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Pandonetho
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada321 Posts
November 19 2010 20:05 GMT
#41
As already mentioned, reading is a great way to learn more vocabulary.

Personally, when I was in Junior High I had a pretty advanced vocab because I was obsessed with writing short story fan fics so I would always strive to improve my writing which in turn improved my English in general.

However, since Junior High I've stopped a lot of what I used to do (reading, writing) and now my English is as mediocre as the next person's.
Ogna
Profile Joined November 2008
United States106 Posts
November 19 2010 20:21 GMT
#42
Reading is great, all kinds of books all kinds of subjects.

What i know is that when you look up the words in a dictonary, make sentences using those words a few times so youre "comfortable with them. this can help you remember the words a lot better.

CheezDip
Profile Joined June 2010
126 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 20:41:46
November 19 2010 20:40 GMT
#43
I add to a list any word I see or hear that I don't readily know the meaning or useage of, and I'll often have my pocket dictionary at hand for a quick lookup. Then every night I pick one or two words, write a definition, research the different ways it can be used and come up with my own sentence or two; a custom word-a-day in essence. I've added over 430 words to my vocabulary in the last year.
Sulli
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada236 Posts
November 19 2010 20:51 GMT
#44
On November 19 2010 23:15 riptide wrote:
A lot of people are probably going to recommend books, tutorials, grammar exercises, and some of they may even be good. As a teacher though, let me just rehash what I tell students all the time.

Language is usually a numbers game. Looking up words is good, but usually you'll need to look up the same word a few times on a few different occasions for it to sink in. Also, in many cases, despite looking up the definition of the word, you will most likely remember the word based on the contexts you have already seen it in. That's why reading is so important - the amount you 'improve' in the written variety of a language is largely correlated to how much time you spend reading and writing in it.

If you are a native speaker, the most effective way to increased fluency is reading. It's unfortunate that you don't like to read, but my advice would be to find something you do like to read. Of course, if you're looking to really expand your vocabulary, read across genres, and read widely at that.

In fact a great way to get started in this exercise is to grab a copy of <em>The Language Instinct</em> by Pinker. It'll help you understand more about your brain's language center and why reading is such an important part of language acquisition.

Basically our brains are wired to 'learn' or acquire (in your case, acquire more, or 'improve') language while we use it, so unless you are reading (and writing, since output cements what you have acquired), you probably wont get very far.

Anyway, good luck!


Thank you for suggesting The Language Instinct. I rushed to the library and picked up a worn and yellowed copy for myself and I was immediately absorbed. I'm not a habitual reader, and have often become frustrated with the level of my language use. The book is quite easily read, but at the same time the writing is precise and the subject is fascinating.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 19 2010 20:52 GMT
#45
Using words is the only way to remember them for the long term. If you are looking to improve your vocabulary try writing essays or speeches. Remember to incorporate the words that you want to learn as well.
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Marcjuh
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands25 Posts
November 19 2010 20:55 GMT
#46
Watch a shit ton of tv.
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
November 19 2010 21:03 GMT
#47
Reading.

Best thing ever. That or socialize. How else can you improve your english if you don't put it to the test in actual speaking? If you're looking for a word, look it up and understand the meaning. It's easier to figure out how to sink it in since you know it should be used (Train, either going to take the train or train your students).

You dig?
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
November 19 2010 21:03 GMT
#48
Good news everyone i learned alot by watching futurama.
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Nienordir
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
November 19 2010 21:24 GMT
#49
As non native, the best way for me is to read/write lots of stuff online or watching films/tv-shows with subtitles.

However as a native speaker I wouldn't recommend reading as a way to improve english. The only way is to use it. Write a story or articles for a website. Use a office programm with error correction, so you'll be aware of mistakes. (it's the memorizing of those that makes you better)

But the absolutely best way is to engage in "poetry slam". Those guys use their language and the words in such a sophisticated way that it will blow your mind. They offer insight into our boring straight forward society. Encapsulate political and other interesting point of views into a colorful language that touches people. And it creates art that you'll be proud of even years later.

Just watch it on youtube (I'm sure they have it too). It's super inspiring and really cool stuff..
Triscuit
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States722 Posts
November 19 2010 21:27 GMT
#50
I actually think I have a pretty good grasp on the English language, and I don't read very many books at all. I think the main source of my vocabulary, grammar, etc. is from reading forums, articles, and wikipedia entries online.

I think the biggest part of having a broad vocabulary is understanding the roots, prefixes, and suffixes of words. If I see a word I don't understand, my first line of defense is to try to find the root and see if that is familiar in other words I have seen. If so, I look at the rest and try to determine how that modifies the root. It doesn't always work, but thinking critically about a word is probably the fastest way to get it to register in your memory once you do go out and look it up.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
November 19 2010 22:32 GMT
#51
On November 20 2010 03:44 emythrel wrote:
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On November 20 2010 03:36 T0fuuu wrote:
Screw reading. Watch better tv. Im serious. Some people have a natural talent for talking in a colourful and interesting way. You can borrow that and apply it in your writing.



i suggest that you have just proven that Tv isn't a good way to improve english since you can't construct a grammatically correct sentence. You used three periods that should be either comma's or not punctuated at all.

Reading has been proven to improve vocabulary and grammar, listening to someone speak isn't a great way to improve grammar but you will probably learn new words. You will still need a dictionary to find out what they mean and without having them written down, it's a lot harder to do that unless you have a good understanding of the rules behind how words are spelt.

Reading is better for one simple reason, people rarely use idioms when writing. When speaking people use idioms all the time and that can give you a false sense of what the word means.

Ouch? What do you read? It sounds pretty boring if there are no "broken rules" in it. I suppose if the only thing you read is business papers or journals then everything would be all correct.
zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
November 19 2010 22:55 GMT
#52
On November 20 2010 06:27 Triscuit wrote:
I actually think I have a pretty good grasp on the English language, and I don't read very many books at all. I think the main source of my vocabulary, grammar, etc. is from reading forums, articles, and wikipedia entries online.

I think the biggest part of having a broad vocabulary is understanding the roots, prefixes, and suffixes of words. If I see a word I don't understand, my first line of defense is to try to find the root and see if that is familiar in other words I have seen. If so, I look at the rest and try to determine how that modifies the root. It doesn't always work, but thinking critically about a word is probably the fastest way to get it to register in your memory once you do go out and look it up.


i.e. spend a year or two learning Latin
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:35:27
November 19 2010 23:21 GMT
#53
On November 20 2010 06:03 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
Good news everyone i learned alot by watching futurama.

How to make four mistakes in a sentence consisting of nine words?

+ Show Spoiler [German] +
Das entspricht übrigens einem FQ von ~44, ab 5 gibt's 'ne 6 für Orthographie.


I have read some The Economist issues, but they weren't particularly stimulating, to be honest. If you want to enrich your vocabulary (and if you are into Sci-Fi), you can (try to) read the Neuromancer trilogy. I consider my vocabulary to be vast, but the first book made me doubt that assumption for a while. I have yet to read part two and three, but I expect they aren't going to be very easy reads, either. Gibson uses a wide variety of low-frequency words, it seems.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 19 2010 23:32 GMT
#54
On November 20 2010 07:55 zzaaxxsscd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 06:27 Triscuit wrote:
I actually think I have a pretty good grasp on the English language, and I don't read very many books at all. I think the main source of my vocabulary, grammar, etc. is from reading forums, articles, and wikipedia entries online.

I think the biggest part of having a broad vocabulary is understanding the roots, prefixes, and suffixes of words. If I see a word I don't understand, my first line of defense is to try to find the root and see if that is familiar in other words I have seen. If so, I look at the rest and try to determine how that modifies the root. It doesn't always work, but thinking critically about a word is probably the fastest way to get it to register in your memory once you do go out and look it up.


i.e. spend a year or two learning Latin


Studying a foreign language is a great way to learn about grammar in general.

I'm not sure the OP has explained exactly what he wants out of this though. If he wants to build a better vocabulary he can either study sheets, which I don't think will help him incorporate the words, or read a lot.

If he's interested in becoming a better writer, then he needs to read and write.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 19 2010 23:37 GMT
#55
The Baldur's Gate series did pretty good for my vocabulary when I was in probably middle school. Had a pompous little noble throwing around words like "asinine" over in BG2.
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red_hq
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:46:02
November 19 2010 23:45 GMT
#56
I like playing the game banana-grams
It's like free form scrabble but basically you get about 20 (depending on players) tiles and you have to make a crossword with them with no repeat words and whenever one of the players finish they call draw or peel and everyone gets another tile until there are none left. I like to play it right after I study for English class and try to use some new words and it helps to sink in some of the new words I just learned.

As for grammar IDK mine is pretty bad too.
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alurlol
Profile Joined October 2010
England197 Posts
November 19 2010 23:52 GMT
#57
Just read up on as previously mentioned, books, blogs and listen in on streams and shit. My vocabulary isn't great so whenever I see a word I don't know the meaning of I just pop it in to Google and try to memorize it
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
November 20 2010 06:47 GMT
#58
I learned a lot from WoW and Youtube blogers such as (CTFxC, Phillie, Rocketboom, Shay, KassemG etc.)
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 06:53:44
November 20 2010 06:52 GMT
#59
Read a dictionary for fun, although personally i prefer encyclopedias, i have a complete set of Britannica take some time to understand denotation and connotation. Words do not work on death ears.

Grammar is nice but as long as people understand you,i don't see a problem. Although i do have fun when using words in uncommon ways.
achacttn
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia82 Posts
November 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#60
Watch movies. Lots of english movies, mainstream ones, anything. Just watch a lot. I am Korean, but I came to NZ when I was like 1 year old (almost 18 now). My korean sucked ASS, but after watching like ~100 movies, it is up to par with people my age, although I am still a bit lacking in specific vocabulary (e.g. in school subjects, stuff like cytoplasm in korean, etc)
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