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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too.
That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power?
Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold.
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Loved that article posted above about media panic.
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On March 17 2011 21:13 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power? Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold.
There's also another problem. Even if they succeed with pumping water to end the immediate threat the reactors will still need to be fixed/rebuilt because they were using sea water in them earlier, effectively rendering them useless/breaking them down further.
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"12.14pm: A Tepco official has told a press conference in Japan that radiation levels at the site soon after 9.30 am were at 3,750 millisieverts per hour, Ian Sample has just told me. "These are absolutely dangerous levels," Ian said."
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On March 17 2011 21:25 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:13 Consolidate wrote:On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power? Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold. There's also another problem. Even if they succeed with pumping water to end the immediate threat the reactors will still need to be fixed/rebuilt because they were using sea water in them earlier, effectively rendering them useless/breaking them down further.
Quite frankly, I think that would be the least troublesome problem Japan would have if their efforts to cool the reactors down succeed.
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On March 17 2011 21:25 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:13 Consolidate wrote:On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power? Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold. There's also another problem. Even if they succeed with pumping water to end the immediate threat the reactors will still need to be fixed/rebuilt because they were using sea water in them earlier, effectively rendering them useless/breaking them down further.
It's pretty established that they will be permanently shut down, from what I've read.
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Tepco says electric power in the plant will be restored tomorrow at the earliest. I hope that will fix any immediate danger and make it possible to handle the situation calmly after that.
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More aftershocks being felt. 4 in Chiba prefecture, 3 in central Tokyo.
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On March 17 2011 21:28 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:25 Manit0u wrote:On March 17 2011 21:13 Consolidate wrote:On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power? Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold. There's also another problem. Even if they succeed with pumping water to end the immediate threat the reactors will still need to be fixed/rebuilt because they were using sea water in them earlier, effectively rendering them useless/breaking them down further. It's pretty established that they will be permanently shut down, from what I've read.
Well, that's the problem in on itself, isn't it? Japan does seem to suffer from power shortage now and closing down a power plant definitely won't help this.
How long does it take to build a new nuclear plant like that?
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On March 17 2011 21:35 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:28 Shikyo wrote:On March 17 2011 21:25 Manit0u wrote:On March 17 2011 21:13 Consolidate wrote:On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power? Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold. There's also another problem. Even if they succeed with pumping water to end the immediate threat the reactors will still need to be fixed/rebuilt because they were using sea water in them earlier, effectively rendering them useless/breaking them down further. It's pretty established that they will be permanently shut down, from what I've read. Well, that's the problem in on itself, isn't it? Japan does seem to suffer from power shortage now and closing down a power plant definitely won't help this. How long does it take to build a new nuclear plant like that?
If I remember correctly, they were already planning to shut down these reactors in the next few years. Even if this was a brand new power plant, it's not nearly as big as the problems they are facing now. The reason of the current black out is probally multiple power plants that are not functioning right now.
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On March 17 2011 21:35 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:28 Shikyo wrote:On March 17 2011 21:25 Manit0u wrote:On March 17 2011 21:13 Consolidate wrote:On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power? Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold. There's also another problem. Even if they succeed with pumping water to end the immediate threat the reactors will still need to be fixed/rebuilt because they were using sea water in them earlier, effectively rendering them useless/breaking them down further. It's pretty established that they will be permanently shut down, from what I've read. Well, that's the problem in on itself, isn't it? Japan does seem to suffer from power shortage now and closing down a power plant definitely won't help this. How long does it take to build a new nuclear plant like that?
They will certainly not use the Fukushima plant to actually produce power anytime soon, if ever again. There were explosions and radiation leaks, you know. The plant was scheduled to be permanently shut down this month anyway due to its age, I'm sure they planned for the required capacities beforehand. I'd imagine the current problem is not that insufficient power is produced but that lots of power lines are damaged. A power outage and therefore lack of cooling is what caused the troubles at Fukushima in the first place.
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Fenrax
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edit: completely wrong thread
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Japan will probably turn it down, considering they've already asked the US for help and have already turned down the Russians once already.
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""Power cable to the #Fukushima Daiichi No.1 Nuclear power plant is connected. #Japan""
Says http://twitter.com/TepcoDisaster. Waiting for confirmation. :-)
Confirmed:
"• A power cable has been reconnected to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, according to Tokyo Electric Power Company. It is unclear if the plant has electricity yet, however, with Tepco saying more work is needed "to restore electricity equipment" tomorrow."
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Russian Federation1894 Posts
GMT time
9:49
DJ: Japan Edano Calls For More Efforts To Save Electricity To Avoid Blackouts
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10:23
DJ: Japan Police: Quake, Tsunami Death Toll At 5,457, Missing At 9,508 As Of 0900 GMT
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10:38
DJ: Japan Upper House Head Suggests Closing Markets - Kyodo
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10:51
DJ: Japan METI: Electricity Use Fell Sharply After Govt Called On Citizens To Save Power Around Noon
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10:53
DJ: Japan METI: Cuts In Train Usage Has Helped Saved Electricity
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10:54
DJ: Japan Self-Defence Forces Start Fukushima Reactor Water Cannon Cooling Operations- NHK
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10:56
DJ: Japan METI: Have Yet To Hear From Tepco About Electricity Supplies Tomorrow
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10:58
DJ: Australia, N.Z. Urge Nationals To Stay 80 Km Outside Crippled Reactors - Kyodo
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11:18
DJ: Second Round Of Cooling By Japan Self Defense Forces Starts
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11:31
DJ: Tokyo Bourse: To Remain Open Even In Case Of Blackout
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11:33
DJ: Japan METI: Massive Tokyo Blackout May Be Avoided Under Current Demand Level
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11:37
DJ: Japan Nuclear Agency: Too Early To Say How Successful Water Cooling Operation Was
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11:38
DJ: Tepco: Radiation Level Rises After Water Shot At Troubled Reactor - Kyodo
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11:38
DJ: Japan Nuclear Agency: 5 Of 6 Water Self-Defense Water Cannons Complete Cooling Process By 1107 GMT
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11:40
DJ: Japan Nuclear Agency: Cooling Process By Police Completed By 1013 GMT
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11:40
DJ: Japan Nuclear Agency: Radiation Level Around Reactors Over 300 Feet High, 87.7 Milisieverts
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11:44
DJ: Tepco: Radiation After Helicopter Cooling Operations Rose To 4000 Mircosieverts From 3700 Microsieverts-Kyodo
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11:49
DJ: Tepco: Plans To Spray Water On Storage Pools Of Other Reactors, In Addition To No. 3
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11:53
DJ: Tepco: Planning To Install Multiple 300,000kw Gas Turbines - Nikkei
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12:14
DJ: Tepco: Power Cable To Fukushima Plant Connected - Kyodo
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12:20
DJ: CORRECT: Japan Nuclear Agency: All Water Self-Defense Water Cannons Complete Cooling Process By 1107 GMT
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12:22
DJ: Tepco: Water Shots Effective In Cooling Fuel Pool As Steam Rose - Kyodo
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12:34
DJ: Quake Centered In Chiba Prefecture, Near Tokyo
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12:36
DJ: Latest Quake Has 5.8 Magnitude, No Tsunami Warning Issued
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12:42
DJ: Tepco: Radiation Level At Fukushima Daiichi Plant 3600 Microsieverts After Cooling Operations - Kyodo
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13:06
DJ: Agency: Satellite Photo Shows Smoke Emitted Also From No. 2 Reactor - Kyodo
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Russian Federation1894 Posts
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13:15
DJ: Tepco: Spraying Water By Helicopter, Pumper Produced Some Results, But Radiation Level Little Changed Near Reactor No. 3
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13:16
DJMN: OECD Nuclear Energy Chief: Japan Nuclear Crisis Information "Reasonable"
(MORE TO FOLLOW) Dow Jones Newswires
March 17, 2011 09:16 ET (13:16 GMT)
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This shit is starting to worry even me now. Me and a friend evacuated to Kobe yesterday...
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On March 17 2011 21:31 Scorch wrote:
Tepco says electric power in the plant will be restored tomorrow at the earliest. I hope that will fix any immediate danger and make it possible to handle the situation calmly after that.
Not necessarily. It will make cooling much easier, but it's not a 100% solution.
On March 17 2011 21:35 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 21:28 Shikyo wrote:On March 17 2011 21:25 Manit0u wrote:On March 17 2011 21:13 Consolidate wrote:On March 17 2011 21:00 Ryo wrote:On March 17 2011 20:50 hugman wrote:
If the fire trucks succeed the worst should be over, hopefully They're also working to restore power lines around the reactor. Hopefully that will be successful too. That's the big/permanent fix I think. Though I wonder if the water pumps are mechanically damaged or just without power? Hopefully some of this hysteria will end once they get the power back up. The news of people around the world buying potassium iodide is pretty retarded. Japanese markets are down something like 22% - definitely oversold. There's also another problem. Even if they succeed with pumping water to end the immediate threat the reactors will still need to be fixed/rebuilt because they were using sea water in them earlier, effectively rendering them useless/breaking them down further. It's pretty established that they will be permanently shut down, from what I've read. Well, that's the problem in on itself, isn't it? Japan does seem to suffer from power shortage now and closing down a power plant definitely won't help this. How long does it take to build a new nuclear plant like that?
It takes awhile to build a nuclear power plant, from planning / testing to building.
If all their other plants worked, they'd be 100% fine without the power plant, but it's not just this power plant's production that is the sole cause of their blackouts. You've got problems at other plants plus a massive earthquake / tsunami that almost certainly broke the delivery infrastructure in large places.
The Nikkei's off a little over 10%. It rallied back significantly.
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