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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
January 09 2011 04:29 GMT
#221
On January 09 2011 13:13 mIniAtURe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 13:06 Valentine wrote:
On January 09 2011 10:48 Blisse wrote:
On January 09 2011 10:19 G0dly wrote:
terrible article

I knew a kid whose chinese parents got pissed at him for not maintaining perfect grades. It's not that he didn't try - his parents forced him to study and he tried his best, but no matter he couldn't meet their standards. His parents called him stupid, they accused him of trying to disappoint them, they punished him by not letting him go to friends houses, go to movies, etc.

Eventually he straight up hung himself in school.

The best way is to have a balanced approach. Yes, you should establish a good work ethic - teach children to do their homework, to study, to get good grades, but also let them have some fun. Yelling at a child for getting an A- is ridiculous. I'd rather have a child who gets A- or B+ and has an active social life and friends as opposed to an A+ tryhard who studies/plays instruments all day and night.

addendum: in high school my parents didn't even check my grades. They give me complete independence and do not force me to study - I studied on my own and completed work on my own. When I was younger they taught me that learning was its own reward, that I should always try my best, and that it's important not to be lazy. I'm no genius, not valedictorian, but did get accepted into Cornell while still having fun in high school and maintaining an active social life.

There are a lot of kids in my school raised in the manner described in that article, and they hate their lives. They walk into class like zombies because they get 3-4 hours of sleep a night. They'll fight with the teacher over 3 points on a test because they got a 95 instead of a 98 (while I might be sitting in class happy with a 92). Their grades are their lives.

I say fuck that, go out and have some fun, you only fucking live once, you're only a kid once.


That kid was just bad, sorry, or the parents did it wrong. Any kid who actually studies or focuses hard and well will turn out the same way, provided they don't have a mental disability. Any kid. And if he hung himself, that's just giving up.

Why doesn't it work all the time then? Because the kid is not motivated to do it, since he is dreaming about his friends, and what else he could be doing rather than working. That's not called studying. He didn't try as hard as he could, he just didn't try. I have never known a person that sucked so badly that they couldn't grasp a concept if they actually tried.


And I just realized you're not Chinese, so obvious you don't have the same approach, and obviously that's why your kids are or will be, on average, not as successful. It was the whole point of the article...?

I'm an A+ student. I will annoy and bug my teacher if she gives me a 98 instead of a 99. I've done that on several occasions. And I'm perfectly fine with my life. I have friends. I'm up for valedictorian. I'm on several teams, and hopefully captain of one. My grade is my life, but why am I perfectly fine with it?

Because it's fun doing work. It's fun doing work well. I don't understand why or how people can put the wrong answer on a test or whatnot, and be perfectly fine with that.

The point is trying your best when it's obviously not your best. I love people who are trying their best, and then go out and party, drink, or otherwise not study, or study at the last second. Sorry, that's not trying your best. Everyone's best is 100%. Tell someone to study like a freak, the second they get home until they eat, and until they sleep and then write a no bull**** test, and I'll be damned if they don't get above 95%. Especially in high school.

The difference is simple, some parents enforce that perfection is the child's best. Other parents allow them to settle for an obviously fake try-your-hardest best. Can you match the parent with the ethnicity?

It's fantastic that you enjoy your life, but why is it so hard to understand those who can accept mediocrity? I would certainly rather have a child who was academically average but socially sound (this doesn't mean lazy, but just a more well-rounded person who does put forth effort) than an outstanding student without ever going out and partying once and a while.

Also, not everybody is equipped to be the best, regardless of the work he/she puts in.

Why is it so hard to understand those who can't accept mediocrity? You may not want a brilliant-but-obviously-lacking child, but she sure does.

And sure, everyone may not be equipped to be the best. No, everyone can't be the best at the same time. But everyone has the potential to be pretty close.

It isn't hard to understand, I thought it was pretty clear in the way my post was written.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
January 09 2011 04:31 GMT
#222
I don't think successful is the proper term. Getting great grades, good test scores, and graduating from top universities does not equal success. At least, not in my eyes.
HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
January 09 2011 04:33 GMT
#223
Personally I wouldn't train a dog like that, much less a child.

(And I know my opinion on the subject might be irrelevant. I know I'm just a lazy, mediocre Westerner raised by lazy, mediocre Western parents who lacked the fortitude and insight to rear me right. I beg Dr. Chua's forgiveness for my impertinence. Had she been my mom, I'm sure I would have turned out with much more sensible views on parenting.)
If it were not so, I would have told you.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:36:35
January 09 2011 04:33 GMT
#224
luckily my parents started letting off on chinese motherism early in my academic career (maybe because my brother messed everything up lol)










does anybody else feel like this article is reminiscent of some propaganda article geared to brainwash people into thinking this is right?
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
January 09 2011 04:38 GMT
#225
Btw, one of those kids will learn starcraft then find teamliquid then post in a blog with the title "I hate my parents very much.."
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fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:41:31
January 09 2011 04:39 GMT
#226
wow this lady certainly exaggerates Chinese parents...this kind of "i wont let my child even fucking pee til she learns to perfect a song" is pretty old skool tbh. i come from a Chinese family and sure my mum's forced me to do a lot of things, but never in such an extreme way as this. I think most Chinese parents are actually much less insane than in this article. they tend to be more strict and controlling than western parents but certainly not to this degree.

Also the article exaggerates the shittiness of Western parenting. maybe thats just how it is in america? it certainly isnt like that here.
Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:45:32
January 09 2011 04:41 GMT
#227
On January 09 2011 13:31 Jonoman92 wrote:
I don't think successful is the proper term. Getting great grades, good test scores, and graduating from top universities does not equal success. At least, not in my eyes.


So.... graduating from university and getting a well paying job isn't successful? you should elaborate, cause as far as i can tell, for you being well educated =/= success. mediocrity ftw, eh?

anyway i'd say my chinese parents were pretty strict and they did some things white people wouldn't even dream of, but this woman is way way way over the line
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 09 2011 04:42 GMT
#228
i'm happy that my parents weren't so strict like this. is this why i'm so fucked-up and like to play games?
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Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
January 09 2011 04:44 GMT
#229
On January 09 2011 13:13 mIniAtURe wrote:
And sure, everyone may not be equipped to be the best. No, everyone can't be the best at the same time. But everyone has the potential to be pretty close.

No, no they do not. Not even close to "everyone". But that's beside the point. The point is:

On January 09 2011 13:13 mIniAtURe wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand those who can't accept mediocrity? You may not want a brilliant-but-obviously-lacking child, but she sure does.

Who gives a shit what she wants? If she was my wife, I sure wouldn't. Not that I would ever marry such an uptight and arrogant woman.

If her kid doesn't want to be some high-strung overachiever, that's up to him/her. If her kid instead wants to be average and happy instead, that's perfectly fine. If the parents can't accept that, too bad.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
January 09 2011 04:45 GMT
#230
All you gotta do to is lean how to survive. Cooking, cleaning and making your bed is essential >
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Reason.SC2
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1047 Posts
January 09 2011 04:53 GMT
#231
Success =/= "success" as defined by this article.

A prestigious degree and high paying job are not the measures of a quality individual, or a happy individual.

That said, a successful person can and often will find ways to be "successful" by these standards as well. The difference is however a happy and healthy mental state (something very often found lacking in products of uber-strict parents).


ALang
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada288 Posts
January 09 2011 04:54 GMT
#232
Article is ridiculous. She's raising joyless children. These kids will never develop socially like the rest of the world, leading to more long-term problems than one can number. And try relating to anyone without any idea of popular culture, niche interests, current expressions and a rounded and normal upbringing.


What a bitch.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
January 09 2011 04:58 GMT
#233
On January 09 2011 13:41 GenericTerranPlayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 13:31 Jonoman92 wrote:
I don't think successful is the proper term. Getting great grades, good test scores, and graduating from top universities does not equal success. At least, not in my eyes.


So.... graduating from university and getting a well paying job isn't successful? you should elaborate, cause as far as i can tell, for you being well educated =/= success. mediocrity ftw, eh?

anyway i'd say my chinese parents were pretty strict and they did some things white people wouldn't even dream of, but this woman is way way way over the line


The word success in our society seems to have the meaning of having a good quality of life that comes along with money, but I think that defining the word in such a manner is a terrible thing. By this definition the majority of regular people are not "successful" and I think the notion that money is so important causes people with less wealthy to somewhat resent those who have more.

Education has nothing to do with success in my opinion. Who cares if you graduate from Yale, have a high paying job, and a family if you aren't satisfied with your life. Doing the things in the preceding sentence make one appear successful to the average person looking over your life, but you yourself are the only one who can decide whether or not you consider your life to be a success.

The childhood kids are forced to sacrifice, the random dreams and hobbies that they were not allowed to pursue, and the many other opportunities missed in order to achieve the cookie cutter pattern that our society outlines as "being successful" makes it extremely difficult for those who are expected to follow such a path to follow what they may truly want from their lives.

I think saying that not being university educated is settling for mediocrity is pretty narrow-minded.

shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
January 09 2011 05:00 GMT
#234
I work as a part-time tutor teaching English to fobs who come to study, and a great deal of them are China kids. As in from China, not just Chinese, and let me give you an insight into their shocking daily schedule. Apparently their parents think this is good for them.

6am: Wake up
7am: Go to day school
1pm: Released from school
1.30pm: Lunch
2.30pm: Go to private language school
5.30pm: Dinner time
6pm: On the subway home
7pm: Shower and housekeeping
7.30pm: Homework time
9.30pm: Free time at last
10pm: Bed

6 days a week. These kids are 12 to 17. What a well-rounded lifestyle! Anyway, needless to say only a few kids can actually cope with this schedule - because most kids are your academically average, fun-loving human beings. Most of them just switch off during lessons or play games on their handphones, just skip their day school altogether, or just make some perfunctory attempts at the questions and then regress into doing something else. Most of them are likeable kids.

Just some tidbits from me.
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kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
January 09 2011 05:03 GMT
#235
On January 09 2011 13:13 mIniAtURe wrote:

Why is it so hard to understand those who can't accept mediocrity? You may not want a brilliant-but-obviously-lacking child, but she sure does.



If you cannot accept mediocrity, keep it to yourself; don't mess with other people, even though they are your children.

This is the results parents would get for being douche-bags :

http://www.techaddiction.ca/boy_kills_mother_over_internet_restrictions.html

http://www.china-daily.org/China-News/Boy-killed-his-mother-obsessed-with-the-network-continued-objection-talk-about-the-game-enraptured/

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_man-kills-mother-wife-daughter-and-five-others-in-china_1381108

I'm Asian and in my home country cases like these are not even rare. My mother did force me to study and stuff when I was like < 12yo, but after that she let me do whatever I want because from that age she cannot win against me in a physical fight anymore and that was it.

Turn out that with all the liberty of time and choice I could do even better, I took the best high-school in the region and after that got accepted for an engineering school in France, and I will graduate soon. If I had follow my mother's orders I would have become a stupid coder working for my uncle (who own a local software company lol).

The method of this woman just sucks, if her kids are good they will make choices that is 1000 times better than their mother's. Forcing her way to them just destroy their future and replace it with a downgraded version imagined by her narrowed mind.

Khassar de Templari
MuffinFTW
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States235 Posts
January 09 2011 05:09 GMT
#236
Oh god, I'm Asian and this woman is awful... My parents are similar to that but slightly less strict, these kids would grow to resent their parents and ditch them the second they can and avoid most their life. Getting grounded for getting a B+ is stupid... -.-
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 09 2011 05:23 GMT
#237
This is utterly disgusting. Her kids might end up being the smartest ones at their school, but without any sleepovers and hanging out at their friends house's, they are also going to be the loneliest and most socially awkward.

All through school my parents made it clear that all you had to do was to excel academically in order to be successful. It took me going to college to realize that there is more to life than academics.
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Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 05:34:39
January 09 2011 05:30 GMT
#238
Ok read through the stuff her daughters weren't allowed to do...



$#%king bonkers.

Nice thing. Give birth to a child, decide before hand said child will be the best in it's class, have no friends and that it will have to do what you want it to to every second of it's "free" time.
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caldo149
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States469 Posts
January 09 2011 05:35 GMT
#239
I just searched for "parent" in the TL blog section...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=parent&t=ct&f=18&u=&gb=date

So much rage at parents. In the few that I read, all the parents were "Chinese" parents as defined by this article. It's a bit ridiculous to ignore how the demanding parenting style can affect kids. The article completely ignores how emotional well-being and social skills becomes a huge opportunity cost for extreme excellence.
My parents were a little like this but after a certain point I put myself into a situation where they couldn't really force me to do anything. I am sure I would be a lot worse emotionally If they had been stricter with my academic performance, but their support was still helpful.
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kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
January 09 2011 05:37 GMT
#240
Does anyone think that this mother is imba and need to be nerfed ?
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