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Im praying for the democrats to win the next 100 elections or so. Basically Bush took everything Clinton built up, and turned into rubble, and let the next democrat try to build it up. Now Americans are whining because Obama doesnt have a magic fix for all the crappy shit that Bush stirred up. Thats only internal politics.
I`d love to see the socalled weapons of mass destruction Iraq apparently were producing. Watching Colin Powell present jokelike materiale (pictures of some trailers) and thats is enough to justify USA to invade a country, and it turns out, wooops, no weapons there, but oh wait, we found some oil.. go figure.
Your health system is a joke. Its the most dividing system ever. If you dont have insurance, your screwed. You could look towards Europe for some ideas. given our systems arent perfect, but atleast here you can get help eventhough your not rich.
Sarah Palin is a joke, just like George (I am not so smart) Bush, how on earth did you actually vote him in as a president, that is beyond me. I wouldnt be surprised if Palin gets president one day, jumping after Bush should be easy pickings
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On November 04 2010 06:06 KwarK wrote:
how is abortion an important issue for anyone anywhere ever?!?!?!
Maybe for the millions of babies that have been brutally murdered since Roe vs Wade
Or the mothers that are coerced to abort their baby by a society who completely rejects the reality of the situation - that it is a murder of an unborn human being.
I don't know but please don't prejudice and say abortion is a religious issue, it's not. And don't ignore the issue just because you disagree with it, because it is profoundly important and should be a huge priority for policy makers.
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On November 04 2010 08:46 domovoi wrote:Show nested quote +I know of no other country with a 2 party system (not even gonna mention the whole corporate/money problem lol democracy). Taiwan, Japan (more like a one-party system amirite), Korea, the UK until recently, Canada if you don't count the crazy Frenchies...
Or the NDP... or the Green (sorta)...
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On November 04 2010 09:05 domovoi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 09:00 trevabob wrote:On November 04 2010 08:50 Scruffy wrote:On November 04 2010 08:45 clementdudu wrote:On November 04 2010 08:22 Scruffy wrote:On November 04 2010 08:19 Severedevil wrote:On November 04 2010 08:08 Krigwin wrote:
Outside of the US everyone thinks the Democrats have the right idea and a lot of the Republicans/Tea Party are batshit crazy or even outright evil by other countries' standards. Meanwhile inside the US the Democrats have been painted as some kind of evil European Socialist party and ends up losing tons of seats to said Republicans. Then in this thread outsiders are claimed to be "US bashing" and "biased" or "misinformed".
So what's wrong with this picture? American corporations aren't pumping billions of dollars of brainwashing into your countries. (Well, they probably are, but not for U.S. elections.) On November 04 2010 08:09 Scruffy wrote:
From what it sounds like, everyone (foreigners) believes what the mainstream American liberal media wants them to believe. Both funny and sad.
Also "Republicans are Uber rasist Christian and they will always be outraged when someone presents another view of an issue".
Kind of like Obama's preacher of 20 years, Reverend Wright. His Black Liberation Theology really does it for me. Liberals are a paragon of "bipartisanship", as evidenced by cramming healthcare down the American people's respective throats Edit: with no Republican input. Listening to Repubs and then throwing them out of the closed door meeting doesn't count, sorry. Thank you, this is a perfect example. I am so SORRY. I must have gotten my facts wrong. Reverend Wright is a respectable man, and far from a racist. When he preaches such gems as, "not God bless America, God d*** America", it just makes me all warm and tingly inside. Those feisty corporations, they had me all along. You realize that the all god bless america thing is plain ridiculous right? Even though i dont think he said that for those reasons,in the end if god exists(lol) he's no more american than ethiopian,doesnt care more about prayers of blond little child in big houses with a picture of mom dad and the sun hanging on the fridge,than those of a black hobo leaving in a mud hut. Well, you aren't from America, which is a predominantly Christian country, so you wouldn't understand. IE. its very offensive to most of us what he said. Edit: Even if you aren't religious, its pretty bad to hate your own country. I see know reason why one should be obliged to love their own country? just because you were born there, you are supposed to ignore all its problems? Then again I am somewhat of an anti-patriotic/nationalist, but still, question these assumptions that you make. Furthermore I fail to see how his statement is offensive to "most of us" unless "you" are an fundamentalist and a racist, in which case I hope you are fucking offended. Nationalism is scary... but I think just as misguided are those who have a large antipathy toward their own country, especially if they are Westerners who are by far the richest people ever to live on this planet. Basically, it's a lack of perspective for the position they are currently in, where a lot of good policies allowed them to live a relatively care-free life.
That's fair enough, but it is possible to not love one's country, whilst also admitting that it isn't that bad.
In a semi-related example, the marxist-y radical left philosopher Slavoj Zizek (who incidentally is an anti-patriotic) has stated that while he thinks that modern liberal democracy is a bad thing and that there are better models that fit better with his ideal, he would still much rather live in these Western liberal democracies than in any of the currently communist states.
I know it's not an exact example but it conveys my point fairly well.
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I find American politics painful to watch. Every time they take a step in the right direction, they just decide to take 2 steps back. I don't know what it is, but I just feel like too many Americans are too misinformed about their own policies, as well as the politics of other countries. It seems like everybody follows the loudest, angriest voice, that's promising to do the opposite of what's currently going on. Like, EVERYONE outside the US loves Obama, and not too long ago, so did the US. Idk what happened there.
Then there's the policy forming itself. Everyone wants healthcare reform, but you get half the people fighting the damn bill, people protesting it outside the white house, which can be expected, and the bill just get destroyed. It's just a shadow of what it was supposed to be. Like, what the hell does everyone want?!?
I'm not exactly sure of the consequences of the elections last night, but if I understand, it's pretty much gonna be deadlocked like a minority government over here. But that's politics as usual, shit's not gonna get done.
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actually Mormon's and cientology are some of the biggest shits your country produced!
I saw a 60 minutes episode with the cientology religion and my first tought was
"WTF only in america.."
I like USA again since Obama took over because GWB was simply a tool in the hands of some very bad guys.. that guy was retarded!
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On November 04 2010 09:09 oceanblack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 06:06 KwarK wrote:
how is abortion an important issue for anyone anywhere ever?!?!?! Maybe for the millions of babies that have been brutally murdered since Roe vs Wade Or the mothers that are coerced to abort their baby by a society who completely rejects the reality of the situation - that it is a murder of an unborn human being. I don't know but please don't prejudice and say abortion is a religious issue, it's not. And don't ignore the issue just because you disagree with it, because it is profoundly important and should be a huge priority for policy makers.
That is one opinion, however we should probably keep the "sanctity of life vs quality of life" argument out of this thread.
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On November 04 2010 09:12 shell wrote:
actually Mormon's and cientology are some of the biggest shits your country produced!
Scientology is too fringey to care that much about the negative effects, and it produces a lot of laughs for us. So a net plus there. (4chan would be nowhere near as popular without its anti-scientology efforts... positive or negative?)
Mormons have some whacky ideas, but in general, they are very nice, studious and hard-working people. Don't like how they view gay marriage, but overall they ain't so bad.
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For me its absolutely amazing how the americans ignore the existence of the austrian economy school for so long. With the good ol stimulate policy of Obama its basically even more of the same
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On November 04 2010 06:52 maliceee wrote:
Its nice to see that hate permeates through international borders. It must be nice to stereotype half of the US as stupid and religious bigots. *sigh*
What's really sad is that the stereotype is the sad truth.
Have you ever been through Texas/Midwest/The South?
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How the rest of the world sees the USA?
Amazingly stupid.
On November 04 2010 08:08 Krigwin wrote:
Outside of the US everyone thinks the Democrats have the right idea and a lot of the Republicans/Tea Party are batshit crazy or even outright evil by other countries' standards. Meanwhile inside the US the Democrats have been painted as some kind of evil European Socialist party and ends up losing tons of seats to said Republicans. Then in this thread outsiders are claimed to be "US bashing" and "biased" or "misinformed".
So what's wrong with this picture?
Krigwin had the right idea in my opinion. Republicans are just... running the country into the ground with their 'conservatism' (that lately has been an unwillingness to change anything on the current course of action which has led to 2 wars and an out of control national deficit) and the Democrats really are seen as the only way out of the mess.
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What I do like about politics in the US:
I like it that you have 2 "camps" in politics (liberals and conservatists) and not a gazillion of parties who shift in and out of focus and often swing completely other way.
Makes it more transparent.
What I don't like about politics in the US:
I hate how much elections turn into a show, and I hate it even more because it's starting to be the same here.
I don't like the president being god-like figure with power above everything else (at least that's how it appears).
I really don't get each state having its own laws and regulations, basically making it a separate country.
I don't really understand the "forced democracy" model and pursuing it at all costs when it clearly causes more problems than anything. (Ridiculous amounts of absolutely baffling court cases where some "freedom" is being infringed come to mind)
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When measuring by IQ, Americans are no more or less stupider than Europeans, on average. Controlling for ethnicity, I recall that Americans are smarter than Europeans.
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It seems to me that alot of very uneducated people get a very large say in what happens, where as the educated and progressive people get shit on, repeatedly. (at least thats how it seems to me). Although i think the problem is less of an issue in northern states.
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On November 04 2010 09:23 domovoi wrote:
When measuring by IQ, Americans are no more or less stupider than Europeans, on average. Controlling for ethnicity, I recall that Americans are smarter than Europeans.
"more or less stupider"?
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On November 04 2010 09:09 oceanblack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 06:06 KwarK wrote:
how is abortion an important issue for anyone anywhere ever?!?!?! Maybe for the millions of babies that have been brutally murdered since Roe vs Wade Or the mothers that are coerced to abort their baby by a society who completely rejects the reality of the situation - that it is a murder of an unborn human being. I don't know but please don't prejudice and say abortion is a religious issue, it's not. And don't ignore the issue just because you disagree with it, because it is profoundly important and should be a huge priority for policy makers.
Since you're concerned about bundles of cells with potential, you don't clean your toilet?
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On November 04 2010 09:09 oceanblack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 06:06 KwarK wrote:
how is abortion an important issue for anyone anywhere ever?!?!?! Maybe for the millions of babies that have been brutally murdered since Roe vs Wade Or the mothers that are coerced to abort their baby by a society who completely rejects the reality of the situation - that it is a murder of an unborn human being. I don't know but please don't prejudice and say abortion is a religious issue, it's not. And don't ignore the issue just because you disagree with it, because it is profoundly important and should be a huge priority for policy makers.
Baw, little authoritarian isn't getting his way.
If only you could, oceanblack; if only it were possible.
However, do not be yet dismayed. Hope at the end of the tunnel:
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On November 04 2010 09:09 oceanblack wrote:
Maybe for the millions of babies that have been brutally murdered since Roe vs Wade
They were spared the medocricy of living in an overpopulated world where fearmongering and mental control through information is the norm.
Or the mothers that are coerced to abort their baby by a society who completely rejects the reality of the situation - that it is a murder of an unborn human being.
"You can't make someone do something that they wouldn't already do"
Symptom, not cause. Weak minds breed weak people. It's good they aborted and didn't further devolve the human race.
I don't know but please don't prejudice and say abortion is a religious issue, it's not.
The argument stems from a morality precedent set forth by religion. The argument is a religious issue.
And don't ignore the issue just because you disagree with it, because it is profoundly important and should be a huge priority for policy makers.
It shouldn't be an issue. But then again, I also endorse remedial abortion.
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On November 04 2010 09:07 domovoi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 08:59 Blueyboyboy wrote:
i think that the US voting system is messed up.
Looking at the past elections and how Bush got elected for a second term.
Since the US voting system isn't priority based (as in vote 1-10) that means more people voted against bush but he still had the numbers against other parties. I think you mean the first term? Bush decisively won the popular vote in the second term. Yeah, the electoral college is obsolete and weird, but it almost always gives the correct result. The one time it didn't (2000), the national vote tallies were simply too close to say who "should've" won.
No its not, and people really need to learn how/why it works and the reasoning behind it before bashing it.
There's a list a mile long of things we need to fix before the electoral college, trust me.
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On November 04 2010 09:26 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 09:23 domovoi wrote:
When measuring by IQ, Americans are no more or less stupider than Europeans, on average. Controlling for ethnicity, I recall that Americans are smarter than Europeans. "more or less stupider"?
lol d'oh
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