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On April 19 2011 21:29 kroko wrote:
The reason why lot of immigrates use welfrare system is because they dont get jobs, cause they dont know the language. .
I highly doubt that this is the main reason. Theres so many immigrants in the school right know who doesn't even BOTHER to learn finnish. Ive seen it, my friends has seen it, everyone knows that. When they were in their home land they were used to work somehow to get their living. Now its the opposite. Why would they want to go to work if they get the living for free now? Doing _nothing_.
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On April 19 2011 21:35 Grettin wrote:
Why would they want to go to work if they get the living for free now? Doing _nothing_.
Because u make better money working.. The welfare money is really weak tbh..
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On April 19 2011 21:38 kroko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 21:35 Grettin wrote:
Why would they want to go to work if they get the living for free now? Doing _nothing_. Because u make better money working.. The welfare money is really weak tbh..
Well obviously.. but yet you can't see them whine about the money they get from the government. So seems that they are pretty "well-off" with it. Even tho it sounds ridiculous.
Doesn't work and its false info anyway. ^_^
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On April 19 2011 21:38 kroko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 21:35 Grettin wrote:
Why would they want to go to work if they get the living for free now? Doing _nothing_. Because u make better money working.. The welfare money is really weak tbh..
Perhaps, but some people value their leisure time more than working 40 hours a week only to make a minimal amount more. I'd rather take 30,000$ for free and not work, than make 50,000$ and work 40 hours a week. Too many people completely overlook peoples subjective valuations.
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On April 19 2011 21:58 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 21:38 kroko wrote:On April 19 2011 21:35 Grettin wrote:
Why would they want to go to work if they get the living for free now? Doing _nothing_. Because u make better money working.. The welfare money is really weak tbh.. Perhaps, but some people value their leisure time more than working 40 hours a week only to make a minimal amount more. I'd rather take 30,000$ for free and not work, than make 50,000$ and work 40 hours a week. Too many people completely overlook peoples subjective valuations.
Me too.
If u r unemployed u get something like 500€ + 80% ur rent. Minus taxes. Per month. So nothing sweet. And for every kid u get some extra money. Now I dont know the exact figures (cause I dont really care) but this r much closer then ppl post here.
Bottom line is we need foreigners to pay our pensions etc. Birthrate atm is too low, eventho I try to make babies with every lady I meet.
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On April 19 2011 22:11 kroko wrote:
If u r unemployed u get something like 500€ + 80% ur rent. Minus taxes. Per month. So nothing sweet. And for every kid u get some extra money. Now I dont know the exact figures (cause I dont really care) but this r much closer then ppl post here.
Negative, it depends from a lot of factors. Also, if you have 600€ rent that is 480€ + the 417€ (yeah, it´s not 500 but 417€) + your bills + monthly bus ticket + some random bonuses (kids, hobbies, even glasses/and other useful stuff), for example you can gain extra if you have a hobby which you need to pay for monthly.
For example, some immigrants "sell" eye glasses. They have a decent immigrant pay for them about half the price, then let them use their ID to get the glasses. Afterwards Finland pays for the glasses which never went to the right person.
Sudden realization that the shitty jobs earn you anything between 900-1500 euros/month and you are already gaining about 1000 euros easily via welfare handouts.
There are many other scams that immigrants may apply with ease. The system sucks imo anyways, because some Finns do exploit it same way. Mostly leftists / anarchists etc.
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Well guys... then you don't have a problem with immigrants but a problem with your incentive system in social issues. Nothing to do with those foreign guys who are sooo mean 
And just repeating it again, u have 4%!!! forreigners in your beatiful nordic country which is to cold for most guys anyway  Compare it to mid europe we are all around 15-20% id say... And it works fine for some cases and not so good for others. The point is u r complaining on a high level.
Today there are two ways to go: 1. We close the border and live our own live (which works really good for North Korea for example and guess why no one else acts like this ^^) or 2. We regulate immigration and provide programs to the immigrant to facilitate integration in our society...
The point is just that the solution isn't to say "They are all bad, we don't want them". The world ain't working like that anymore, this is dangerously shortsighted.
btw. we need immigrants anyway due to demographic developments... 
My personal opinion on this issue is that we shouldn't think so much for ourselves and show some solidarity. But in the same time the government !has to! enact fitting immigrational and social policies. I agree completely that it's not okay to abuse the system or to throw money at every lazy guy whereever he is from. But again, people are mixing up subjects... but ofc its also about election campaigns on which topic u go for...
Btw. we have an interesting idea here in Switzerland by some people. Everyone receives 2k Swiss Francs (around 1600 Euro) for free but all social services get eliminated. You can decide if you want to work yourself... you could also work 50% or whatever. Advantage: No Social System abuse anymore, no tensions, less administrative costs... Disadvantage: A lot of people who don't actually need it receive money. And costs would bee around the same as they are now...
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On April 20 2011 01:01 Szordrin wrote:[...] Btw. we have an interesting idea here in Switzerland by some people. Everyone receives 2k Swiss Francs (around 1600 Euro) for free but all social services get eliminated. You can decide if you want to work yourself... you could also work 50% or whatever. Advantage: No Social System abuse anymore, no tensions, less administrative costs... Disadvantage: A lot of people who don't actually need it receive money. And costs would bee around the same as they are now...
The disadvantage of the idea can be calculated away when deciding tax rates for different income groups. The payment would replace the reduced taxes for people with low income.
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On April 19 2011 15:24 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 05:27 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 04:43 Karok wrote:Problem is not so much who does have the power and which laws will be voted, but rather the fact that xenophobic movements with extremely populstic discourse do represent today 20% of most european countries. Courtesty of the totally failed integration in most of the european countries, thanks to pampering of immigrants (free monies, housing before even their own citizens). In most european countries its the immigrants (african/arabic) that represent by far the largest share in crimes (rape, murder, theft, even stealing from old ladies), largest share in wellfare etc. It poses a huge burden on europe, and (no offence but..) spain, portugal, greece etc already are the wellfare takers of europe (yeah through IMF an entire country can just get a huge wellfare check from the rest). It is through the institutionalized EU that the richer countries are paying for the misbehavings of "lesser" countries, paying for immigrants that pose a huge burden on society (while only a relatively small percentage actually contributes). Its no wonder that all over europe these parties are gaining ground. They are the a result of the continental situation created by left-wing parties pampering immigrants and generally (seemingly) not giving a shit about their native population, only caring to be politically correct. Yeah that is BS though. Immigrants arn't violent because they're immigrants, that's neither historically, logically nor biologically correct. First of all, in my country you can't write down a person's skin colour in any crime register, as it's illegal. There is no statistics whatsoever of it, and still our racist party (which now is on 4%) claims that immigrants commit more crimes. Bull shit. They're pulling facts out of their ass, and everyone with a high school education should know that.Second of all, being bankrupt, having a doctor's exam and being forced to drive a taxi, because your new country won't even check up on your actual capabilities, because it's from another country is ridiculous. Most countries in Europe has an aging population. If we want to keep up a well fare standard in the future, we need more people. When Sweden (around the 1950-70s) was probably one of the most futuristic and, in comparison to population, industrious countries in the world, we also had the highest rate of immigrants. During the same period of time we had a ridiculously low crime rate. If people are left out of the system, they're going to do whatever they can to survive. It's your government's, and the people of your country's responsibility to work against racism and make good integration possible... Europe seems to be on it's way to be come a giant racist continent, which will bring nothing good with it. I work at a bank and I can tell you the customers that are the nicest and least aggressive are the middle eastern and the asian ones. How does that fare with the race biology that seems to be high up on the agenda in most EU countries? Your skin colour is not the point. Your country of origin is and that is what they can write down. I can show you the statistics where something like 25% of all rapes in Finland are done by immigrants. I wonder if you think me pointing out this makes me a racist too.
Two questions comes to mind.
1: Why are these statistics even interesting? It only shows that your country is so bad at recieving immigrants. Education prevents crime for instance.
2: Immigrants probably write the country that they're citizens in as their country in these kind of things, so 25% of all your rapes are commited by tourists and people awaiting the citizenship? Yeah.. no..
Do I even need to answere your last question?
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On April 20 2011 04:49 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 15:24 Squeegy wrote:On April 19 2011 05:27 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 04:43 Karok wrote:Problem is not so much who does have the power and which laws will be voted, but rather the fact that xenophobic movements with extremely populstic discourse do represent today 20% of most european countries. Courtesty of the totally failed integration in most of the european countries, thanks to pampering of immigrants (free monies, housing before even their own citizens). In most european countries its the immigrants (african/arabic) that represent by far the largest share in crimes (rape, murder, theft, even stealing from old ladies), largest share in wellfare etc. It poses a huge burden on europe, and (no offence but..) spain, portugal, greece etc already are the wellfare takers of europe (yeah through IMF an entire country can just get a huge wellfare check from the rest). It is through the institutionalized EU that the richer countries are paying for the misbehavings of "lesser" countries, paying for immigrants that pose a huge burden on society (while only a relatively small percentage actually contributes). Its no wonder that all over europe these parties are gaining ground. They are the a result of the continental situation created by left-wing parties pampering immigrants and generally (seemingly) not giving a shit about their native population, only caring to be politically correct. Yeah that is BS though. Immigrants arn't violent because they're immigrants, that's neither historically, logically nor biologically correct. First of all, in my country you can't write down a person's skin colour in any crime register, as it's illegal. There is no statistics whatsoever of it, and still our racist party (which now is on 4%) claims that immigrants commit more crimes. Bull shit. They're pulling facts out of their ass, and everyone with a high school education should know that.Second of all, being bankrupt, having a doctor's exam and being forced to drive a taxi, because your new country won't even check up on your actual capabilities, because it's from another country is ridiculous. Most countries in Europe has an aging population. If we want to keep up a well fare standard in the future, we need more people. When Sweden (around the 1950-70s) was probably one of the most futuristic and, in comparison to population, industrious countries in the world, we also had the highest rate of immigrants. During the same period of time we had a ridiculously low crime rate. If people are left out of the system, they're going to do whatever they can to survive. It's your government's, and the people of your country's responsibility to work against racism and make good integration possible... Europe seems to be on it's way to be come a giant racist continent, which will bring nothing good with it. I work at a bank and I can tell you the customers that are the nicest and least aggressive are the middle eastern and the asian ones. How does that fare with the race biology that seems to be high up on the agenda in most EU countries? Your skin colour is not the point. Your country of origin is and that is what they can write down. I can show you the statistics where something like 25% of all rapes in Finland are done by immigrants. I wonder if you think me pointing out this makes me a racist too. Two questions comes to mind. 1: Why are these statistics even interesting? It only shows that your country is so bad at recieving immigrants. Education prevents crime for instance. 2: Immigrants probably write the country that they're citizens in as their country in these kind of things, so 25% of all your rapes are commited by tourists and people awaiting the citizenship? Yeah.. no.. Do I even need to answere your last question?
Of course not. You are obviously just as close minded as racists.
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On April 20 2011 05:16 zasda wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 04:49 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 15:24 Squeegy wrote:On April 19 2011 05:27 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 04:43 Karok wrote:Problem is not so much who does have the power and which laws will be voted, but rather the fact that xenophobic movements with extremely populstic discourse do represent today 20% of most european countries. Courtesty of the totally failed integration in most of the european countries, thanks to pampering of immigrants (free monies, housing before even their own citizens). In most european countries its the immigrants (african/arabic) that represent by far the largest share in crimes (rape, murder, theft, even stealing from old ladies), largest share in wellfare etc. It poses a huge burden on europe, and (no offence but..) spain, portugal, greece etc already are the wellfare takers of europe (yeah through IMF an entire country can just get a huge wellfare check from the rest). It is through the institutionalized EU that the richer countries are paying for the misbehavings of "lesser" countries, paying for immigrants that pose a huge burden on society (while only a relatively small percentage actually contributes). Its no wonder that all over europe these parties are gaining ground. They are the a result of the continental situation created by left-wing parties pampering immigrants and generally (seemingly) not giving a shit about their native population, only caring to be politically correct. Yeah that is BS though. Immigrants arn't violent because they're immigrants, that's neither historically, logically nor biologically correct. First of all, in my country you can't write down a person's skin colour in any crime register, as it's illegal. There is no statistics whatsoever of it, and still our racist party (which now is on 4%) claims that immigrants commit more crimes. Bull shit. They're pulling facts out of their ass, and everyone with a high school education should know that.Second of all, being bankrupt, having a doctor's exam and being forced to drive a taxi, because your new country won't even check up on your actual capabilities, because it's from another country is ridiculous. Most countries in Europe has an aging population. If we want to keep up a well fare standard in the future, we need more people. When Sweden (around the 1950-70s) was probably one of the most futuristic and, in comparison to population, industrious countries in the world, we also had the highest rate of immigrants. During the same period of time we had a ridiculously low crime rate. If people are left out of the system, they're going to do whatever they can to survive. It's your government's, and the people of your country's responsibility to work against racism and make good integration possible... Europe seems to be on it's way to be come a giant racist continent, which will bring nothing good with it. I work at a bank and I can tell you the customers that are the nicest and least aggressive are the middle eastern and the asian ones. How does that fare with the race biology that seems to be high up on the agenda in most EU countries? Your skin colour is not the point. Your country of origin is and that is what they can write down. I can show you the statistics where something like 25% of all rapes in Finland are done by immigrants. I wonder if you think me pointing out this makes me a racist too. Two questions comes to mind. 1: Why are these statistics even interesting? It only shows that your country is so bad at recieving immigrants. Education prevents crime for instance. 2: Immigrants probably write the country that they're citizens in as their country in these kind of things, so 25% of all your rapes are commited by tourists and people awaiting the citizenship? Yeah.. no.. Do I even need to answere your last question? Of course not. You are obviously just as close minded as racists.
Yeah I'm close minded. I think everyone deserves a chance to a decent life, regardless of skin colour or ethnecity. So close minded I'm probably almost insane.
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On April 20 2011 04:49 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 15:24 Squeegy wrote:On April 19 2011 05:27 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 04:43 Karok wrote:Problem is not so much who does have the power and which laws will be voted, but rather the fact that xenophobic movements with extremely populstic discourse do represent today 20% of most european countries. Courtesty of the totally failed integration in most of the european countries, thanks to pampering of immigrants (free monies, housing before even their own citizens). In most european countries its the immigrants (african/arabic) that represent by far the largest share in crimes (rape, murder, theft, even stealing from old ladies), largest share in wellfare etc. It poses a huge burden on europe, and (no offence but..) spain, portugal, greece etc already are the wellfare takers of europe (yeah through IMF an entire country can just get a huge wellfare check from the rest). It is through the institutionalized EU that the richer countries are paying for the misbehavings of "lesser" countries, paying for immigrants that pose a huge burden on society (while only a relatively small percentage actually contributes). Its no wonder that all over europe these parties are gaining ground. They are the a result of the continental situation created by left-wing parties pampering immigrants and generally (seemingly) not giving a shit about their native population, only caring to be politically correct. Yeah that is BS though. Immigrants arn't violent because they're immigrants, that's neither historically, logically nor biologically correct. First of all, in my country you can't write down a person's skin colour in any crime register, as it's illegal. There is no statistics whatsoever of it, and still our racist party (which now is on 4%) claims that immigrants commit more crimes. Bull shit. They're pulling facts out of their ass, and everyone with a high school education should know that.Second of all, being bankrupt, having a doctor's exam and being forced to drive a taxi, because your new country won't even check up on your actual capabilities, because it's from another country is ridiculous. Most countries in Europe has an aging population. If we want to keep up a well fare standard in the future, we need more people. When Sweden (around the 1950-70s) was probably one of the most futuristic and, in comparison to population, industrious countries in the world, we also had the highest rate of immigrants. During the same period of time we had a ridiculously low crime rate. If people are left out of the system, they're going to do whatever they can to survive. It's your government's, and the people of your country's responsibility to work against racism and make good integration possible... Europe seems to be on it's way to be come a giant racist continent, which will bring nothing good with it. I work at a bank and I can tell you the customers that are the nicest and least aggressive are the middle eastern and the asian ones. How does that fare with the race biology that seems to be high up on the agenda in most EU countries? Your skin colour is not the point. Your country of origin is and that is what they can write down. I can show you the statistics where something like 25% of all rapes in Finland are done by immigrants. I wonder if you think me pointing out this makes me a racist too. Two questions comes to mind. 1: Why are these statistics even interesting? It only shows that your country is so bad at recieving immigrants. Education prevents crime for instance.2: Immigrants probably write the country that they're citizens in as their country in these kind of things, so 25% of all your rapes are commited by tourists and people awaiting the citizenship? Yeah.. no.. Do I even need to answere your last question?
But you can't force him to be educated. If you think people don't do enough work for informating immigrants about education and language courses, where do you place your facts? Personal experience?
And someone stated that If you dont need education and you get money from goverment why bother some may think AS they come from other culture. That also (imo) explain the rape percentage when female is kept at lower value than male in other culture.
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On April 20 2011 04:49 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 15:24 Squeegy wrote:On April 19 2011 05:27 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 04:43 Karok wrote:Problem is not so much who does have the power and which laws will be voted, but rather the fact that xenophobic movements with extremely populstic discourse do represent today 20% of most european countries. Courtesty of the totally failed integration in most of the european countries, thanks to pampering of immigrants (free monies, housing before even their own citizens). In most european countries its the immigrants (african/arabic) that represent by far the largest share in crimes (rape, murder, theft, even stealing from old ladies), largest share in wellfare etc. It poses a huge burden on europe, and (no offence but..) spain, portugal, greece etc already are the wellfare takers of europe (yeah through IMF an entire country can just get a huge wellfare check from the rest). It is through the institutionalized EU that the richer countries are paying for the misbehavings of "lesser" countries, paying for immigrants that pose a huge burden on society (while only a relatively small percentage actually contributes). Its no wonder that all over europe these parties are gaining ground. They are the a result of the continental situation created by left-wing parties pampering immigrants and generally (seemingly) not giving a shit about their native population, only caring to be politically correct. Yeah that is BS though. Immigrants arn't violent because they're immigrants, that's neither historically, logically nor biologically correct. First of all, in my country you can't write down a person's skin colour in any crime register, as it's illegal. There is no statistics whatsoever of it, and still our racist party (which now is on 4%) claims that immigrants commit more crimes. Bull shit. They're pulling facts out of their ass, and everyone with a high school education should know that.Second of all, being bankrupt, having a doctor's exam and being forced to drive a taxi, because your new country won't even check up on your actual capabilities, because it's from another country is ridiculous. Most countries in Europe has an aging population. If we want to keep up a well fare standard in the future, we need more people. When Sweden (around the 1950-70s) was probably one of the most futuristic and, in comparison to population, industrious countries in the world, we also had the highest rate of immigrants. During the same period of time we had a ridiculously low crime rate. If people are left out of the system, they're going to do whatever they can to survive. It's your government's, and the people of your country's responsibility to work against racism and make good integration possible... Europe seems to be on it's way to be come a giant racist continent, which will bring nothing good with it. I work at a bank and I can tell you the customers that are the nicest and least aggressive are the middle eastern and the asian ones. How does that fare with the race biology that seems to be high up on the agenda in most EU countries? Your skin colour is not the point. Your country of origin is and that is what they can write down. I can show you the statistics where something like 25% of all rapes in Finland are done by immigrants. I wonder if you think me pointing out this makes me a racist too. Two questions comes to mind. 1: Why are these statistics even interesting? It only shows that your country is so bad at recieving immigrants. Education prevents crime for instance. 2: Immigrants probably write the country that they're citizens in as their country in these kind of things, so 25% of all your rapes are commited by tourists and people awaiting the citizenship? Yeah.. no.. Do I even need to answere your last question?
1. Because they strongly imply that immigrants do indeed commit more crimes than native Finns. Something that you denied.
2. I don't understand what you mean. I'm guessing something like that many, say, Estonians who have received citizenship in Finland list themselves as Finnish people?
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On April 20 2011 01:01 Szordrin wrote:Well guys... then you don't have a problem with immigrants but a problem with your incentive system in social issues. Nothing to do with those foreign guys who are sooo mean
Abusers, abusing a great system? Your solution: Change the system.
We like our system. Guess our solution?
I am free of hate toward any minority.
I hate True Finns for abusing the system their own way. Taking lots of electoral money for a job badly done. And this election will cost Finland more than it will save.
Here is an simple situation.
In one mall, there are two groups of young people hanging out, it is few minutes before closing time and guards starts to ask them to leave.
Group A is finnish. Group B is a minority.
Both are treated the same way.
You can now write a nice news about how guards are abusing power to get rid of immigrants from mall during opening hours.
Yes, Finland is racist and will always be racist, Finland will solve problems caused by the immigrants the same way that they will solve problem created by Finns.
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On April 20 2011 05:44 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 05:16 zasda wrote:On April 20 2011 04:49 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 15:24 Squeegy wrote:On April 19 2011 05:27 Euronyme wrote:On April 19 2011 04:43 Karok wrote:Problem is not so much who does have the power and which laws will be voted, but rather the fact that xenophobic movements with extremely populstic discourse do represent today 20% of most european countries. Courtesty of the totally failed integration in most of the european countries, thanks to pampering of immigrants (free monies, housing before even their own citizens). In most european countries its the immigrants (african/arabic) that represent by far the largest share in crimes (rape, murder, theft, even stealing from old ladies), largest share in wellfare etc. It poses a huge burden on europe, and (no offence but..) spain, portugal, greece etc already are the wellfare takers of europe (yeah through IMF an entire country can just get a huge wellfare check from the rest). It is through the institutionalized EU that the richer countries are paying for the misbehavings of "lesser" countries, paying for immigrants that pose a huge burden on society (while only a relatively small percentage actually contributes). Its no wonder that all over europe these parties are gaining ground. They are the a result of the continental situation created by left-wing parties pampering immigrants and generally (seemingly) not giving a shit about their native population, only caring to be politically correct. Yeah that is BS though. Immigrants arn't violent because they're immigrants, that's neither historically, logically nor biologically correct. First of all, in my country you can't write down a person's skin colour in any crime register, as it's illegal. There is no statistics whatsoever of it, and still our racist party (which now is on 4%) claims that immigrants commit more crimes. Bull shit. They're pulling facts out of their ass, and everyone with a high school education should know that.Second of all, being bankrupt, having a doctor's exam and being forced to drive a taxi, because your new country won't even check up on your actual capabilities, because it's from another country is ridiculous. Most countries in Europe has an aging population. If we want to keep up a well fare standard in the future, we need more people. When Sweden (around the 1950-70s) was probably one of the most futuristic and, in comparison to population, industrious countries in the world, we also had the highest rate of immigrants. During the same period of time we had a ridiculously low crime rate. If people are left out of the system, they're going to do whatever they can to survive. It's your government's, and the people of your country's responsibility to work against racism and make good integration possible... Europe seems to be on it's way to be come a giant racist continent, which will bring nothing good with it. I work at a bank and I can tell you the customers that are the nicest and least aggressive are the middle eastern and the asian ones. How does that fare with the race biology that seems to be high up on the agenda in most EU countries? Your skin colour is not the point. Your country of origin is and that is what they can write down. I can show you the statistics where something like 25% of all rapes in Finland are done by immigrants. I wonder if you think me pointing out this makes me a racist too. Two questions comes to mind. 1: Why are these statistics even interesting? It only shows that your country is so bad at recieving immigrants. Education prevents crime for instance. 2: Immigrants probably write the country that they're citizens in as their country in these kind of things, so 25% of all your rapes are commited by tourists and people awaiting the citizenship? Yeah.. no.. Do I even need to answere your last question? Of course not. You are obviously just as close minded as racists. Yeah I'm close minded. I think everyone deserves a chance to a decent life, regardless of skin colour or ethnecity. So close minded I'm probably almost insane.
Who doesn't? You are just splurting out images from the media which are simply not true.
Nazism...give me a break
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Excuse me if it's a stupid question, but why does Finland even pays welfare to immigrants? That seems to make no sense.
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http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/05/true_finns_reject_portugal_bailout_for_next_government_2556437.html
Political parties have begun revealing their views on the next government's programme to the leader of coalition negotiations, Jyrki Katainen. The True Finns Party has already said that it cannot in good conscience support the Portugal rescue package or the creation of a permanent bailout fund, while SDP would want the rules for the international financial system reformed.
The True Finns also oppose increasing Finland's responsibilities in the European Stability Mechanism.
“Unfortunately we do not believe in the sustainability or the fairness of the measures adopted until now,” the answer reads.
The True Finns announce that they are ready to participate in negotiations for a National Coalition-led majority government on the basis of the election’s results.
Last week, National Coalition Party chair Jyrki Katainen asked other parties partaking in government negotiations to outline their views on the most important issues facing the next government. These include financial policies and EU commitments.
Coalition negotiations continue on Tuesday, once Katainen has considered the answers.
SDP: No common responsibility for debts
The other likely government partner, the Social Democratic Party, has not taken a firm stand on Portugal. In its answer the party says that the government should be active in securing the stability of the European economy and in preventing future crises.
SDP believes that the next government ought to aim to reform the rules of the game for the international financial system. This would include limitations on the risks banks can take, scrapping the bonus system for executives, a financial markets tax and private sector’s responsibility for risk investments.
”The central starting point should be a lack of common responsibility on all eurozone countries for one another’s finances and debts,” the party declares.
According to the SDP, international agreements already approved by the government must be honoured.
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Seems like Portugal issue is still there and there are gonna be hard discussion what is going to happen now.
NOTE. Finland is only country in EU that its parliament votes for Portugal package.
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http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/05/soini_true_finns_will_not_join_government_2585229.html
The True Finns will not be part of the next Finnish government. They refuse to be part of a government that advances the eurozone bailout package.
The party does not accept the deal agreed yesterday between the Social Democrats and the National Coalition on the aid deal for Portugal.
Party chair Timo Soini made the announcement at a press conference on Thursday morning. He said the decision was made by the party itself, not the Prime Minister-designate Jyrki Katainen.
"It would have been nice to be part of the government, but you can't betray yourself," said Soini.
According to Soini, the decision was hard and will have tough political consequences. He added that the party's negotiator and executive committee were unanimous in the decision.
He added that nothing had really changed in EU policy, as the alterations are only skin-deep.
"We will become the main opposition party," said Soini.
So now National coalition party needs a lot of parties to form majority 3 minimum but maybe 4 to 5 at least.
Opposition (True Finns and Centre Party) 74 seats at the moment
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