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+ Show Spoiler +On January 09 2011 14:00 shadymmj wrote:
I work as a part-time tutor teaching English to fobs who come to study, and a great deal of them are China kids. As in from China, not just Chinese, and let me give you an insight into their shocking daily schedule. Apparently their parents think this is good for them.
6am: Wake up
7am: Go to day school
1pm: Released from school
1.30pm: Lunch
2.30pm: Go to private language school
5.30pm: Dinner time
6pm: On the subway home
7pm: Shower and housekeeping
7.30pm: Homework time
9.30pm: Free time at last
10pm: Bed
6 days a week. These kids are 12 to 17. What a well-rounded lifestyle! Anyway, needless to say only a few kids can actually cope with this schedule - because most kids are your academically average, fun-loving human beings. Most of them just switch off during lessons or play games on their handphones, just skip their day school altogether, or just make some perfunctory attempts at the questions and then regress into doing something else. Most of them are well likeable kids.
Just some tidbits from me.
As an Asian-American I just had to finally create an account on TL and respond to this thread. First off, I do not know if it is the same in China as it is in Korea, but many students have that type of schedule due to the fact that competition to get into a good university is extremely high. You need to do well on the standardized test or you are screwed. There is no other activities that universities look for besides academics (although I believe it is changing a bit the past few years).
Second off, I do not know any Korean parents or Chinese who take it to the extreme as that crazy woman. My parents never forbade me to do extra curricular activities, in fact they encouraged me to do everything from acting to sports etc. They wanted me to make more friends and party once in a while. When I was a kid they were tough on me to study well for a few hours a day. And you know what? Because of that I got straight A's. Nowadays not so much as I am a very unmotivated person and my parents knew that. Most Asian-Americans I know are generally smart, funny, and social too. Our valedictorian got straight A's in every single AP classes (10-15 in total) while doing sports like soccer and he was very social.
Like others said I believe one or the other ("Chinese" or "White") methods of raising kids are both viable unless of course you take it to the extreme. A combination of both I think is the best way to raise a child. And also that woman doesn't know crap and is arrogant. She isn't the spokeswoman for all of Chinese or Asian parents.
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On January 09 2011 14:09 MuffinFTW wrote:
Oh god, I'm Asian and this woman is awful... My parents are similar to that but slightly less strict, these kids would grow to resent their parents and ditch them the second they can and avoid most their life. Getting grounded for getting a B+ is stupid... -.-
I think the grounding part is not much punishment, really.. what are her kids being grounded from, school? piano? sleep?
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man, all of a sudden I also feel like writing an article about why people like me [aka me specifically] are "superior" to everyone else. If it's outrageous enough it might even get published in a major news paper, and then I might get some media $$$.
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People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun.
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On January 09 2011 14:47 PJA wrote:
People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun.
The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time.
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I honestly feel that you have to be strict but not in the overzealous way that the article suggests.
I was raised where my parents did expect me to do well and to work hard on anything I did. Difference is that they made me do both sports and music to make me more well rounded.
When it came to marks, when they see a B for whatever reason we would work out the problems continuously until it got better. When I finally asked why my parents pushed so hard, they said that working hard is healthy so that you can easily choose whatever you want to become and be extremely successful and also to help others.
I felt that was so much more appropriate and feel that most Chinese parents aim for this, not necessarily "1 million dollars before your 30" mentality
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The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time.
for some [sad] people, feeling 'superior' about 1% is the only thing they've got left in life, don't take it away from them.
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On January 09 2011 14:48 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:47 PJA wrote:
People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun. The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time.
This happened to me a lot in both high school and undergrad and the only reason I would ever waste someone's time with something so inconsequential is if I'm not sure what I got points taken off for. If it was obviously graded incorrectly and I'm not going to learn anything or get a better grade by having it regraded, I'm not going to bother.
EDIT: I mean basically this kid ITT is trying to argue that he always wants to get 100% and so he'll quibble over some meaningless points JUST SO THAT THE PROFESSOR CAN SEE THAT HE REALLY GOT 100% If you already fucking know you got 100% but it was misgraded as a 97%, why waste someone's time with it?
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On January 09 2011 14:48 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:47 PJA wrote:
People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun. The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time.
Only post I've read in this thread, so this might be entirely out of context, but since when is university grading even remotely fair? Screw arguing for a single percentage point, I'd first like to know why I have tests with a 50% random correct answer variable for each question.
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No Play Dates! O.o
I feel sorry for this woman's children.
Thankfully parents like this are more rare than she implies, I remember a girl from my high school with a mother like this, she ended up in the hospital after cutting herself from intense depression.
Kids need to achieve value by themselves, not have it forced on them.
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While I get the message she's trying to put across, it's too extreme. Even as a conservative asian on my part, I uphold my asian values but I'll never ever resort to that extreme to get my future child to do well.
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I actually think that if the kid knows what the parent is trying to force on them, and understand what the end results can be, this is totally a good way of raising kids. I see nothing wrong with this, her kids still love and respect her, as do I with my mom after raising me in this way.
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On January 09 2011 14:59 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:48 micronesia wrote:On January 09 2011 14:47 PJA wrote:
People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun. The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time. Only post I've read in this thread, so this might be entirely out of context, but since when is university grading even remotely fair? Screw arguing for a single percentage point, I'd first like to know why I have tests with a 50% random correct answer variable for each question.
Er, it's 100% when you know the correct answer. It's only chance when you guess. Complain about education, and then fail at it?
On January 09 2011 14:53 Kalingingsong wrote:Show nested quote +The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time. for some [sad] people, feeling 'superior' about 1% is the only thing they've got left in life, don't take it away from them.
Sounds like someone here *cough*kalingingsong*cough* is jealous because people are smarter than them. You sound exactly like people I know who do terribly and then get pissed off when I ask for missing marks. Example, I get 50% on a test. The teacher puts down 49%. Am I going to argue like hell for that 1%? Hell yes. And why should that be any different at the top. I've earned it. Again, I work 10 hours. But my boss only pays me for 5 hours. I'd be hella annoyed if I didn't get that. Did you not earn that 100%? So why settle for anything less.
But people who argue for bonus marks annoy me.
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On January 09 2011 15:15 Blisse wrote:
Example, I get 50% on a test. The teacher puts down 49%. Am I going to argue like hell for that 1%? Hell yes.
Someone is a Physics/EE major
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That article really racist lol. My asian parents had that type of pressure on me as a kid but they backed off middle school because they knew I was responsible enough. I think one of the big reasons why they force kids to excel in their studies is because they get scared their kid won't get a good job and won't be able to go to a good school.
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On January 09 2011 15:15 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:59 Orome wrote:On January 09 2011 14:48 micronesia wrote:On January 09 2011 14:47 PJA wrote:
People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun. The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time. Only post I've read in this thread, so this might be entirely out of context, but since when is university grading even remotely fair? Screw arguing for a single percentage point, I'd first like to know why I have tests with a 50% random correct answer variable for each question. Er, it's 100% when you know the correct answer. It's only chance when you guess. Complain about education, and then fail at it? Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:53 Kalingingsong wrote:The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time. for some [sad] people, feeling 'superior' about 1% is the only thing they've got left in life, don't take it away from them. Sounds like someone here *cough*kalingingsong*cough* is jealous because people are smarter than them. You sound exactly like people I know who do terribly and then get pissed off when I ask for missing marks. Example, I get 50% on a test. The teacher puts down 49%. Am I going to argue like hell for that 1%? Hell yes. And why should that be any different at the top. I've earned it. Again, I work 10 hours. But my boss only pays me for 5 hours. I'd be hella annoyed if I didn't get that. Did you not earn that 100%? So why settle for anything less. But people who argue for bonus marks annoy me.
You're a giant tool.
Let's see.
Arguing for 1% when you're getting 50% on a test: very well may help your grade, since you obviously need all the points you can get.
Arguing for 5 hours of labor you didn't get paid for: more moneyz!
Arguing for 1% when you have a super solid A+ regardless: No possible real benefit whatsoever.
The only reason you are quibbling over you 98 to get a 99 is to make yourself feel good, and you're a jackass for wasting anyone's time with it. This has nothing to do with getting ripped off for points for "settling for less."
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On January 09 2011 15:15 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:59 Orome wrote:On January 09 2011 14:48 micronesia wrote:On January 09 2011 14:47 PJA wrote:
People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun. The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time. Only post I've read in this thread, so this might be entirely out of context, but since when is university grading even remotely fair? Screw arguing for a single percentage point, I'd first like to know why I have tests with a 50% random correct answer variable for each question. Er, it's 100% when you know the correct answer. It's only chance when you guess. Complain about education, and then fail at it?
I think he's talking about questions that really could be argued one way or another, but only one answer is being graded as correct.
Also why are you such a dick? lol
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My westerner (why did I even write this, does it matter?) parents were fairly strict, yet nowhere near what she's describing. I really think it's about finding a balance. Learning discipline and establishing high self esteem as a youth is important, but a sense of being able to pursuit one's dreams whatever they may be is just as important.
Moltkewarding where art thou?
On January 09 2011 14:48 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:47 PJA wrote:
People in the thread who proudly say that they argue over 2 points to get a 99 instead of 97 are epic.
Don't you realize that all you're doing is wasting your time, wasting your professor's time, and being a giant pain in the ass? Since you're obviously getting an A anyway just do something useful, or god forbid, fun. The thing that bothers me is when their goal isn't fairness. If you get a 98 when you should have gotten a 99 because your instructor made a mistake grading an assignment, then it's okay to politely bring it to their attention at the right time. If you are just arguing to try to get more points you are being an asshole most of the time.
How are you guys even arguing over this? I completely agree with what micronesia said. Professors are human beings and they make mistakes. Nothing wrong with bringing that to their attention, if you've earned it, you've earned it.
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I was raised exactly like OP. Letter for letter, did piano, got 98+ in high school, typical Asian upbringing.
From my own experience I would like to point out that the people in this thread saying that its inhumane, they are not looking at the whole picture. Sure you can have fun in high school and attend uni get a nice job and great life. I actually agree on that. However, the point of Chinese parents being so strict is that they are sacrificing a little of the childhood fun for better success for the majority of the child's life after they turn 18. Competition for top schools are getting higher and higher as the population is increasing, with opportunities to make 6 digit figures less and less unless you do come out of a top school. Chinese parents simply think far ahead, really far ahead.
As for me, I am doing second year at Princeton university. Not to brag but I think I turned out great compared to the people saying Asian kids turn to drugs and so.
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But did your parents called you garbage and didn't let you pee until you knew how to play a piano song about a donkey?
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