On November 04 2010 08:09 Scruffy wrote: From what it sounds like, everyone (foreigners) believes what the mainstream American liberal media wants them to believe. Both funny and sad.
Also "Republicans are Uber rasist Christian and they will always be outraged when someone presents another view of an issue".
Kind of like Obama's preacher of 20 years, Reverend Wright. His Black Liberation Theology really does it for me. Liberals are a paragon of "bipartisanship", as evidenced by cramming healthcare down the American people's respective throats Edit: with no Republican input. Listening to Repubs and then throwing them out of the closed door meeting doesn't count, sorry.
Way to conform to the exact stereotype you said was unfairly labeled.
Non-USA people, this is a typical tea-partier. You can tell by the way he calls mainstream media 'liberal" and a 60% majority vote in the senate "cramming down the people's throats."
People like this only believe in democracy when it's convenient for them and the results conforms to their agenda. They wrap themselves in the flag and claim to love their country, and then plug their ears and start yelling when they lose in a democratic process.
I'm referring to polling data, you genius. While I didn't personally vote for the idiots that ran Congress from 2006 to the present, unfortunately, my country did. So what we have now is the consequence. You can gang up on me all you want for my views, doesn't make your lack of a valid argument any better. No one will talk about Reverend Wright, because its a valid point.
On November 04 2010 08:08 Krigwin wrote: Outside of the US everyone thinks the Democrats have the right idea and a lot of the Republicans/Tea Party are batshit crazy or even outright evil by other countries' standards. Meanwhile inside the US the Democrats have been painted as some kind of evil European Socialist party and ends up losing tons of seats to said Republicans. Then in this thread outsiders are claimed to be "US bashing" and "biased" or "misinformed".
So what's wrong with this picture?
American corporations aren't pumping billions of dollars of brainwashing into your countries. (Well, they probably are, but not for U.S. elections.)
On November 04 2010 08:09 Scruffy wrote: From what it sounds like, everyone (foreigners) believes what the mainstream American liberal media wants them to believe. Both funny and sad.
Also "Republicans are Uber rasist Christian and they will always be outraged when someone presents another view of an issue".
Kind of like Obama's preacher of 20 years, Reverend Wright. His Black Liberation Theology really does it for me. Liberals are a paragon of "bipartisanship", as evidenced by cramming healthcare down the American people's respective throats Edit: with no Republican input. Listening to Repubs and then throwing them out of the closed door meeting doesn't count, sorry.
Thank you, this is a perfect example.
I am so SORRY. I must have gotten my facts wrong. Reverend Wright is a respectable man, and far from a racist. When he preaches such gems as, "not God bless America, God d*** America", it just makes me all warm and tingly inside. Those feisty corporations, they had me all along.
Someone some guy listened to one time two decades ago doesn't make him unqualified for presidency. Heck, let's ignore all the facts of what Obama has done for this nation, let's look at his evil pastor from 20 years ago!
He was his pastor like 3 years ago until he found out that having a racist, America hating pastor wasn't cool to the American people. Really?!?!
On November 04 2010 08:28 shaunnn wrote: I love how republicans never try defend the positives of their policys, they just flame the democrats and make them out to be as bad/worse then them
You can't defend policies when the Democrats are in control (therefore they don't exist). Maybe soon, I will defend our policies when they have a chance of being enacted.
On November 04 2010 08:09 Scruffy wrote: From what it sounds like, everyone (foreigners) believes what the mainstream American liberal media wants them to believe. Both funny and sad.
Also "Republicans are Uber rasist Christian and they will always be outraged when someone presents another view of an issue".
Kind of like Obama's preacher of 20 years, Reverend Wright. His Black Liberation Theology really does it for me. Liberals are a paragon of "bipartisanship", as evidenced by cramming healthcare down the American people's respective throats Edit: with no Republican input. Listening to Repubs and then throwing them out of the closed door meeting doesn't count, sorry.
Way to conform to the exact stereotype you said was unfairly labeled.
Non-USA people, this is a typical tea-partier. You can tell by the way he calls mainstream media 'liberal" and a 60% majority vote in the senate "cramming down the people's throats."
People like this only believe in democracy when it's convenient for them and the results conforms to their agenda. They wrap themselves in the flag and claim to love their country, and then plug their ears and start yelling when they lose in a democratic process.
I'm referring to polling data, you genius. While I didn't personally vote for the idiots that ran Congress from 2006 to the present, unfortunately, my country did. So what we have now is the consequence. You can gang up on me all you want for my views, doesn't make your lack of a valid argument any better. No one will talk about Reverend Wright, because its a valid point.
Of course you didn't vote. It's because you're 14, and not worth arguing with.
On November 04 2010 08:21 Piy wrote: Honestly, most people in UK thinks American politics are corrupt, over patriotic and overly aggressive. We hate republicans and think Obama is doing a really good job trying to steer the retarded system towards anything resembling progress.
Like noone in the UK can believe anyone would be so stupid as to oppose the health care reform or support the right to bear arms.
The right to bear arms is actually in our constitution, and quite frankly I don't think its nearly as crazy as europeans would imagine (though of course I am American, so there you go).
And the republicans never stated outright that they opposed health care reform. They simply blocked it at every turn because they didn't want it to pass under Democrat guidance, because then they could argue that the democrats didn't get anything done. It's political bickering and impeding everything and its really annoying.
Essentially Republicans want health care reform only if they're making it. Although all the changes I heard republicans suggest were incredibly minor and wouldn't have changed the system at all. Democrats wanted a more dramatic overhaul.
Personally, I find the system in the USA anything but democratic or beneficial for its citizens.
Two-party system means you'll divide your population drastically in two camps, causing conflicts and infighting which will hamper the day-to-day-lives of politically alert people as well as cause headbutting and partisanship in the upper political ranks concerning lawpassing and so on. This will also polarize the view of the world, of us versus them, and good versus bad, which has an overall bad effect. Variety and choices is good - the US has neither.
Both your political parties are terrible. The republicans are portrayed as religious zealots, warmongerers and corporatists without any care about anything but the top 5% of the economic elite. The democrats are portrayed as spineless, weak and lacking unificiation to succeed in the two-party system - while the republicans will hive-mind together for or against any case the party so choose, the democrats vary in stance for each politician, meaning they struggle at lot more to get their political will through.
Your campaigning is a joke. It goes on for extended ammounts of time, with astronomical spending in each and every state. The campaigning is crude and simple, enticing only the most basic of understanding from its followers, but due to the them / us-mentality in the country, this works to make people vote anyhow. Economically wasteful and grotsequely vulgar - a display of wealth akin to the kings of ancient times.
Since much weight is being put on campaigning, and so much money is needed, this easilly enables resourceful corporations to dictate the direction of politics far outside of what's acceptable for a money-focused organization to control. The lobbying system is an extension of this, and is also reprehensible (although yes, this exists in pretty much all countries.) The will of the economic minority on top goes over the needs of the majority due to money deciding the politics.
On November 04 2010 08:09 Scruffy wrote: From what it sounds like, everyone (foreigners) believes what the mainstream American liberal media wants them to believe. Both funny and sad.
Also "Republicans are Uber rasist Christian and they will always be outraged when someone presents another view of an issue".
Kind of like Obama's preacher of 20 years, Reverend Wright. His Black Liberation Theology really does it for me. Liberals are a paragon of "bipartisanship", as evidenced by cramming healthcare down the American people's respective throats Edit: with no Republican input. Listening to Repubs and then throwing them out of the closed door meeting doesn't count, sorry.
Way to conform to the exact stereotype you said was unfairly labeled.
Non-USA people, this is a typical tea-partier. You can tell by the way he calls mainstream media 'liberal" and a 60% majority vote in the senate "cramming down the people's throats."
People like this only believe in democracy when it's convenient for them and the results conforms to their agenda. They wrap themselves in the flag and claim to love their country, and then plug their ears and start yelling when they lose in a democratic process.
I'm referring to polling data, you genius. While I didn't personally vote for the idiots that ran Congress from 2006 to the present, unfortunately, my country did. So what we have now is the consequence. You can gang up on me all you want for my views, doesn't make your lack of a valid argument any better. No one will talk about Reverend Wright, because its a valid point.
Of course you didn't vote. It's because you're 14.
I voted for the other people. Man, you just won't stay on the argument, will you? "Haha, you're 14". This isn't the middle school playground anymore. Also, its not worth it arguing in this thread anymore. You will bring me down to your level and beat me with experience.
On November 04 2010 07:02 Almin wrote: American's are dumb.
All the Europeans here can agree.
Yesterday, there was a big vote and there were a lot of open seats in the house/senate. Guess what, Republicans take the house with ease, and almost take the Senate.
For some reason Republicans have the cash to spend millions on ads, (Which we see constantly on television) and 97% of their campaign donations are from millionaires and billionaires. Tell me, who do the Republicans represent? Not the middle class. I can't believe how idiotic Americans are, 2 years after the worst 8 years of a downward sloap, they elect the same people that got into that mess. The Republicans themselves said their agenda wouldn't change from the Bush administration.
I find it funny how hypocritical Republicans are, they say they want to cut down on government size and spending, but that same government invades 2 countries in 8 years. When the oil spill happened, they went to the government to fix it.
REPUBLICANS WERE AGAINST PUTTING BP UNDER OATH IN COURT- I MEAN COME ON, WHO DO THEY REPRESENT? The rich people. They're constantly hammering how the top 2% of Americas richest need a tax cut? LOL, they don't even spend their money so the economy wouldn't get better if the rich got one.
TL;DR= Dumb ass Americans vote in the rich white politicians again hoping that things will get better with them in the house/senate.
This is the sad truth. You should buy some glasses if you don't know this is the actualy truth. And to the ones who still think obama and all those bush like people will change anything they should try to dig further in what is actually going on.
I love that the question in this forum is how do FOREIGNERS view US politics and most of the posters here are US Americans and they are arguing with the foreigners or amongst them selfs...
On November 04 2010 08:25 domovoi wrote: I don't quite understand why Europeans think the Republican party is "far-right." "Far-right" is fascism. Except for a few minor policies (abortion and gay marriage), which are increasingly becoming less relevant, nothing about the Republican platform is fascist.
waging war like the republicans do .... some would call that facism.
Scruffy, throwing talking points from FoX News won't do with europeans.... your kind of thinking is basically not existing in Europe ... as is a party like the GOP.
Well, as someone has pointed out Europe and the US might have similar policies regarding a lot of issues, but the main difference lies in what the people seem to focus on or what peoples perception is. For example:
- Gay marriage? There is not much difference in policy currently. But it is such a "no-issue" in Europe. It's widley accepted and just a matter of time until the last differences fall in this area. While in the US people still go batshit about it.
- Abortion? 30 years back, it may have been an issue to be talked about in Europe..
- Politicians private live? I don't know about the private lives of any politician in Switzerland - not if they are married, if they have children, if they have been divorced for five times or which god they pray to, nor do I care. Try running for an Office in the US, and these are big time issues.
- Guns. Yeah Switzerland hands out weapons to everyone who finishes their service in the Swiss military, so a lot of households do own Guns. On the other hand, have I ever met anyone who bought a gun besides that, or who ever - and I mean ever - thought about carrying a gun around in his private live? the answer is no. Is there anyone here in Switzerland who thinks he is safer, if people carry their guns to protect themselves? Never met one.
Another thing, most European countries might have their right wing figures, may it be Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, Jean-Marie le Pen in France, until recently Joerg Haider in Austria or Blocher in Switzerland. Those guys might have their extreme positions and followers, but they are far from being stupid and they can't just say stuff like "Cut Taxes - everything goood!", "Small Goverment - very gooood" or "We need more smalltown thinking...". They wouldn't draw a single follower with this kind of stuff in Europe.
While on the other hand, we have the US with a growing crowd of Palins, Bachmans and O'Donnels. I don't think I need to describe them to anyone... Just plain stupid, and we don't get how politicians like that can get a single vote in America.
On November 04 2010 08:15 Electric.Jesus wrote: I see US politics through the eyes of Jon Stewart who, in my eyes is one of the few independet media sources left. The major news networks have decided to follow political agendas and can, thereofre, not be considered a valid source for infromation/education (both sides, Gleenn Beck or Ed Schulz - both nutjobs).
Also, to quote Stepehn Colbert: Reality has a liberal bias! So mabye that is why most Europeans can identify more with democrats than republicans.
Jon Stewart??? Really. Thats kind of scary. You know he's a political satirist right? Most Americans get all their news from him too. Hence the problem. A bunch of people thinking they know everything about politics because they watch The Daily Show. And if you think he's not biased...Well then.
What is, in your opinion, the alternative? Fox News? From what I can judge,political satirists are nowadays the only people who are able to state the facts without partisan rhethoric.
This is, sadly, not only the case for the US. In Germany, politicians have also stopped talking about issues but - similar to the US - started to debating ideologies and emotions. A sayd B is bad, B says A is worse, A says B is hitler, blablabla. But apparantly, this pays off more for politicians than engaging in a discussion about issues.
Personally i find it interesting, if only because the US holds a lot of world power and is quite influential.
to be honest i see the US as a pretty conservative country compared to the general political climate of europe. democrats which are apparently left wing are no more left wing than the british labour party in my opinion, which tends to identify itself as center. i believe the republican party is as right wing and insulting as the BNP, though without as much xenophobia.
being rather liberal by european standards obviously i welcomed news of victory for the democrats 2 years ago.
On November 04 2010 08:25 domovoi wrote: I don't quite understand why Europeans think the Republican party is "far-right." "Far-right" is fascism. Except for a few minor policies (abortion and gay marriage), which are increasingly becoming less relevant, nothing about the Republican platform is fascist.
waging war like the republicans do .... some would call that facism.
Well, it's not like only fascists engage in war, though point taken. Still it's not a Republican platform at the moment.
America is so far to the right from a european point of view, that most of your politics seem backward and stupid to most. Furthermore your political system seems very "weird" for a democracy (not to say broken). I know of no other country with a 2 party system (not even gonna mention the whole corporate/money problem lol democracy). Your "politics" is full of silly "scandals" and throwing dirt at each other like children in the sand box. So yeah, at least in my eyes, you went from the country everybody wanted to be like to the country everbody likes feeling superior to.
Edit: The european view on america is basically everthing Bill Maher says about the U.S. minus all his Peta/germs nonsense.
On November 04 2010 08:41 Monsen wrote: America is so far to the right from a european point of view, that most of your politics seem backward and stupid to most. Furthermore your political system seems very "weird" for a democracy (not to say broken). I know of no other country with a 2 party system (not even gonna mention the whole corporate/money problem lol democracy). Your "politics" is full of silly "scandals" and throwing dirt at each other like children in the sand box. So yeah, at least in my eyes, you went from the country everybody wanted to be like to the country everbody likes feeling superior to.
Personally i like south korea's congress more where they punch each other with fists instead of words.
On November 04 2010 08:36 HeadhunteR wrote: I love that the question in this forum is how do FOREIGNERS view US politics and most of the posters here are US Americans and they are arguing with the foreigners or amongst them selfs...
I kinda admired Scruffy for a second for having the balls to argue the republican case on a message board that is (due to demographics more than anything) likely to be hostile. Then he argued like people from 4chan. DERP.
seriously though, I really hope that US politics follows what European politics did c.100 years ago and shift away from this Laissez faire liberalism that people realized was bullshit when they came to the realization that someone could be poor for reasons other than being judged by God or being lazy.
On November 04 2010 08:08 Krigwin wrote: Outside of the US everyone thinks the Democrats have the right idea and a lot of the Republicans/Tea Party are batshit crazy or even outright evil by other countries' standards. Meanwhile inside the US the Democrats have been painted as some kind of evil European Socialist party and ends up losing tons of seats to said Republicans. Then in this thread outsiders are claimed to be "US bashing" and "biased" or "misinformed".
So what's wrong with this picture?
American corporations aren't pumping billions of dollars of brainwashing into your countries. (Well, they probably are, but not for U.S. elections.)
On November 04 2010 08:09 Scruffy wrote: From what it sounds like, everyone (foreigners) believes what the mainstream American liberal media wants them to believe. Both funny and sad.
Also "Republicans are Uber rasist Christian and they will always be outraged when someone presents another view of an issue".
Kind of like Obama's preacher of 20 years, Reverend Wright. His Black Liberation Theology really does it for me. Liberals are a paragon of "bipartisanship", as evidenced by cramming healthcare down the American people's respective throats Edit: with no Republican input. Listening to Repubs and then throwing them out of the closed door meeting doesn't count, sorry.
Thank you, this is a perfect example.
I am so SORRY. I must have gotten my facts wrong. Reverend Wright is a respectable man, and far from a racist. When he preaches such gems as, "not God bless America, God d*** America", it just makes me all warm and tingly inside. Those feisty corporations, they had me all along.
You realize that the all god bless america thing is plain ridiculous right? Even though i dont think he said that for those reasons,in the end if god exists(lol) he's no more american than ethiopian,doesnt care more about prayers of blond little child in big houses with a picture of mom dad and the sun hanging on the fridge,than those of a black hobo leaving in a mud hut.
Edit: Oh and btw,religion has nothing to do in politics,and politics has nothing to do in religion. I dont want to hear my fucking pope views on abortion/condom,i don't understand why you want to hear your priest thoughts about immigration/presidential election.
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