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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
pidikun
Profile Joined October 2010
Japan22 Posts
March 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#2001
Please stop that - 8.8, 8.9, 9.0 magnitudes makes no difference!
Sometimes some comments really %&%§$% me off.
Unlike some other countries, people in japan cares about each other and not over some
calculated magnitude numbers...
Two hours of trial and error can save ten minutes of manual reading.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
March 13 2011 21:05 GMT
#2002
On March 14 2011 05:53 pidikun wrote:
Please stop that - 8.8, 8.9, 9.0 magnitudes makes no difference!
Sometimes some comments really %&%§$% me off.
Unlike some other countries, people in japan cares about each other and not over some
calculated magnitude numbers...


I quite agree this. In fact I thought the initial breaking news coverage to be quite confusing and poorly done. It seemed that media outlets/broadcasting stations were trying to exaggerate the extent of the true magnitude of the earthquake. For example the anchor would say "8.9 earthquake" and the caption says 7.9 while the embedded live footage from NHK says 8.8. This was also true for the death toll. I recall the cbc anchor claiming that "over 1000 confirmed dead" and they switch to a japanese correspondent who is like "160 confirmed dead, 650+ missing".
Desti
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
March 13 2011 21:05 GMT
#2003
2042: Professor Patrick Regan, radiation and environmental protection expert from Surrey University, has told the BBC that it appears none of the secure vessels holding radioactive material at the reactors in Japan has broken, and "it looks like the worst is over".


dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 21:09:27
March 13 2011 21:07 GMT
#2004
On March 14 2011 05:53 pidikun wrote:
Please stop that - 8.8, 8.9, 9.0 magnitudes makes no difference!
Sometimes some comments really %&%§$% me off.
Unlike some other countries, people in japan cares about each other and not over some
calculated magnitude numbers...


The magnitude is a necessary factor in calculating the risk and magnitude of impending aftershocks. It's more important than one might think.

Right now, according to NHK, as of the reclassification from 8.8 to 9.0 (USGS measured 8.9; Japan measured 8.8), it's estimated that there's a 70% risk of another M7+ in the next 2 days, and a 50% risk in the 3 days following.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 21:09:19
March 13 2011 21:08 GMT
#2005
whoops double post
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 21:11:20
March 13 2011 21:09 GMT
#2006
On March 14 2011 05:53 pidikun wrote:
Please stop that - 8.8, 8.9, 9.0 magnitudes makes no difference!
Sometimes some comments really %&%§$% me off.
Unlike some other countries, people in japan cares about each other and not over some
calculated magnitude numbers...

Looking through the posts you are referring to, none of the posters are downplaying how this has affected the japanese people. You have a point when saying that "small" diffrences in magnitude make little difference when you look at the big picture. But the fact that the numbers posted by certain organisations are different, is centainly mentionworthy - especially in this thread.

And lastly, no one has said that japanese people don't care about each other, from what I've read, the opposite actually seems to be the case. So, I feel like "Unlike some other countries", is an unfair and unnecessary comment to make.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 13 2011 21:13 GMT
#2007
On March 14 2011 06:07 dump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 05:53 pidikun wrote:
Please stop that - 8.8, 8.9, 9.0 magnitudes makes no difference!
Sometimes some comments really %&%§$% me off.
Unlike some other countries, people in japan cares about each other and not over some
calculated magnitude numbers...


The magnitude is a necessary factor in calculating the risk and magnitude of impending aftershocks. It's more important than one might think.

Right now, according to NHK, as of the reclassification from 8.8 to 9.0 (USGS measured 8.9; Japan measured 8.8), it's estimated that there's a 70% risk of another M7+ in the next 2 days, and a 50% risk in the 3 days following.

Hurricane Katrina, a category 4 hurricane, did much more damage than most category 5 hurricanes.

Just to show that numbers can be wrong.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 13 2011 21:13 GMT
#2008
On March 14 2011 02:27 LanTAs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 01:49 FLu wrote:
Doesn't Uran split into Cesium and if, doesn't cesium have a long half-life? What if this gets out?


Cesium has a half life of about thirty years i believe... any of that crap coming out will lead to long term health effects like cancer, and some other thingies.

Daiichi reactor exploded 0.0 yesterday, trying to find source, i read it on the newspaper

EDIT:bingo!
LATIMES another reactor fails

And aparently the core of the reactor is still... intact?


Some rods have partially melted, and there's a small amount of cesium/iodine in the air right now. A few hundred people have been exposed, and they're being treated for iodine exposure as a precaution, though at 1,015uSv/hr, the amount of exposure they've received isn't so bad that there'll be lasting effects.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 13 2011 21:15 GMT
#2009
On March 14 2011 06:13 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 06:07 dump wrote:
On March 14 2011 05:53 pidikun wrote:
Please stop that - 8.8, 8.9, 9.0 magnitudes makes no difference!
Sometimes some comments really %&%§$% me off.
Unlike some other countries, people in japan cares about each other and not over some
calculated magnitude numbers...


The magnitude is a necessary factor in calculating the risk and magnitude of impending aftershocks. It's more important than one might think.

Right now, according to NHK, as of the reclassification from 8.8 to 9.0 (USGS measured 8.9; Japan measured 8.8), it's estimated that there's a 70% risk of another M7+ in the next 2 days, and a 50% risk in the 3 days following.

Hurricane Katrina, a category 4 hurricane, did much more damage than most category 5 hurricanes.

Just to show that numbers can be wrong.


Magnitude isn't a measure of how many people die. Haiti was a "mere" M7 and it killed over 300,000 people.

That's not the point. The point is that seismic data helps to predict aftershocks, and that's necessary for ensuring that the people that are still alive are as prepared and safe as possible.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 13 2011 21:20 GMT
#2010
On March 14 2011 05:06 Sigh wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted before but the Shinmoedake volcano has resumed activity.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-japan-quake-volcano-20110314,0,2486939.story?track=rss


Sorry I have to resort to quoting Wiki, but:

"Past observed records include eruptions in 1716, 1717, 1771, 1822, 1959, 1991, 2008, and 2009. The latest eruptions began on January 19, 2011, and the alert level was raised to 3 on January 27.[1] As of February 2011, a lava dome was growing in the volcano's crater.[3] On March 13, 2011, the volcano is reported to have erupted again in the aftermath of 2011 Sendai Earthquake that occurred on March 11. Whether the cause of the eruption is related to the earthquake is still unknown.[4]"

It's really not the end of the world. Yet.
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
March 13 2011 21:28 GMT
#2011
Reading reports on 10,000+ dead in a country like Japan is really startling to me. I really think I am underestimating the strength of a 9.0 earthquake...

I hope they have the supply and manpower to withstand a 7.0+ aftershock.

Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 13 2011 21:34 GMT
#2012
Tepco has declared that it'll start doing 3 hour rolling blackouts in Tokyo starting at 6AM. However, the first of five blackout groups has been spared citing lower than expected power use. NHK and the other media along with the government have been calling on people to reduce power consumption for the next few days.
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
March 13 2011 21:41 GMT
#2013
On March 14 2011 05:38 pigtheman wrote:
its actually a 9.0 compared to the reported 8.8 which is 2 times the intensity of a 8.8 o.O hope their all ok ...


saw video on youtube where they called it 7.8 needless to say they got dislikes on video because of it
Daeden.620
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 13 2011 21:45 GMT
#2014
On March 14 2011 06:28 Klamity wrote:
Reading reports on 10,000+ dead in a country like Japan is really startling to me. I really think I am underestimating the strength of a 9.0 earthquake...


A 9.0 Earthquake would wipe out any city that isn't in Japan, any, take your pick. New York? Paris? London? Beijin? Moscow? Having a triple digit deaths due to the quake(most of the deats are due to the Tsunami) is astounding at least.
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Asur
Profile Joined June 2010
64 Posts
March 13 2011 21:46 GMT
#2015
I don't know if anyone can stomach any more videos, but I saw this on twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/seanbonner/status/46989233822515200
Seriously, this first person Tsunami video is one of the scariest things I've ever seen. http://ow.ly/4dvh0


The link is a 22mb .mp4 file.
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 13 2011 21:57 GMT
#2016
On March 14 2011 06:46 Asur wrote:
I don't know if anyone can stomach any more videos, but I saw this on twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/seanbonner/status/46989233822515200
Show nested quote +
Seriously, this first person Tsunami video is one of the scariest things I've ever seen. http://ow.ly/4dvh0


The link is a 22mb .mp4 file.


Brave man, would have run as fast as possible to the highest ground as possible.
Admittedly he wasn't in any real danger.
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Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
March 13 2011 22:10 GMT
#2017
Does anyone know if the nuclear reactors are still a threat? Could we still get a meltdown? CNN is telling me absolutely nothing useful.
Fantasy is a beast
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
March 13 2011 22:18 GMT
#2018
On March 14 2011 04:26 McDonalds wrote:
The magnitude wasn't "upgraded", it was given a different number by a different organization. The US Geological Survey number, which you had been using in the title of the thread and which was bigger than any of the other estimates at the time, hasn't changed from 8.9 yet.


I will update the title with the number given by the Japanese source, which has been what I have been doing all along. Thanks for your input though.
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gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
March 13 2011 22:19 GMT
#2019
On March 14 2011 06:46 Asur wrote:
I don't know if anyone can stomach any more videos, but I saw this on twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/seanbonner/status/46989233822515200
Show nested quote +
Seriously, this first person Tsunami video is one of the scariest things I've ever seen. http://ow.ly/4dvh0


The link is a 22mb .mp4 file.


I must say it looks quite surreal when the buildings suddenly starts floating away.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 13 2011 22:23 GMT
#2020
On March 14 2011 07:10 Housemd wrote:
Does anyone know if the nuclear reactors are still a threat? Could we still get a meltdown? CNN is telling me absolutely nothing useful.


Right now, no, they are not a threat at all
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