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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 01 2017 18:50 GMT
#2421
I mean yeah, SpaceX remains an important launcher, especially in the commercial sphere, and that's not likely to change soon.

But don't talk out of your ass and pretend that their backlog is for any reason other than that they are terrible at keeping schedules. Which is fine when the cost of a year's delay in getting the cargo into orbit is less than the cost of switching launchers but it's not because they're just soooooo popular, it's because they're a lower cost, lower reliability option.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 01 2017 18:54 GMT
#2422
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that if they didn't have any delays, they'd be correspondingly more attractive to customers who would in turn order more services to maintain a similar backlog. One of the things that dissuades customers is how long they have to wait to get a launch slot. In other words, queue depth is variable in the equilibrium equation.

Nobody has suggested that spaceX has any kind of track record for coming even kinda close to estimated timelines.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 01 2017 19:03 GMT
#2423
Their backlog is often presented as a sign that they are completely failing and their customers could abandon them at any point. Obviously, that's not really the case, and for most customers it's nothing more than an annoyance.

but it's not because they're just soooooo popular, it's because they're a lower cost, lower reliability option.


So they are not really popular, it's just that people prefer to launch with them. I'm not sure what the difference is but ok.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 19:07:34
May 01 2017 19:06 GMT
#2424
On May 02 2017 03:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that if they didn't have any delays, they'd be correspondingly more attractive to customers who would in turn order more services to maintain a similar backlog. One of the things that dissuades customers is how long they have to wait to get a launch slot. In other words, queue depth is variable in the equilibrium equation.

Nobody has suggested that spaceX has any kind of track record for coming even kinda close to estimated timelines.

I think it pointless to speculate what *might have been* if things were different since nothing happens in a vacuum. But what is true is that SpaceX has a long backlog because they don't keep their schedules very well, not because of their popularity.

Mind you, it's tough to find good bottom-of-the-barrel priced space services that are highly reliable. Most don't need the fancy customizations that ULA (for example) does for military launches and they just need to make profits off their launch, and insure their sats at a reasonable rate. So SpaceX certainly has a place and probably will for a while. As I have said more than once, I don't think they're profitable but that's their problem.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 01 2017 19:11 GMT
#2425
On May 02 2017 04:03 hypercube wrote:
Their backlog is often presented as a sign that they are completely failing and their customers could abandon them at any point. Obviously, that's not really the case, and for most customers it's nothing more than an annoyance.

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but it's not because they're just soooooo popular, it's because they're a lower cost, lower reliability option.


So they are not really popular, it's just that people prefer to launch with them. I'm not sure what the difference is but ok.

You have an annoying habit of strawmanning points to inject the context you want them to have. I wonder why I waste my time with you.

Go back and read the context under which this point was made. Backlog -> more delays are likely. Your interpretation? SpaceX is failing!
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 19:23:47
May 01 2017 19:23 GMT
#2426
On May 02 2017 04:11 LegalLord wrote:
You have an annoying habit of strawmanning points to inject the context you want them to have. I wonder why I waste my time with you.


What are you talking about? The context was the Falcon Heavy demo mission. Which is not for the USAF, by the way, that's a later FH launch. You managed to answer the question about Falcon Heavy with a rant about profitability, without actually covering the main point.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 01 2017 20:04 GMT
#2427
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 17:40:29
May 05 2017 17:37 GMT
#2428
The Bulgariasat launch this June will feature a used (sorry, "flight proven") first stage. Looks like customers are getting comfortable with reusability.

edit: In other news, Arianespace is back to launching from Kourou after the general strike in French Guiana ended.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 07 2017 15:11 GMT
#2429
What it was doing up there nobody knows...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 07 2017 19:47 GMT
#2430
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 09 2017 22:54 GMT
#2431


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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 09 2017 22:56 GMT
#2432
So what's the current estimate for the FH maiden voyage?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 12 2017 10:58 GMT
#2433
A powerhouse communications satellite owned by Inmarsat has been fueled for liftoff on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket Monday from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida on a mission to provide broadband links for passengers and crews aboard ships and airplanes, while technicians are loading space station-bound supplies into a commercial Dragon cargo capsule and preparing a Bulgarian telecom for launch on two other SpaceX boosters by mid-June.

The launch for London-based Inmarsat on Monday is the first of four SpaceX missions slated to blast off by the end of June from launch pads in Florida and California. The quick launch cadence, if achieved successfully, put a dent in SpaceX’s backlogged manifest, which officials say stands at 70 missions worth more than $10 billion, figures that apparently include the company’s lucrative contract to develop a human-rated spaceship to ferry astronauts to the International Space Station.

Since arriving at the Florida launch base last month, the Boeing-built Inmarsat 5 F4 communications station was filled with 5,372 pounds (2,437 kilograms) of hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide propellants during a four-day procedure inside SpaceX’s payload processing facility at Cape Canaveral.

Technicians lifted the spacecraft on the Falcon 9’s payload adapter, made by Ruag Space in Sweden, ahead of encapsulation this week inside the rocket’s composite payload fairing. The adapter is fitted with a ring connecting the Inmarsat 5 F4 spacecraft to the Falcon 9’s second stage.

Meanwhile, SpaceX workers inside the Falcon 9 hangar at nearby launch pad 39A were mounting the two-stage booster on a mobile transporter-erector Wednesday. SpaceX intends to roll out the rocket to pad 39A for a customary fueling test and a hold-down engine firing as soon as Thursday.

The Falcon 9’s Merlin 1D main engines will ignite for more than three seconds as clamps keep the rocket grounded. Engineers plan to analyze the performance of the rocket before clearing it for liftoff Monday.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-14 22:28:07
May 14 2017 22:26 GMT
#2434


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 16 2017 00:01 GMT
#2435
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 16 2017 11:07 GMT
#2436
Ever since the first successful suborbital flight of its New Shepard spacecraft and rocket, Blue Origin has been leading a charmed life. The company, founded by Amazon's Jeff Bezos, has launched and safely landed its reusable vehicle five times. It has splashily announced a forthcoming orbital rocket, New Glenn. And Bezos himself has racked up a number of aerospace awards for his accomplishments.

But on Sunday Blue Origin announced a setback. "We lost a set of powerpack test hardware on one of our BE-4 test stands yesterday," the company tweeted. "Not unusual during development." The company declined to provide more information about the accident to Ars, but most likely the powerpack—that is, the turbines and pumps that provide the fuel-oxidizer mix into the combustion chamber of the rocket engine—exploded.

It is not clear whether the test stand itself sustained serious damage (the company has at least two stands at its rocket engine testing facilities near Van Horn, Texas), nor whether the engine hardware was being pushed to some kind of limit, or whether this was part of routine testing as Blue Origin moves toward a full-scale engine test. Also, while no details were released, Blue Origin added that it expects engine testing to resume "soon."

The fact that Blue Origin, a relatively secretive company, shared this information at all is a bit revealing. Notably, it suggests the company continues to take steps toward openness. This is the first time it has ever publicly shared information about technical problems during the development of any hardware.


This appears unlikely to be a major stumbling block for Blue Origin, unless the failure has exposed some fundamental flaw with the BE-4 engine design—which seems a low probability. Rather, such accidents are a common part of engine testing. High pressures and combustible fuels are inherently an explosive mix. And as the company is well capitalized due to Bezos' deep pockets, it has redundant sets of engine hardware both at the test site and in development at its Washington-based headquarters, which means it can fix the problem and move forward.

Additionally, this accident should have no bearing on the company's plans to move forward with test flights of New Shepard later this summer or early this fall. That launch vehicle uses the smaller BE-3 engine, which is well-tested. Commercial suborbital flights of New Shepard could begin as early as 2018.


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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 16 2017 15:55 GMT
#2437
Looking forward to seeing Blue Origin finally get their tests right. It's a wee bit disappointing that it's taken a few months but I don't see anything particularly grim in losing some hardware in early testing. Methane engines are an interesting step forward and I do definitely want to see them succeed.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 14:14:53
May 17 2017 14:11 GMT
#2438
In a perfect world Elon would have bought Boston Dynamics and had another revenue streams while putting a robot into each Dragon Capsule to attempt to walk out on to Mars.

On Monday, SpaceX had yet another successful launch. The Falcon 9 that took off from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida carried a record-breaking 13,500-pound satellite for Inmarsat’s Global Xpress network.

We didn’t get a cool landing of the first-stage booster on a droneship Monday because the satellite was so heavy. In fact, it was the heaviest load a Falcon 9 has ever taken to geostationary orbit, about 22,000 miles above Earth’s surface. There simply wasn’t enough propellant left after the launch for the first stage booster to return to Earth.

SpaceX’s next launch will be on June 1, when a Falcon 9 will take the eleventh Cargo Resupply Mission to the International Space Station. The rocket will deliver a Dragon capsule of 7,000 pounds of scientific equipment and supplies to crew members.

Beyond this mission, SpaceX is truly completing its goal of launching every two to three weeks, with an expected nine launches by August. Getting a routine schedule down is the first step in ensuring that SpaceX can colonize Mars properly with a safe and reliable transportation system that can deliver cargo and humans. Elon Musk has already named it the Interplanetary Transport System.

It was also recently announced that SpaceX will be unveiling a new version of the Falcon 9, called the Block 5. The Block 5 will be the first rocket that is capable of a complete turnaround and re-flight in 24 hours. This new rocket is also in line with Musk’s goals for the Interplanetary Transport System because it allows for frequent, inexpensive, and efficient travel. Musk’s goal is for a ticket to Mars to be about $100,000 per person.

The Block 5 will inspire the mechanics for the Falcon Heavy, the most powerful operational rocket in the world. This behemoth will carry 119,000 pounds of cargo into orbit, about ten times more than the typical load a Falcon 9 takes to the International Space Station. The Falcon Heavy is expected to have its debut launch in late summer or early fall of this year.

But, beyond the Falcon Heavy, is something even more grand. The BFR, or Big Fucking Rocket. This rocket will be about the height of a skyscraper at 400 feet tall. It will be able to generate four times the thrust of the Saturn V, Musk said during a recent TED talk. Musk says the BFR will offer “the thrust equivalent of 120 747s with all engines blazing.” This ship will be a colonizing vessel, capable of carrying a small population of humans and everything they will need to survive on the red planet.

The BFR is truly the last step before Mars travel, which doesn’t have a time stamp just yet. But, Elon Musk is determined to get there in the next decade. Earlier this month, it was announced that SpaceX would be sending two Dragon capsules to Mars in 2020 to collect data. This will give them double the chance of landing successfully on the planet, which is about 34 million miles away. At the pace SpaceX is going, Mars is getting less and less difficult to fathom. Now, the only question that remains is when will we be able to buy our tickets?


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 15:42:15
May 17 2017 15:41 GMT
#2439
Heavy enough that they couldn't land the first stage. Not really a surprise but I kind of wonder what that will mean for FH. Specifically, I wonder if their reuse method will turn out to be much more limited than one would hope.

But come on, stop with the grandiose bullshit. They are so fucking far from Mars that talking about it like it's just a couple years away is disingenuous. What they're doing (reusing rockets, making commercial launches more affordable, getting people interested in routine rocket launches, other incremental but notable advancements) is impressive in and of itself. All this bullshitting is not only not necessary but highly counterproductive to space development.

SpaceX right now is like the company that built an electric generator and improved its efficiency by 1% and is claiming that it's getting ever closer to making their perpetual motion machine work. It would be better without the undue hype.
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Yrr
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany804 Posts
May 17 2017 15:50 GMT
#2440
As other adventures into space have shown money is an equivalent of time in space travel. If Elon Musk gets enough capital with his speeches he will get faster results than others not because he is a mastermind but because of the additional money.
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