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targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
January 09 2011 03:50 GMT
#201
I'm a Chinese kid brought up in Malaysia, and I can say that my family is nothing like that, and the families of my friends are also a far cry from the mother in the article.

Now if many Asian parents are really, literally like what was described in the article, all I can say is that maybe I understand why that Korean kid started shooting people in that US school a while back.
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mIniAtURe
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 03:54:24
January 09 2011 03:50 GMT
#202
On January 09 2011 12:43 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 12:41 mIniAtURe wrote:
On January 09 2011 12:40 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 09 2011 12:33 mIniAtURe wrote:
Edit: I mean having a crazy asian lady as your mother making decisions that will benefit your future success for you is much easier than your parents letting you screw up and having to fix it all yourself.

I agree, and the beauty of the Western approach to parenting is that through the hardship of screwing up and fixing it all (with parental support), you learn a lot more about learning from failure and knowing your limits and persistence.

That's definitely true, but I'm arguing that you can learn about failure and knowing your limits and persistence without the actual failure >_<

Well ideally you'd have learned all of that before reaching college; and ideally they'd have provided enough support such that it wasn't a terrible experience. My argument still stands: good Western parenting gives children both freedom and guidance, and it shouldn't be mostly on the child to figure everything out. But only parents with the perspective of growing up in the West can really understand how to guide well in every part of the process, whereas Chinese parents tend to care only about results.

What happens when you have a child of average intelligence? With more lenient guidance, the child may not be as successful as some of the Chinese children that Chinese parenting has brought up. True, they may lack in some aspects, but for success and work, they've excelled their expectations. This way, Asian parents don't face the burden of having an unsuccessful child. Average white children may be happy, but they most likely will not be as successful as Asian children who have undergone rigorous learning methods as a child.

Edit: In the end, it comes down to utility. Asians have a higher utility value on success and money, as opposed to White people, who have a lower value. This means that Asians will sacrifice more to achieve success and money, where White people will not work as hard for it. For example, if success is worth two points for Asians and one point for Whites, only Asian people would sacrifice one point of happiness to achieve two points later on. White people would think that is ridiculous.
Asian children are not more intelligent than their White counterparts; they've only been raised to maximize their scholarly potential.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
January 09 2011 03:56 GMT
#203
lol bullshit, like that would make her "LULU" a damn millionaire.. skimmed through all the words in which he wanted her kid to learn an instrument.. pathetic, coming from an asian household they were pretty tight when i was in grade school, then started rebelling in high school but actually became a good student in college.
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mIniAtURe
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
January 09 2011 03:57 GMT
#204
On January 09 2011 12:56 Licmyobelisk wrote:
lol bullshit, like that would make her "LULU" a damn millionaire.. skimmed through all the words in which he wanted her kid to learn an instrument.. pathetic, coming from an asian household they were pretty tight when i was in grade school, then started rebelling in high school but actually became a good student in college.


It might not make her a millionaire, but it most likely prevents her from being a total failure.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
January 09 2011 04:01 GMT
#205
On January 09 2011 12:57 mIniAtURe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 12:56 Licmyobelisk wrote:
lol bullshit, like that would make her "LULU" a damn millionaire.. skimmed through all the words in which he wanted her kid to learn an instrument.. pathetic, coming from an asian household they were pretty tight when i was in grade school, then started rebelling in high school but actually became a good student in college.


It might not make her a millionaire, but it most likely prevents her from being a total failure.

hahaha
Is extremes the only thing you can operate with? Someone has to be either a failure or an engineer?
Can you please elaborate how did your social interactions look like? Because I don't believe you would sacrifice true friendships unless your social life wasn't about friendship but wasting time with random kids.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:02:58
January 09 2011 04:02 GMT
#206
Im a firm believer in best of both worlds.. be happy and successful, to do that, you need to find something you really care about, have a lot of fun doing, and want to do.. for the rest of your life. Or you need to be comfortable and happy doing something you don't want to do(there are jobs that need doing, that almost no one wants to do)... you need to be happy doing this for yourself.. not cause mommy said so

if there was a best way to raise children, everyone would do it, and we would have it all figured out. The fact is, there is not a best way, every child is different, and every parent is different too. It is not my place to tell people how to raise their children, but this woman is doing it wrong, and the sad thing is, she is preaching it like she has worked some miracle, and she has the whole children success thing figured out.

You only live once(imo, I guess we could be reincarnated).. go to sleep overs, play video games, get laid.. do what YOU want to do. If you want to have a successful job, grow up to be wealthy, sacrifice your entire childhood do it if you want, but that should never ever be a parents right to take that away and the fact is, some parents take it away just by brain washing their kids and telling them that's all that matters in life... which is really far from the truth.

Kids will be kids, except this ladies and anyone else, no matter what race, who chooses to raise children like this, they are either unhappy, or brainwashed, and either way, they aren't themselves.

Maybe im being a little idealistic, and brainwashed myself, I was brought up being told to do good in school, but have some fun and do what you want to do as well. I didn't do that well in school after Jr High School started, but at least I still mattered to my parents, thank whatever higher power there might be out there.. cause if my parents treated me the way this lady does in Jr High School.. I would never have made it through, they were all I had.
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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:55:17
January 09 2011 04:06 GMT
#207
On January 09 2011 10:48 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 10:19 G0dly wrote:
terrible article

I knew a kid whose chinese parents got pissed at him for not maintaining perfect grades. It's not that he didn't try - his parents forced him to study and he tried his best, but no matter he couldn't meet their standards. His parents called him stupid, they accused him of trying to disappoint them, they punished him by not letting him go to friends houses, go to movies, etc.

Eventually he straight up hung himself in school.

The best way is to have a balanced approach. Yes, you should establish a good work ethic - teach children to do their homework, to study, to get good grades, but also let them have some fun. Yelling at a child for getting an A- is ridiculous. I'd rather have a child who gets A- or B+ and has an active social life and friends as opposed to an A+ tryhard who studies/plays instruments all day and night.

addendum: in high school my parents didn't even check my grades. They give me complete independence and do not force me to study - I studied on my own and completed work on my own. When I was younger they taught me that learning was its own reward, that I should always try my best, and that it's important not to be lazy. I'm no genius, not valedictorian, but did get accepted into Cornell while still having fun in high school and maintaining an active social life.

There are a lot of kids in my school raised in the manner described in that article, and they hate their lives. They walk into class like zombies because they get 3-4 hours of sleep a night. They'll fight with the teacher over 3 points on a test because they got a 95 instead of a 98 (while I might be sitting in class happy with a 92). Their grades are their lives.

I say fuck that, go out and have some fun, you only fucking live once, you're only a kid once.


That kid was just bad, sorry, or the parents did it wrong. Any kid who actually studies or focuses hard and well will turn out the same way, provided they don't have a mental disability. Any kid. And if he hung himself, that's just giving up.

Why doesn't it work all the time then? Because the kid is not motivated to do it, since he is dreaming about his friends, and what else he could be doing rather than working. That's not called studying. He didn't try as hard as he could, he just didn't try. I have never known a person that sucked so badly that they couldn't grasp a concept if they actually tried.


And I just realized you're not Chinese, so obvious you don't have the same approach, and obviously that's why your kids are or will be, on average, not as successful. It was the whole point of the article...?

I'm an A+ student. I will annoy and bug my teacher if she gives me a 98 instead of a 99. I've done that on several occasions. And I'm perfectly fine with my life. I have friends. I'm up for valedictorian. I'm on several teams, and hopefully captain of one. My grade is my life, but why am I perfectly fine with it?

Because it's fun doing work. It's fun doing work well. I don't understand why or how people can put the wrong answer on a test or whatnot, and be perfectly fine with that.

The point is trying your best when it's obviously not your best. I love people who are trying their best, and then go out and party, drink, or otherwise not study, or study at the last second. Sorry, that's not trying your best. Everyone's best is 100%. Tell someone to study like a freak, the second they get home until they eat, and until they sleep and then write a no bull**** test, and I'll be damned if they don't get above 95%. Especially in high school.

The difference is simple, some parents enforce that perfection is the child's best. Other parents allow them to settle for an obviously fake try-your-hardest best. Can you match the parent with the ethnicity?

It's fantastic that you enjoy your life, but why is it so hard to understand those who can accept mediocrity? I would certainly rather have a child who was academically average but socially sound (this doesn't mean lazy, but just a more well-rounded person who does put forth effort) than an outstanding student without ever going out and partying once in a while.

Also, not everybody is equipped to be the best, regardless of the work he/she puts in.
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BLINKOFF
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States79 Posts
January 09 2011 04:07 GMT
#208
This article is fucking retarted.
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
January 09 2011 04:07 GMT
#209


sums it up pretty well
mIniAtURe
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
January 09 2011 04:08 GMT
#210
On January 09 2011 13:01 beetlelisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 12:57 mIniAtURe wrote:
On January 09 2011 12:56 Licmyobelisk wrote:
lol bullshit, like that would make her "LULU" a damn millionaire.. skimmed through all the words in which he wanted her kid to learn an instrument.. pathetic, coming from an asian household they were pretty tight when i was in grade school, then started rebelling in high school but actually became a good student in college.


It might not make her a millionaire, but it most likely prevents her from being a total failure.

hahaha
Is extremes the only thing you can operate with? Someone has to be either a failure or an engineer?
Can you please elaborate how did your social interactions look like? Because I don't believe you would sacrifice true friendships unless your social life wasn't about friendship but wasting time with random kids.

Sorry, I meant "failures" and "engineers" as complements. Or, "non-engineer-doctor-lawyer" and "engineer-doctor-lawyer" as opposed to failure and engineer.
I do have friends other than my childhood friends, and I can still make more friends. Childhood is only 18 years of your 60+? year life...
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
January 09 2011 04:10 GMT
#211
The author's Chinese mother clearly failed . . . she married a white dude =P

No straight thinking "Chinese mother" would live through seeing her daughter marry a white dude.
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kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
January 09 2011 04:12 GMT
#212
On January 09 2011 12:57 mIniAtURe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 12:56 Licmyobelisk wrote:
lol bullshit, like that would make her "LULU" a damn millionaire.. skimmed through all the words in which he wanted her kid to learn an instrument.. pathetic, coming from an asian household they were pretty tight when i was in grade school, then started rebelling in high school but actually became a good student in college.


It might not make her a millionaire, but it most likely prevents her from being a total failure.


She will be a total failure just like her mother if she just follow the same approach as her mother.
If my wife treat my kids like that, she will face a divorce, but that won't happen since only retards would marry this kind of woman.
I'm Asian too.
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mIniAtURe
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
January 09 2011 04:13 GMT
#213
On January 09 2011 13:06 Valentine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 10:48 Blisse wrote:
On January 09 2011 10:19 G0dly wrote:
terrible article

I knew a kid whose chinese parents got pissed at him for not maintaining perfect grades. It's not that he didn't try - his parents forced him to study and he tried his best, but no matter he couldn't meet their standards. His parents called him stupid, they accused him of trying to disappoint them, they punished him by not letting him go to friends houses, go to movies, etc.

Eventually he straight up hung himself in school.

The best way is to have a balanced approach. Yes, you should establish a good work ethic - teach children to do their homework, to study, to get good grades, but also let them have some fun. Yelling at a child for getting an A- is ridiculous. I'd rather have a child who gets A- or B+ and has an active social life and friends as opposed to an A+ tryhard who studies/plays instruments all day and night.

addendum: in high school my parents didn't even check my grades. They give me complete independence and do not force me to study - I studied on my own and completed work on my own. When I was younger they taught me that learning was its own reward, that I should always try my best, and that it's important not to be lazy. I'm no genius, not valedictorian, but did get accepted into Cornell while still having fun in high school and maintaining an active social life.

There are a lot of kids in my school raised in the manner described in that article, and they hate their lives. They walk into class like zombies because they get 3-4 hours of sleep a night. They'll fight with the teacher over 3 points on a test because they got a 95 instead of a 98 (while I might be sitting in class happy with a 92). Their grades are their lives.

I say fuck that, go out and have some fun, you only fucking live once, you're only a kid once.


That kid was just bad, sorry, or the parents did it wrong. Any kid who actually studies or focuses hard and well will turn out the same way, provided they don't have a mental disability. Any kid. And if he hung himself, that's just giving up.

Why doesn't it work all the time then? Because the kid is not motivated to do it, since he is dreaming about his friends, and what else he could be doing rather than working. That's not called studying. He didn't try as hard as he could, he just didn't try. I have never known a person that sucked so badly that they couldn't grasp a concept if they actually tried.


And I just realized you're not Chinese, so obvious you don't have the same approach, and obviously that's why your kids are or will be, on average, not as successful. It was the whole point of the article...?

I'm an A+ student. I will annoy and bug my teacher if she gives me a 98 instead of a 99. I've done that on several occasions. And I'm perfectly fine with my life. I have friends. I'm up for valedictorian. I'm on several teams, and hopefully captain of one. My grade is my life, but why am I perfectly fine with it?

Because it's fun doing work. It's fun doing work well. I don't understand why or how people can put the wrong answer on a test or whatnot, and be perfectly fine with that.

The point is trying your best when it's obviously not your best. I love people who are trying their best, and then go out and party, drink, or otherwise not study, or study at the last second. Sorry, that's not trying your best. Everyone's best is 100%. Tell someone to study like a freak, the second they get home until they eat, and until they sleep and then write a no bull**** test, and I'll be damned if they don't get above 95%. Especially in high school.

The difference is simple, some parents enforce that perfection is the child's best. Other parents allow them to settle for an obviously fake try-your-hardest best. Can you match the parent with the ethnicity?

It's fantastic that you enjoy your life, but why is it so hard to understand those who can accept mediocrity? I would certainly rather have a child who was academically average but socially sound (this doesn't mean lazy, but just a more well-rounded person who does put forth effort) than an outstanding student without ever going out and partying once and a while.

Also, not everybody is equipped to be the best, regardless of the work he/she puts in.

Why is it so hard to understand those who can't accept mediocrity? You may not want a brilliant-but-obviously-lacking child, but she sure does.

And sure, everyone may not be equipped to be the best. No, everyone can't be the best at the same time. But everyone has the potential to be pretty close.
mIniAtURe
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
January 09 2011 04:15 GMT
#214
On January 09 2011 13:12 kamikami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 12:57 mIniAtURe wrote:
On January 09 2011 12:56 Licmyobelisk wrote:
lol bullshit, like that would make her "LULU" a damn millionaire.. skimmed through all the words in which he wanted her kid to learn an instrument.. pathetic, coming from an asian household they were pretty tight when i was in grade school, then started rebelling in high school but actually became a good student in college.


It might not make her a millionaire, but it most likely prevents her from being a total failure.


She will be a total failure just like her mother if she just follow the same approach as her mother.
If my wife treat my kids like that, she will face a divorce, but that won't happen since only retards would marry this kind of woman.
I'm Asian too.

She's not a failure from a success standpoint. She clearly has a stable income and work, however much she lacks personality-wise. And besides, I'm sure SOMEBODY out there will like her child.

Also, the mother isn't divorced yet. Somebody obviously does like her.
ILIVEFORAIUR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States173 Posts
January 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#215
Yea! Oppression FTW in raising a child! Trains them to grow up to believe there is a set "order" to things. Horrible imo
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
January 09 2011 04:19 GMT
#216
I'm Chinese, speak Hokkien, and I think this mom is a douchebag. Lucky my all-Chinese parents saw the need for me to have a childhood. Not that I'm shabby academically either, too. These neurotic women are ruining our society. Her kids will never be good for anything other than taking examinations and playing an instrument for sissies.
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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
January 09 2011 04:19 GMT
#217
standard chinese arrogant close-mindedness. If your chinese parents you know what i'm talking about. Not proud
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LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
January 09 2011 04:25 GMT
#218
I already voiced that I didnt like her method of raising her kids, but I also hate that she's trying to speak as an authoritative figure on Chinese people. It's just =/ and putting a stereotype on both Chinese and Non-Chinese.
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
January 09 2011 04:26 GMT
#219
Yeah...article is presupposing that academic success is the greatest/sole possible determinant for what constitutes "superior" in parenting.

So happy Yale Professors are such clever creatures...anecdotal evidence, never firmly establishing the limitations defining "superior", and then proceeding to waver her own parenting penis (her childrens' successes) around like it was the American Flag they planted at Iwo Jima.

Do I think most Western Parents are too soft? Yes. Do I think this stereotype of an Asian parent is downright tyrannical? Sure as shit.

In the end every human is different, and will react differently to alternate parenting styles.
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beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:42:40
January 09 2011 04:28 GMT
#220
On January 09 2011 13:08 mIniAtURe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 13:01 beetlelisk wrote:
On January 09 2011 12:57 mIniAtURe wrote:
On January 09 2011 12:56 Licmyobelisk wrote:
lol bullshit, like that would make her "LULU" a damn millionaire.. skimmed through all the words in which he wanted her kid to learn an instrument.. pathetic, coming from an asian household they were pretty tight when i was in grade school, then started rebelling in high school but actually became a good student in college.


It might not make her a millionaire, but it most likely prevents her from being a total failure.

hahaha
Is extremes the only thing you can operate with? Someone has to be either a failure or an engineer?
Can you please elaborate how did your social interactions look like? Because I don't believe you would sacrifice true friendships unless your social life wasn't about friendship but wasting time with random kids.

Sorry, I meant "failures" and "engineers" as complements. Or, "non-engineer-doctor-lawyer" and "engineer-doctor-lawyer" as opposed to failure and engineer.
I do have friends other than my childhood friends, and I can still make more friends. Childhood is only 18 years of your 60+? year life...

I don't think this answers my question TBH.
I think you didn't see your earlier posts as criticizing "western parenting style" because for you this is a belief, this is a fact. And it's hard for you to see it in any other way because you simply have never experienced it.
And learning to learn is so hard for you now that the "Chinese mother" style seems to be the only thing that would work. At least to reach the "engineer-doctor-lawyer" degree.

For me her way is inferior because it forces kid to get there instead of encouraging more. And the point is one can get there on his free will and still enjoy his life.
At worst case scenario one will not become an engineer but will still choose something that he/she enjoys. And that's what is important and not how much one earns.
"Chinese mother's" child worst case scenario is one dies before he has a chance to make any friends. Or kills her. Or maybe some other people. Only because she was too lazy and selfish to treat her child like a human being.
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