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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 09 2023 14:42 GMT
#4581
Road is closed till 8pm, pad is already cleared.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 09 2023 21:14 GMT
#4582
Firing!
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 09 2023 21:22 GMT
#4583
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 09 2023 21:33 GMT
#4584
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
February 09 2023 22:56 GMT
#4585
31/33 isn't ideal, but if you build it to have multiple engine out redundancy, I guess it's reasonable.

The video doesn't really do justice to have monstrously big that booster is though. It's going to be a big boom, no matter what happens once it's ready to launch.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 09 2023 23:42 GMT
#4586
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
February 10 2023 00:31 GMT
#4587
On February 10 2023 07:56 Lmui wrote:
31/33 isn't ideal, but if you build it to have multiple engine out redundancy, I guess it's reasonable.

The video doesn't really do justice to have monstrously big that booster is though. It's going to be a big boom, no matter what happens once it's ready to launch.

How is that not ideal? Yeah, you want all 33 to fire, but 31 engines firing with only 2 shutting themselves down before and during? That's gotta be as good as they were hoping for. Next month is going to be amazing when this thing launches. I'm more excited for this than SLS.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
February 10 2023 15:38 GMT
#4588
I'm more excited for this than SLS too, the falcon heavy was a gamechanger when its boosters landed on that ship. An ultra heavy lift rocket that can lose maybe 10% of its boosters instead of having the mission canceled is also game changing.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Yrr
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany804 Posts
February 11 2023 10:03 GMT
#4589
On the other hand you dont want a 10% fail rate on equipment in spaceflight. Even if you have enough backup systems.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 17:14:08
February 11 2023 16:55 GMT
#4590
So the recently arrived Russian cargo ship to the ISS. It now also has a leak. The current Russian crew, and one American astronaut are now stuck up there till at least Summer, possibly even Fall....



MOSCOW (AP) — An uncrewed Russian supply ship docked at the International Space Station has lost cabin pressure, the Russian space corporation reported Saturday, saying the incident doesn’t pose any danger to the station’s crew.

Roscosmos said the hatch between the station and the Progress MS-21 had been locked so the loss of pressure didn’t affect the orbiting outpost.

“The temperature and pressure on board the station are within norms and there is no danger to health and safety of the crew,” it said in a statement.

The space corporation didn’t say what may have caused the cargo ship to lose pressure.

Roscosmos noted that the cargo ship had already been loaded with waste prior to its scheduled disposal. The craft is set to be undocked from the station and deorbit to burn in the atmosphere on Feb. 18.

The announcement came shortly after a new Russian cargo ship docked smoothly at the station on Saturday. The Progress MS-22 delivered almost three tons of food, water and fuel along with scientific equipment for the crew.

Roscosmos said that the loss of pressure in the Progress MS-21 didn’t affect the docking of the new cargo ship and “will have no impact on the future station program.”

The depressurization of the cargo craft follows an incident in December with the Soyuz crew capsule, which was hit by a tiny meteoroid that left a small hole in the exterior radiator and sent coolant spewing into space.

Russian Cosmonauts Sergey Prokopyev and Dmitri Petelin, and NASA astronaut Frank Rubio were supposed to use the capsule to return to Earth in March, but Russian space officials decided that higher temperatures resulting from the coolant leak could make it dangerous to use.

They decided to launch a new Soyuz capsule on Feb. 20 so the crew have a lifeboat in the event of an emergency. But since it will travel in automatic mode to expedite the launch, a replacement crew will now have to wait until late summer or fall when another capsule is ready. It means that Prokopyev, Petelin and Rubio will have to stay several extra months at the station, possibly pushing their mission to close to a year.

NASA took part in all the discussions and agreed with the plan.

Besides Prokopyev, Petelin and Rubio, the space station is home to NASA astronauts Nicole Mann and Josh Cassada; Russian Anna Kikina; and Japan’s Koichi Wakata. The four rode up on a SpaceX capsule last October.


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Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
February 11 2023 18:23 GMT
#4591
NASA needs to be more transparent about this whole ordeal. They've been letting Roscosmos take the PR lead for everything and the Russian agency has had 5-6 major fuck ups in the past 3 years on the ISS.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
February 11 2023 19:44 GMT
#4592
The moment the SpaceX mission goes up and completes the job is the day Roscosmos's ability to continue operations ends. The only way they survive is if they can somehow pull it out. For all the decades of cooperation and relationships between the two they have to be giving them every last opportunity to survive.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-11 20:53:03
February 11 2023 20:49 GMT
#4593
On February 12 2023 03:23 Husyelt wrote:
NASA needs to be more transparent about this whole ordeal. They've been letting Roscosmos take the PR lead for everything and the Russian agency has had 5-6 major fuck ups in the past 3 years on the ISS.

I'd prefer NASA let Russia find their own way out of this mess. NASA has SpaceX and will probably use them to rescue the people up there if needed. It was floated a while back that was the plan if they couldn't solve it. And worst case is they jettison the broken Roscosmos vessel.
Russia is leaving the ISS anyway and going over to the Chinese station soon, right? I'd just get them off now rather than wait. This string of mess ups is too much and could cost various nations lives and a ton of money.

Has anyone heard anything of the private sector stations? Who's the closest to starting the replacement of the ISS? Sierra Nevada or BO?
On February 11 2023 19:03 Yrr wrote:
On the other hand you dont want a 10% fail rate on equipment in spaceflight. Even if you have enough backup systems.

Is it a fail rate if this is the first time? A 10% fail rate would imply this happens frequently enough to call it as such. This was the first attempted firing of all 33. They would probably still be able to reach orbit and get where they needed to with only 20 to be honest. But I'd rather them have 30+ firing. As long as they shut off and don't asplode. That would be one hell of a cascading failure and spectacular explosion.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 13 2023 23:41 GMT
#4594
Said Blog post: https://www.blueorigin.com/news/blue-alchemist-powers-our-lunar-future/

For decades scientists and engineers have talked about using the dusty lunar surface to manufacture solar panels. All of the key ingredients for solar cells are present in this rocky and dusty regolith on the surface of the Moon—silicon, iron, magnesium, aluminum, and more.

The abundance of these ingredients has led to hundreds of research papers exploring this idea since lunar soil was returned to Earth during the Apollo program but relatively little engineering development. In other words, we don't know whether covering the Moon with solar panels is simply a great science fiction idea, or if it would actually work.

But now, we may have an answer to the question. On Friday, in a blog post not even promoted by the company's Twitter account or a news release, Blue Origin quietly said its "Blue Alchemist" program has been working on this very topic for the last two years. The company, founded by Jeff Bezos, has made both solar cells and electricity transmission wires from simulated lunar soil—a material that is chemically and mineralogically equivalent to lunar regolith.

The engineering work is based on a process known as "molten regolith electrolysis," and Blue Origin has advanced the state of the art for solar cell manufacturing. In this process, a direct electric current is applied to the simulated regolith at a high temperature, above 1,600° Celsius. Through this electrolysis process, iron, silicon, and aluminum can be extracted from the lunar regolith. Blue Origin says it has produced silicon to more than 99.999 percent purity through molten regolith electrolysis.

The key advance made by Blue Alchemist is that its engineers and scientists have taken the byproducts of this reaction—and these materials alone—to fabricate solar cells as well as the protective glass cover that would allow them to survive a decade or longer on the lunar surface.

Blue Origin will attempt to market the technology to NASA for use by its Artemis program to return humans to the Moon in a "sustainable" way. NASA and its international partners seek to differentiate Artemis from the Apollo program by more extended stays on the Moon and building infrastructure such as power systems.

"Although our vision is technically ambitious, our technology is real now," the company said in its blog post. "Blue Origin’s goal of producing solar power using only lunar resources is aligned with NASA’s highest priority Moon-to-Mars infrastructure development objective."

This is a notable research breakthrough, as the same electrolysis process could also be used to produce metals for building habitats and other structures, as well as oxygen. These are all important for "living off the land" if humans are to avoid the expense of needing to bring everything from Earth to live and work in space. While it is a long way from lab experiments to manufacturing on the Moon, these experiments are a critical first step.

Blue Origin recently split its "Advanced Development Programs" business unit into two units, with one focused on in-space systems such as its Orbital Reef space station, and another focused solely on lunar activities. It is exciting to see Blue Origin begin to publicly discuss its plans for a fully reusable lunar architecture. The company has been hiring actively in this area for years, and there is much interesting work like Blue Alchemist going on behind the scenes.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2023 02:07 GMT
#4595
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
February 14 2023 03:14 GMT
#4596
On February 14 2023 08:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Said Blog post: https://www.blueorigin.com/news/blue-alchemist-powers-our-lunar-future/

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For decades scientists and engineers have talked about using the dusty lunar surface to manufacture solar panels. All of the key ingredients for solar cells are present in this rocky and dusty regolith on the surface of the Moon—silicon, iron, magnesium, aluminum, and more.

The abundance of these ingredients has led to hundreds of research papers exploring this idea since lunar soil was returned to Earth during the Apollo program but relatively little engineering development. In other words, we don't know whether covering the Moon with solar panels is simply a great science fiction idea, or if it would actually work.

But now, we may have an answer to the question. On Friday, in a blog post not even promoted by the company's Twitter account or a news release, Blue Origin quietly said its "Blue Alchemist" program has been working on this very topic for the last two years. The company, founded by Jeff Bezos, has made both solar cells and electricity transmission wires from simulated lunar soil—a material that is chemically and mineralogically equivalent to lunar regolith.

The engineering work is based on a process known as "molten regolith electrolysis," and Blue Origin has advanced the state of the art for solar cell manufacturing. In this process, a direct electric current is applied to the simulated regolith at a high temperature, above 1,600° Celsius. Through this electrolysis process, iron, silicon, and aluminum can be extracted from the lunar regolith. Blue Origin says it has produced silicon to more than 99.999 percent purity through molten regolith electrolysis.

The key advance made by Blue Alchemist is that its engineers and scientists have taken the byproducts of this reaction—and these materials alone—to fabricate solar cells as well as the protective glass cover that would allow them to survive a decade or longer on the lunar surface.

Blue Origin will attempt to market the technology to NASA for use by its Artemis program to return humans to the Moon in a "sustainable" way. NASA and its international partners seek to differentiate Artemis from the Apollo program by more extended stays on the Moon and building infrastructure such as power systems.

"Although our vision is technically ambitious, our technology is real now," the company said in its blog post. "Blue Origin’s goal of producing solar power using only lunar resources is aligned with NASA’s highest priority Moon-to-Mars infrastructure development objective."

This is a notable research breakthrough, as the same electrolysis process could also be used to produce metals for building habitats and other structures, as well as oxygen. These are all important for "living off the land" if humans are to avoid the expense of needing to bring everything from Earth to live and work in space. While it is a long way from lab experiments to manufacturing on the Moon, these experiments are a critical first step.

Blue Origin recently split its "Advanced Development Programs" business unit into two units, with one focused on in-space systems such as its Orbital Reef space station, and another focused solely on lunar activities. It is exciting to see Blue Origin begin to publicly discuss its plans for a fully reusable lunar architecture. The company has been hiring actively in this area for years, and there is much interesting work like Blue Alchemist going on behind the scenes.


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Read about that on the train ride from work. That's amazing if they can scale and replicate. I need to know the efficiency of solar capture to get really excited though. If it's capturing 90% and storing 50% of it, then it's actually pretty amazing. If it's anywhere like what we have now (based on the last time I looked into the tech), then they've got a few years left to get this up to where it's actually viable.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 17 2023 02:23 GMT
#4597
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2023 18:40 GMT
#4598
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2023 02:36 GMT
#4599
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2023 18:26 GMT
#4600
Launch date set for possible world first of a 3D printed rocket to launch.

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