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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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On March 14 2011 05:53 pidikun wrote:
Please stop that - 8.8, 8.9, 9.0 magnitudes makes no difference!
Sometimes some comments really %&%§$% me off.
Unlike some other countries, people in japan cares about each other and not over some
calculated magnitude numbers...
Well, 9.0 is twice as powerful as 8.8 so in my opinion it makes quite a difference.
Finnish news says that all reactors are stable for now.
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2227: Radiation levels at Fukushima 1 nuclear plant have again topped legal limits, Kyodo News network says.
Does that mean the radiation levels had been returned to normal already around the Fukushima plant? Because that's not how I interpreted what swedish news are reporting for instance.
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I haven't seen that. It's amazing and frightening to see the actual earth splitting like that!
Nature is not to be taken lightly...
I've never seen something like this before.
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That is so incredibly freaky. It's like disturbing to watch for some reason. So unnatural. Really freaked me out, like a crazy uh oh feeling.
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That ground cracking video is disturbing :O
http://twitter.com/#!/marcysensei/status/47063440551976961
Reactor 1 stabilized, Reactor 2 still to vent gas, React 3 with some risk of explosion.TBS ( #JNN_jishin live at http://ustre.am/kJ3E)
Apparently translated from the streamed news channel, but I have no idea how up to date it is.
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On March 14 2011 08:19 JanB wrote:
You might want to add that explosion means a hydrogen oxygen explosion like the one that happened with reactor 1. This means that even then the containment of the reactor should stay intact
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On March 14 2011 07:19 gruff wrote:I must say it looks quite surreal when the buildings suddenly starts floating away.
Wow, I always thought of a Tsunami as a singular wave that did its damage on the spot, but the water just keeps coming for minutes. These videos are so depressing, my heart goes out to the japanese people
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On March 14 2011 08:06 JanB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 07:19 gruff wrote:I must say it looks quite surreal when the buildings suddenly starts floating away. Wow, I always thought of a Tsunami as a singular wave that did its damage on the spot, but the water just keeps coming for minutes. These videos are so depressing, my heart goes out to the japanese people
Part of the revelation that the earthquake was in fact 9.0 was that it was also 3 consecutive earthquakes rather than just one large one. I think that made the tsunamis even worse.
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You might want to add that explosion means a hydrogen oxygen explosion like the one that happened with reactor 1. This means that even then the containment of the reactor should stay intact
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certain thougths about the actual nuclear situation.
after 2 reactors, now 5 seem to have problems. at least one was releasing radioactive material. one lost its outer building frame. another one might happen the same.
conclusion: 2 reactors are lost to normal function and normal failsave procedure. meaning pumps are not working, normal cooling circular is destroyed. what does that mean. if the normal cooling circular breaks, the inner circular water water disappears and starts to heat and produce hydrogene. this hydrogene can let be out and get to explode like it happened in one reactor to kick of the outer building. sadly hydrogene cannot cool down very well, so they floode the next surrounding shell with sea water. now within the reactor there are still megawats of uranium producing heat, so hot that it cannot be cooled by water. physically melt down means everything below it disappears, until it energy producing process is done. that is, if the material concentration is weakened, or the reaction material is altered due to radioactive half-time.
and this could be LOOOOONG.
atm there is no explosion like in chernobyl to be feared. Why? in chernobyl there was a grahpyte superheat burning on the way enabling an explosion bursting the inner shell making ashes of fallout go up into high atmoshpere. in japan, inner shells are close and there is till now, althow meltdown is happening, no such heat processes like in chernobyl.
why do i consider meltdown? because flooding with seawater outer shells only ok if the inner security failed already. same as a hydrogen explosion is only possible if the inner safety is alread at fail. this is only realistic if meltdown if happening. what does melt down mean? the reactor is out of control. but the speed is not set to a hard value. it could happen very slow, it can happen very fast. if it happens slow enough, it is possible to be controlled by a certain amount of cooling. so every thing is pretty on the edge. dont feel to sure, but also dont go too crazy.
this is what i think. i wish the best to all of us. this is a tragedy to mankind.
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On March 13 2011 16:31 dump wrote:Hey guys, I think I know how we can help. I work for a Japanese community magazine here in Vancouver called The Fraser, and we've agreed to run a fundraiser for a physician/psychiatrist/philanthropist named Dr. Norihiko Kuwayama. He runs a hospital in Miyagi, where the brunt of the tsunami damage is -- if you look at the second photo in that post, there's a new lake that's formed, wherein there are no doubt countless bodies. Normally he travels around ravaged places like Gaza and Cambodia as a volunteer doctor/therapist or touring Japan to spread awareness of those places, but right now obviously he's helping with the carnage just outside his door. The nurses are AWOL -- no word on why, but I doubt many of us here can help with that. Anyway, he's also asking for monetary support for supplies and equipment to treat the patients, as clearly in that post you can see much of it has been destroyed. He has a bank account open in Japan, but from what I understand, wiring money to Japan from abroad can be a bit of a drag. So this is where we're helping out: we're going to gather as much money as we can here in Vancouver (possibly using PayPal or whatever is the most convenient and transparent), and we're going to handle the logistics of delivering it to the doctor and to anyone else that needs it -- though I'm pretty sure the hospital is going to be out of money for the foreseeable future. Anyone interested in donating or helping with the logistics/marketing? We want to do this as transparently as possible, because there's understandably a lot of concern regarding what share the recipients are actually getting.
I'm going to be attend a meeting with the Vancouver arm of his non-profit organization tomorrow, so I'll mention the concerns we've been having here about donating. We'll try to figure out the most effective/confident way to transfer donations.
I'm thinking we should donate through Seaquam High School here in Vancouver where he held an awareness event last year. It's pretty easy to hold a high school accountable, since it's a public institution.
Either way I'll most likely be translating all of his communications, so I'll keep you all informed.
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On March 14 2011 08:27 dump wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 16:31 dump wrote:Hey guys, I think I know how we can help. I work for a Japanese community magazine here in Vancouver called The Fraser, and we've agreed to run a fundraiser for a physician/psychiatrist/philanthropist named Dr. Norihiko Kuwayama. He runs a hospital in Miyagi, where the brunt of the tsunami damage is -- if you look at the second photo in that post, there's a new lake that's formed, wherein there are no doubt countless bodies. Normally he travels around ravaged places like Gaza and Cambodia as a volunteer doctor/therapist or touring Japan to spread awareness of those places, but right now obviously he's helping with the carnage just outside his door. The nurses are AWOL -- no word on why, but I doubt many of us here can help with that. Anyway, he's also asking for monetary support for supplies and equipment to treat the patients, as clearly in that post you can see much of it has been destroyed. He has a bank account open in Japan, but from what I understand, wiring money to Japan from abroad can be a bit of a drag. So this is where we're helping out: we're going to gather as much money as we can here in Vancouver (possibly using PayPal or whatever is the most convenient and transparent), and we're going to handle the logistics of delivering it to the doctor and to anyone else that needs it -- though I'm pretty sure the hospital is going to be out of money for the foreseeable future. Anyone interested in donating or helping with the logistics/marketing? We want to do this as transparently as possible, because there's understandably a lot of concern regarding what share the recipients are actually getting. I'm going to be attend a meeting with the Vancouver arm of his non-profit organization tomorrow, so I'll mention the concerns we've been having here about donating. We'll try to figure out the most effective/confident way to transfer donations. I'm thinking we should donate through Seaquam High School here in Vancouver where he held an awareness event last year. It's pretty easy to hold a high school accountable, since it's a public institution. Either way I'll most likely be translating all of his communications, so I'll keep you all informed.
Okay, awesome. As soon as you get it figured out, PM me or something so I can donate securely with reassurance. I'm a student so I don't have much to offer, but I want to try and do my part.
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Holy shit tha wave breaking was terrifying. That much water can easily destroy even the sturdiest residential or office building. Wow.
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I hope my Japanese friend is okay.
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On March 14 2011 07:55 AXygnus wrote:Holy shit...
Wow, and to think it's actually real and not some holywood movie.
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as u can imagine things here are pretty much tense..., even in places far away from the epicenter, because of the nuclear plant going down.., electricity will be distributed on a time-based system... nothing really much on that but it seems some of the japanese are panic-buying on supplies... i heard tokyo is sold out on basics like water batts and cup noodles... not sure but i think even the highways on some places are on lockdown..:
guess all we can do is pray and hope for the best for the people who really is facing this catastrophe 1st hand... and God Bless all the people who wake up in the morning trying to make a change...
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On March 14 2011 10:02 ChromeK wrote:
as u can imagine things here are pretty much tense..., even in places far away from the epicenter, because of the nuclear plant going down.., electricity will be distributed on a time-based system... nothing really much on that but it seems some of the japanese are panic-buying on supplies... i heard tokyo is sold out on basics like water batts and cup noodles... not sure but i think even the highways on some places are on lockdown..:
guess all we can do is pray and hope for the best for the people who really is facing this catastrophe 1st hand... and God Bless all the people who wake up in the morning trying to make a change...
Yeah, from what I hear the highways even in Osaka have been shut down. It's crazy.
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