in Japan as the most accurate. If the advice is not to panic or worry, then that is most probably the truth.

Many Japanese people are perplexed as to why the rest of the world is panicking so much? Some are beginning to second guess the information sources locally and are wondering whether the rest of the world knows something we don’t.

Many of the foreign community are uploading and encouraging others to change their Facebook profile pictures to the poster used by the British Ministry of Information during the Second World War. It simply says “keep calm and carry on.”


Great article, I advice my girl friend to stay in Tokyo and work as usual. Some people may think I am weird or too naive, but untill the Japanese panic, foreigners in the last one that need to panic.

But fearmongering always generate alot of money so its not surprise the media all over the world spread the fear and "herd" people to buy un-neccessary things.
Terran
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 17 2011 11:50 GMT
#3378
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2011 11:54 GMT
#3379
According to Finnish experts, even in the absolute worst-case scenario with the nuclear power plant the only affected country would be Japan.

Still, iodine tablets have been sold out in Finland as well.

Finnish officials ask Finnish people to leave Japan.
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
March 17 2011 12:00 GMT
#3380
On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully

They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too.
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