I've watched a fair number of streams and shoutcasts, and one thing that really bothers me is when people mispronounce words over and over again. A lot of you don't speak English as a first language, so maybe it's excusable. On the other hand a lot of native English speakers are more or less illiterate .
My initial post is just going to be the tip of the iceberg, but hopefully you guys can come up with other commonly mispronounced words, which I'll add to this post periodically.
Here is a template we can use:
[b][url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/word][blue]Word[/blue][/url][/b] Pronounced: [pronunciation] Commonly mispronounced: [incorrect pronunciation] From: Game [i]Comments[/i]
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Adrenal Pronounced: [uh-dreen-l] Commonly mispronounced: [and-ruhl] From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 Thanks for the pronunciation, good humor, and great casts, Manifesto7.
Centrifugal American pronunciation: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] British pronunciation: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] From: StarCraft 2 Not so much a mistake as originally thought, though if you are American and say it the chiefly British way, educated Americans might look at you funny.
Melee Pronounced: [mey-ley] Commonly mispronounced: [muh-lee], [mee-lee] From: Lots of games Contributed by SUSUGAM.
This one was supposed to be a joke for the TL regs. Nony isn't even a word. Yes, the joke is ruined by me having to explain it, but there are a lot of people that don't use their heads.
This one was supposed to be a joke for the TL regs. Everyone knows how to pronounce tyler. Yes, the joke is ruined by me having to explain it, but there are a lot of people that don't use their heads.
Wreak Pronounced: [reek] Commonly mispronounced: [rek] From: Every game in which havoc is wreaked Contributed by groms.
Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
I don't know who you're listening to if you think more people pronounce it ZEElot then zeh-lut. Also I don't think many people call is maelstorm, unless they just straight up can't read.
sen-tri-fyoo-guhl is OK according to dictionary.com
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
On September 19 2010 17:45 ZlaSHeR wrote: I don't know who you're listening to if you think more people pronounce it ZEElot then zeh-lut. Also I don't think many people call is maelstorm, unless they just straight up can't read.
On September 19 2010 17:56 deL wrote: I think the thing with English is that these 'proper' pronunciations don't mean anything and the common alternatives are usually also 'right'.
lol what do u mean o_O
pretty commonly known that zealot's supposed to be zeh lutt and not zee lot~
[QUOTE]On September 19 2010 17:57 cursor wrote: [QUOTE]On September 19 2010 17:53 alffla wrote: ii thought visage was pronounced like VIS-AZZHHH .. like frenchy sounding.. non?[/QUOTE] Actually, its Vie-sAge. Like "Vie" for your life and a "Sage" of a religion.
ah well sounds nicer and cooler the frenchie way :D
A lot of the time there is more than one accepted way to pronounce something. Centrifugal, for example, is acceptable either way. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/centrifugal (click on the speaker)
I agree though it is annoying when commentators mispronounce stuff though and it couldn't hurt them to read this.
sen-tri-fyoo-guhl is OK according to dictionary.com
No it's not. [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] ≠ [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], as would be plain to any idiot but you, as they ... (wait for it) ... aren't the same.
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
Adrenal Pronounced: [uh-dreen-l] Commonly mispronounced: From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 I don't remember how he said it, but I watched a shoutcast some years ago where Manifesto7 (I think) had a really bizarre pronunciation for this.
Was it uh-dren-al? like in the word adrenaline? who says adreenal?
In physics, lots of people call it sen-tri-fyoo-gal so that there's a clear difference between centrifugal and centripetal. Cuz in lecture halls at 8am, they sound pretty damn similar
Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
In korean, it's pronouced zeelot. well, more like jeelut, but close enough. So maybe that's part of the reason? But yea I agree, zel-ut sounds a lot more badass. Also easier to say
On September 19 2010 18:03 Chex Mix wrote:
No it's not. [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] ≠ [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], as would be plain to any idiot but you, as they ... (wait for it) ... aren't the same.
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
Some people don't like sounding like douchebags (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. This post is for you
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
You are aware that people from England, you know where English was created pronounce sen-tri-fyoo-guhl the right way.
A lot of the time there is more than one accepted way to pronounce something. Centrifugal, for example, is acceptable either way. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/centrifugal (click on the speaker)
I agree though it is annoying when commentators mispronounce stuff though and it couldn't hurt them to read this.
The main point with centrifugal (and why I only listed one valid pronunciation) is which syllable people stress. As both valid pronunciations stress the second syllable, the important thing for people to realize is that the second syllable is stressed, not the third. So yes, "either" of the ways listed on dictionary.com is fine. But no, it is not true that "either" of the two pronunciations listed in the OP is correct, as only one of them is. The (commonly used) pronunciation that stresses the third syllable is incorrect.
sen-tri-fyoo-guhl is OK according to dictionary.com
No it's not. [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] ≠ [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], as would be plain to any idiot but you, as they ... (wait for it) ... aren't the same.
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
You are aware that people from England, you know where English was created pronounce sen-tri-fyoo-guhl the right way.
I am aware that most people on either side of the Atlantic pronounce centrifugal incorrectly, including you.
Adrenal Pronounced: [uh-dreen-l] Commonly mispronounced: From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 I don't remember how he said it, but I watched a shoutcast some years ago where Manifesto7 (I think) had a really bizarre pronunciation for this.
Was it uh-dren-al? like in the word adrenaline? who says adreenal?
You wouldn't say the uh-dren-al glands. We have triangular uh-dreen-al glands sitting on top of our kidneys. This one gets to me quite a bit haha. Also the "Centrifoogul" bothers me quite a bit.
Zealot has been discussed to near-death and maelstrom is people misreading it as storm or just having that make more sense.
I suppose I can tack on my dislike for the whole "You, sir" or even worse "kind, sir". It's getting real old, real quick. It was fun for a while but let's let it go.
Most (all?) languages change pronunciations of borrowed words to conform to native phonemes. When Korean announcers say "play-gu" they are speaking Korean, and it is therefore correct. Even if Korean has a word for plague, one of the Korean words for the plague spell in BW is "play-gu."
On September 19 2010 17:56 deL wrote: I think the thing with English is that these 'proper' pronunciations don't mean anything and the common alternatives are usually also 'right'.
This, It also takes no account into local dialects. Its like the eternal Bafth or Bahth (Bath) we get in England.
On September 19 2010 18:04 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Adrenal Pronounced: [uh-dreen-l] Commonly mispronounced: From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 I don't remember how he said it, but I watched a shoutcast some years ago where Manifesto7 (I think) had a really bizarre pronunciation for this.
Was it uh-dren-al? like in the word adrenaline? who says adreenal?
No, it was something so off the wall that there was no rational explanation for it, and that I've been unable to retain a memory of its sound. I think he swapped the d and the r, mispronounced the vowels in all three syllables, and stressed the wrong syllable ... or something like that.
On September 19 2010 17:56 deL wrote: I think the thing with English is that these 'proper' pronunciations don't mean anything and the common alternatives are usually also 'right'.
This, It also takes no account into local dialects. Its like the eternal Bafth or Bahth (Bath) we get in England.
The fact of the matter is that when most people study English, it's either the standard midwestern accent of American English or the received pronunciation of British English. It is meaningful and in most cases valid to claim that either (or both) of those accents is correct. My original post accounted for the two dominant accents and agrees with them both. Yeah, we're marginalizing all the Jamaican TLers. Sorry.
I'm not familiar with "Bafth" ... afaik there are two acceptable ways to say bath: the American way and the British way. Is there some controversy there I'm not aware of? What's with the f?
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
No one is going to contribute if you're gonna be an asshole.
Also, some of your words are hardly "Words Gamers Mispronounce". More like "Words a Gamer Mispronounced". As in once, then never again.
Seriously man, chill out. You're going to have a depressing life if someone stressing the wrong syllable in a word fucks you off this much. There are better things to care about.
Bio (in the Terran context) is short for biological, not bionic or biotic. You know, biological, as opposed to mechanical (mech). Not a mispronunciation, but sort of on-topic.
This one really annoys me because I hear it ALL THE TIME. People are like ZOMG he's going to WRECK(wreak) havoc in his base. Please add it to the OP if you have heard it like I'm sure so many others have.
On September 19 2010 18:51 RisingTide wrote: I'm Australian, all these words sound different even when I'm pronouncing them the correct way.
I mean, not really? Australian vowels are all shifted slightly, but the pronunciations given in the OP all basically hold for Australian English. Like, if your first syllable of zealot rhymes with bee instead of hell, you're saying it wrong, no matter how the Australian pronunciations of bee and hell vary slightly from British or American pronunciations.
On September 19 2010 18:59 groms wrote: How about [Wreak]?
This one really annoys me because I hear it ALL THE TIME. People are like ZOMG he's going to WRECK(wreak) havoc in his base. Please add it to the OP if you have heard it like I'm sure so many others have.
I concur. Tastosis make similar mistakes, which is quite annoying. Artosis (quite often) mixes up the players' names as well, which can be very confusing.
Adrenal Pronounced: [uh-dreen-l] Commonly mispronounced: From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 I don't remember how he said it, but I watched a shoutcast some years ago where Manifesto7 (I think) had a really bizarre pronunciation for this.
TOTALLY guilty. I always said "Andral". I wasn't even close and don't pretend to be. For the record, I like my made up word better.
On September 19 2010 19:08 Manifesto7 wrote: Oh, and hey, how about you don't be a douchebag in this thread? That would be great too.
I've been quite nice to everyone that was nice to me. Do I have to respond to douchebaggery with douchebaggery? No, but on occasion I do.
And so do you, for that matter. Wouldn't it have been better to say, "Chex Mix, I noticed you had a decidedly negative tone in one of your posts. I would appreciate it if you made every attempt to remain civilized." Probably! But instead you called me a douchebag. (I won't hold it against you.)
On September 19 2010 17:56 deL wrote: I think the thing with English is that these 'proper' pronunciations don't mean anything and the common alternatives are usually also 'right'.
This, It also takes no account into local dialects. Its like the eternal Bafth or Bahth (Bath) we get in England.
The fact of the matter is that when most people study English, it's either the standard midwestern accent of American English or the received pronunciation of British English. It is meaningful and in most cases valid to claim that either (or both) of those accents is correct. My original post accounted for the two dominant accents and agrees with them both. Yeah, we're marginalizing all the Jamaican TLers. Sorry.
I'm not familiar with "Bafth" ... afaik there are two acceptable ways to say bath: the American way and the British way. Is there some controversy there I'm not aware of? What's with the f?
"two acceptable ways" - dude we don't live in the 19th century anymore. Local accents are just as correct as RP or GA even the MLA says that. That doesn't mean every pronunciation is correct but as long as it is consistent with his own accent it is not inferior to any other accent like GA or RP ). I mean really who speaks (near) RP? not even 2% of the british population and a lot of them only on official occassions.
On September 19 2010 18:04 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Adrenal Pronounced: [uh-dreen-l] Commonly mispronounced: From: StarCraft, StarCraft 2 I don't remember how he said it, but I watched a shoutcast some years ago where Manifesto7 (I think) had a really bizarre pronunciation for this.
Was it uh-dren-al? like in the word adrenaline? who says adreenal?
Everyone who has any biology at all pronounces it "adreenal" with reference to the adrenal gland.
Adrenaline is a short 'e', adrenal gland is a long 'e'. The adrenal glands are also known as the supra-renal glands.
also a long 'e'.
adrenal actually comes from "ad" "renal" renal means "kidney" and the adrenals sit atop the kidneys.
with those loanwords (at least with the more scientific and uncommon ones) its always a matter of taste if you pronounce them like a english word or like greek/latin/whatever anyways (you should be consistent with it however).
"Hey Chex Mix, I read that someone questioned the validity of this thread. I for one think it is pretty interesting because I learned how to pronounce a new word, but this guy was a little bit blunt in his opinion.
However, since you are the one who made the thread, and thus is responsible for it, and because your mother always told you that two wrongs don't make a right, I would appreciate it if you kept your responses civil and level-headed. That way the thread won't get derailed and the tone of the thread won't dip from the 'interesting' category to the 'mildly hostile' category.
In my experience on this board that is usually the best possible reaction. It is also the most satisfying.
Let me know if you have any questions regarding this post, and keep up the good work!
I know this thread is about pronunciation... BUT, I've had to correct people about this for 12 years now and I'm ashamed that it needs to be brought up so regularly:
Barracks? It's plural. It's always plural. There is no "Barrack." Notice, when you build a Barracks, it is a Barracks where when you build a Factory it is not a Factories.
And thank you for your time.
PS: Love this thread. Have been listening to a lot of casts lately due to my lack of actual playtime lately and a lot of these have been irking me. Especially wreak/wreck.
On September 19 2010 19:33 aiyeeta wrote: I know this thread is about pronunciation... BUT, I've had to correct people about this for 12 years now and I'm ashamed that it needs to be brought up so regularly:
Barracks? It's plural. It's always plural. There is no "Barrack." Notice, when you build a Barracks, it is a Barracks where when you build a Factory it is not a Factories.
And thank you for your time.
PS: Love this thread. Have been listening to a lot of casts lately due to my lack of actual playtime lately and a lot of these have been irking me. Especially wreak/wreck.
I hear you on this one. That drives me nuts. I give this thread one more page before the great Nexus plural debate breaks out.
The zealot pronunciation is one that's always left me scratching my head...I mean, the base word, "zeal", is pronounced "zeel", so shouldn't the suffix leave it unchanged? Where the hell did "zehlot" come from?
On September 19 2010 19:33 aiyeeta wrote: I know this thread is about pronunciation... BUT, I've had to correct people about this for 12 years now and I'm ashamed that it needs to be brought up so regularly:
Barracks? It's plural. It's always plural. There is no "Barrack." Notice, when you build a Barracks, it is a Barracks where when you build a Factory it is not a Factories.
And thank you for your time.
PS: Love this thread. Have been listening to a lot of casts lately due to my lack of actual playtime lately and a lot of these have been irking me. Especially wreak/wreck.
Well, there is such a thing as a barrack (it means the same thing as barracks, though I can't say I've ever heard anyone actually say it), but the building is definitely called a barracks in StarCraft, so I agree with you people that say "barrack" in that context are super annoying!
On September 19 2010 17:45 ZlaSHeR wrote: I don't know who you're listening to if you think more people pronounce it ZEElot then zeh-lut. Also I don't think many people call is maelstorm, unless they just straight up can't read.
That's not that uncommon you know
it's not that they can't read it's just a property of human attentiveness. You see parts of the word without analyzing the whole thing in sequence and quickly put it together in a way that makes more sense (it's not like you jumbling it but swapping 2 letters isnt a very big leap) since you see storm alot more, and it is actually part of the SC vocab anyway. So it's quite understandable in that context.
i used to pronounce it zeelot all the time, a bunch people i know did/do
On September 19 2010 19:39 aev wrote: The zealot pronunciation is one that's always left me scratching my head...I mean, the base word, "zeal", is pronounced "zeel", so shouldn't the suffix leave it unchanged? Where the hell did "zehlot" come from?
my name is cale, you say it like pale but with a c
and yet the word calendar, not at all like that :O, welcome to english
but why it's like that actually? maybe it's like where it came from like zelotes "one who is a zealous follower,"
there word it came from was obviously just zel, but why zeal is zeel, duuuuuuno
On September 19 2010 19:39 aev wrote: The zealot pronunciation is one that's always left me scratching my head...I mean, the base word, "zeal", is pronounced "zeel", so shouldn't the suffix leave it unchanged? Where the hell did "zehlot" come from?
I'm not sure, but there seems to be a definite trend in English for vowels to change from long to short as you extend words by adding affixes or agglutinating them with other words. For example, centrifuge -> centrifugal has a long to short vowel shift, as well as a stress change. My personal thought is that this happens because short vowels can be said faster, making the word less unwieldy ... but I'm not a linguist.
On September 19 2010 19:39 aev wrote: The zealot pronunciation is one that's always left me scratching my head...I mean, the base word, "zeal", is pronounced "zeel", so shouldn't the suffix leave it unchanged? Where the hell did "zehlot" come from?
There are plenty of irregularities in the English language, and in many other languages I would assume. That's why Zeal is pronounced "zeel" and Zealot is pronounced "Zel-uht"
On September 19 2010 19:35 Manifesto7 wrote: I hear you on this one. That drives me nuts. I give this thread one more page before the great Nexus plural debate breaks out.
Medical Dictionary nex·us definition Pronunciation: /ˈnek-səs/ Function: n pl nex·us·es ; Pronunciation: /-sə-səz/ or nex·us ; Pronunciation: /-səs, -ˌs{uuml}s/ 1 : a connection or link 2 : a connected group or series
Though I have no problem with people calling it "Nexi"
On September 19 2010 19:50 Chex Mix wrote: For example, centrifuge -> centrifugal has a long to short vowel shift, as well as a stress change.
About this stress change - it is really important which part of the word you stress? I mean - English isnt like Chinese where the meaning of a word is dependant on it's pronounciation.
More on topic: I - as a foreigner - pronounce the words in a German way (if I dont know their pronouncitation), if the words are exactly the same like "Chitin". I think a lot of other people handle it the same way.
Also another word for your list: "melee" wrongly pronounced "melee" - correct would be "meleh". Is present in almost every computer game where something/someone has a melee attack.
I am proud to say that I don't mispronounce any of these words. However! I can't say I'm pronouncing them correctly. Different accents will have different ways of pronouncing words. While some of them are blatantly correctly, many can still be argued.
On September 19 2010 18:15 3clipse wrote: I find it annoying when people simply ignore the extra c in iccup and just call it eye-cup.
Well it's kind of the same thing with words that have more than one letter in them like "annoying" you don't see people saying it "ah-EN-noying" since that would be mispronouncing it. Since iccup isn't necessarily a word I believe people can pronounce it however they'd like.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
On September 19 2010 18:15 3clipse wrote: I find it annoying when people simply ignore the extra c in iccup and just call it eye-cup.
Well it's kind of the same thing with words that have more than one letter in them like "annoying" you don't see people saying it "ah-EN-noying" since that would be mispronouncing it. Since iccup isn't necessarily a word I believe people can pronounce it however they'd like.
its still annoying as hell when people pronounce it eye-cup instead of i-c-cup
On September 19 2010 18:15 3clipse wrote: I find it annoying when people simply ignore the extra c in iccup and just call it eye-cup.
Well it's kind of the same thing with words that have more than one letter in them like "annoying" you don't see people saying it "ah-EN-noying" since that would be mispronouncing it. Since iccup isn't necessarily a word I believe people can pronounce it however they'd like.
its still annoying as hell when people pronounce it eye-cup instead of i-c-cup
i think its annoying as hell whne people pronounce it i c cup >:0
I would hit someone if they said "omnishint". As far as I know, most people say "om-nih-see-int", and it's much sexier that way.
Edit: Apparently 'omnishint' is the American way, and 'omnihseeint' is the British way. Personally I think 'omnishint' sounds like shit, and it makes no sense given the pronunciation of 'science' (which probably has the same root?). Stupid Americans.
On September 19 2010 19:50 Chex Mix wrote: For example, centrifuge -> centrifugal has a long to short vowel shift, as well as a stress change.
About this stress change - it is really important which part of the word you stress? I mean - English isnt like Chinese where the meaning of a word is dependant on it's pronounciation.
More on topic: I - as a foreigner - pronounce the words in a German way (if I dont know their pronouncitation), if the words are exactly the same like "Chitin". I think a lot of other people handle it the same way.
Also another word for your list: "melee" wrongly pronounced "melee" - correct would be "meleh". Is present in almost every computer game where something/someone has a melee attack.
It is important which part of the word you stress if you want to be correct but let me put this all in context. I am an American and a native English speaker. America is a melting pot of cultures and religions and English is an international business language. I have met plenty of people from Germany who get their point across although they may be technically incorrect. Most native English speakers don't just a person for using the pronunciation incorrectly but it does identify someone as a non-native English speaker quickly.
Within America there are many accents. Generally the most "neutral" accent is called GA or General American. This is actually technically a dialect that is spoken in different accents. The dialect is spoken in the mid-western united states under several accents and in the north western united states as a single accent. If you want to see a good example of this GA speaking search on YouTube for "Walter Cronkite." He is responsible for the popularization of GA as the standard for nation wide broadcasting. The Seattle, Washington, USA area is still a place that people travel to in order to absorb the local dialect and accent by people who have a strong accent that might not be palatable for a nationwide broadcast. There are many accents that have negative connotations to them.
So lets back it up a bit. Melee is pronounced "mee-lee" because it comes from the French word that is pronounced "may-lay." If you say "may-lay" it is correct because you are using the French word in an English sentence, if you say "mee-lee" you are using the proper English version. The "mee-lee" version is preferred if you don't want to sound pretentious as is the connotation to using foreign words in an English sentence. Melee generally means a close combat weapons whereas melee actually only means combat where each combatant acts upon his own without any group tactics. You definitely can have a gun fight or arrow fight melee.
TL:DR - English is a living language and English speakers are used to their language being misused constantly. I am happy to accept that people don't speak correctly as long as I can travel to world and find that everyone everywhere speaks passable English.
On September 19 2010 21:24 Gerrit wrote: So lets back it up a bit. Melee is pronounced "mee-lee" because it comes from the French word that is pronounced "may-lay." If you say "may-lay" it is correct because you are using the French word in an English sentence, if you say "mee-lee" you are using the proper English version. The "mee-lee" version is preferred if you don't want to sound pretentious as is the connotation to using foreign words in an English sentence. Melee generally means a close combat weapons whereas melee actually only means combat where each combatant acts upon his own without any group tactics. You definitely can have a gun fight or arrow fight melee.
Just as a perspective on how it's said over the pond, nobody here says mee-lee unless they're 12 and only seen the word in games. We all pronuce it may-lay.
This changes depending on whether you speak English-English or American-English. Some of the things you have posted are just flat out wrong in English-English.
However I got a feeling that this thread was started as a troll, because im pretty sure everyone who has a decent level of knowledge about the world knows that there are different pronounciations depending on geographical location.
I would hit someone if they said "omnishint". As far as I know, most people say "om-nih-see-int", and it's much sexier that way.
Edit: Apparently 'omnishint' is the American way, and 'omnihseeint' is the British way. Personally I think 'omnishint' sounds like shit, and it makes no sense given the pronunciation of 'science' (which probably has the same root?). Stupid Americans.
Haha great reply. I approve of your feedback :D and yes you may be correct about the american/english thing. I'm used to Omnishint, but the problem is that most americans who hear the word don't understand it lol. Unless they are evangelical or something, i.e. used to the word hehe.
You mean phoenix? I've never heard anyone mispronounce it, though lots of people misspell it.
Yes, this is actually a good point. People also need to differentiate between a typo and a misspell. Misspell is actual, typos are just your fingers running wild.
On September 19 2010 21:24 Gerrit wrote: So lets back it up a bit. Melee is pronounced "mee-lee" because it comes from the French word that is pronounced "may-lay." If you say "may-lay" it is correct because you are using the French word in an English sentence, if you say "mee-lee" you are using the proper English version. The "mee-lee" version is preferred if you don't want to sound pretentious as is the connotation to using foreign words in an English sentence. Melee generally means a close combat weapons whereas melee actually only means combat where each combatant acts upon his own without any group tactics. You definitely can have a gun fight or arrow fight melee.
Just as a perspective on how it's said over the pond, nobody here says mee-lee unless they're 12 and only seen the word in games. We all pronuce it may-lay.
I think it was in Warcraft 3 when one of the human warriors (tutorial, I think) actually pronounced it as "Muh-lay". But then again, the whole warcraft universe is well known to have a ridiculously broad language, almost like pirates on weed. I remember the Cata trailer, "when thu wourrrrld is consumed by rooooyge!"
Chris Metzen in drugs FTW :D (no, not on drugs - in drugs, as in bathing in it.)
On September 19 2010 21:46 Fen wrote: This changes depending on whether you speak English-English or American-English. Some of the things you have posted are just flat out wrong in English-English.
However I got a feeling that this thread was started as a troll, because im pretty sure everyone who has a decent level of knowledge about the world knows that there are different pronounciations depending on geographical location.
None of the words listed so far have any great differences between British and American English. And there aren't even that many words (like laboratory or aluminium) between the two dialects that have pronunciation differences that amount to more than minor shifts in vowels and rhoticity -- which is not at all what this thread is about. Whatever examples you think are flat-out wrong are probably just words you don't know how to pronounce.
On September 19 2010 18:59 groms wrote: How about [Wreak]?
This one really annoys me because I hear it ALL THE TIME. People are like ZOMG he's going to WRECK(wreak) havoc in his base. Please add it to the OP if you have heard it like I'm sure so many others have.
I think it is understandable because of simple word confusion.
Wreck has similar usage to Wreak and they are both pronounced differently.
Carapace should be up there too.
It seems like some people pronounce it carapiss instead of carapeys.
On September 19 2010 21:46 Fen wrote: This changes depending on whether you speak English-English or American-English. Some of the things you have posted are just flat out wrong in English-English.
However I got a feeling that this thread was started as a troll, because im pretty sure everyone who has a decent level of knowledge about the world knows that there are different pronounciations depending on geographical location.
None of the words listed so far have any great differences between British and American English. And there aren't even that many words (like laboratory or aluminium) between the two dialects that have pronunciation differences that amount to more than minor shifts in vowels and rhoticity -- which is not at all what this thread is about. Whatever examples you think are flat-out wrong are probably just words you don't know how to pronounce.
Idk sir, but english-english and american-english commentators sound different for me.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
ASDFHATGWEUSFD
this post saved me. Here I was thinking that my pronunciation was all wrong and this guy basically saved me.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
Haha thanks. I was planning to make a post about it but you seem to have done it before me. I prononuce all the words (except for Zeh-lut) according to the way you describe them here. And I definitely pronounce Visage as "Viz-AH-dj," which I think is correct according to RP.
Speaking of which, does anyone know if there is an online dictionary that gives received pronunciation? I often look for one
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
ASDFHATGWEUSFD
this post saved me. Here I was thinking that my pronunciation was all wrong and this guy basically saved me.
Basically everything in that post was either blatantly incorrect, grossly misguided, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or, more often than not, all three. The only reason I am not responding to his post is because Mani told me to play nice, and I'd just go off on him if I did.
Anyway, if having an idiot tell you you don't need to learn proper English has saved you, then so be it. If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and just learn the correct way to pronounce things.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
Haha thanks. I was planning to make a post about it but you seem to have done it before me. I prononuce all the words (except for Zeh-lut) according to the way you describe them here. And I definitely pronounce Visage as "Viz-AH-dj," which I think is correct according to RP.
Speaking of which, does anyone know if there is an online dictionary that gives received pronunciation? I often look for one
Then you are pronouncing all of those words incorrectly, and if you agree with the post you quoted you have a thing or two still to learn about the English language, among other things.
Dictionary.com gives separate pronunciations for British English where they differ from American English. If you think a word is pronounced in a way such that British English and American English differ by something other than minor vowel shifts and rhoticity, and there is no British pronunciation listed, your preferred pronunciation is probably neither the main American nor the main British pronunciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
ASDFHATGWEUSFD
this post saved me. Here I was thinking that my pronunciation was all wrong and this guy basically saved me.
Basically everything in that post was either blatantly incorrect, grossly misguided, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or, more often than not, all three. The only reason I am not responding to his post is because Mani told me to play nice, and I'd just go off on him if I did.
Anyway, if having an idiot tell you you don't need to learn proper English has saved you, then so be it. If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and just learn the correct way to pronounce things.
Or you could exercise some self-control and respond to his post WITHOUT going off at him. Until then your credibility is on the line.
If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and show us why you are right. Otherwise you too could just be spouting misinformation.
Of course nobody is going to say nexUs, but only second declension nouns pluralize to (long) I. So it's much more accurate to pluralize it normally nexus-es than force a fake latin puralization, nexi.
wow i never knew i pronounced so many words wrong my english is not my native laungage but Jees i should of known better thanks op and btw is there anyway we can get someone to make a short sound clip of how to pronouce them im pretty bad when it comes to [ree-ey-juhnt] things like that i say reaghent
Thanks for this! You cover a lot of common, bothersome mispronunciations. I wasn't aware Tyler could ever be pronounced that way, though. I hope you can back up the veracity of your claim.
Also, I don't see how claiming that many native English speakers are practically illiterate is relevant to rampant mispronunciation. Literacy has nothing to do with speech; it is the faculty to communicate via the written word, not the spoken.
On September 20 2010 00:54 illu wrote: This is not a mistake, but I remember about 5 years ago a friend of a friend of mine kept telling me it's D-O-T-A, not dohta.
On September 19 2010 21:24 Gerrit wrote: So lets back it up a bit. Melee is pronounced "mee-lee" because it comes from the French word that is pronounced "may-lay." If you say "may-lay" it is correct because you are using the French word in an English sentence, if you say "mee-lee" you are using the proper English version. The "mee-lee" version is preferred if you don't want to sound pretentious as is the connotation to using foreign words in an English sentence. Melee generally means a close combat weapons whereas melee actually only means combat where each combatant acts upon his own without any group tactics. You definitely can have a gun fight or arrow fight melee.
Just as a perspective on how it's said over the pond, nobody here says mee-lee unless they're 12 and only seen the word in games. We all pronuce it may-lay.
Errr no we don't, not in the south anyway, It's meh-li
Prelude Pronounced: [PREL-yood] Commonly mispronounced: [PRAY-lood] From: For lack of a better example, Ocarina of Time
I approve of this topic. Coincidentally, I've been reading a certain book lately + Show Spoiler +
and it's really enlightened me on how little I actually know English. I'd give it a read if you find it. (I don't mean to advertise, but it is relevant to the topic.)
On September 20 2010 01:03 Aeres wrote: Prelude Pronounced: [PREL-yood] Commonly mispronounced: [PRAY-lood] From: For lack of a better example, Ocarina of Time
I approve of this topic. Coincidentally, I've been reading a certain book lately + Show Spoiler +
and it's really enlightened me on how little I actually know English. I'd give it a read if you find it. (I don't mean to advertise, but it is relevant to the topic.)
On September 20 2010 01:03 Aeres wrote: Prelude Pronounced: [PREL-yood] Commonly mispronounced: [PRAY-lood] From: For lack of a better example, Ocarina of Time
I approve of this topic. Coincidentally, I've been reading a certain book lately + Show Spoiler +
and it's really enlightened me on how little I actually know English. I'd give it a read if you find it. (I don't mean to advertise, but it is relevant to the topic.)
Keep in mind that while [PRAY-lood] is given as an alternative pronunciation in many dictionaries, [PREL-yood] is still the recommended choice. I tend to stay away from derivative forms of words, unless common usage has played an especially dramatic role in changing the word (for example, advertisement). That's mostly just my preference, but from what I've noticed, many people are unaware of [PREL-yood], so I felt I should throw it out there.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
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this post saved me. Here I was thinking that my pronunciation was all wrong and this guy basically saved me.
Basically everything in that post was either blatantly incorrect, grossly misguided, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or, more often than not, all three. The only reason I am not responding to his post is because Mani told me to play nice, and I'd just go off on him if I did.
Anyway, if having an idiot tell you you don't need to learn proper English has saved you, then so be it. If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and just learn the correct way to pronounce things.
Or you could exercise some self-control and respond to his post WITHOUT going off at him. Until then your credibility is on the line.
If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and show us why you are right. Otherwise you too could just be spouting misinformation.
Good post. Chex Mix you need to explain yourself like Zoroth. As far as I can tell you expect people to take your information as the set-in-stone standard. Zoroth gave some reason as too why you're wrong and you need to either: shut up, or explain your argument. You're just a glorified troll right now.
English actually does follow a pretty strict set of phonetic rules, strictly speaking. The only reason there are "accepted alternate pronunciations" is because so many people mispronounce them that it's actually easier just to change the rules. Of course, that means that there are all kinds of crazy exceptions now because everyone just pronounces everything however they want.
Of course, names and things are kind of subjective (Nony, Tyler, etc.) but things that are actual words (like "zealot") should really follow the rules of pronunciation.
Good thread, though I think it has a more "You're dumb" vibe as opposed to a "Do better" feel.
I always try and pronounce things correctly. My mom always had a massive vocabulary that I envied and messing up a word in front of her always led to embarrassment.
I'm a little surprised by aegis. The etymology, if you will of "ae" is confusing. Blame the vikings.
Melee Pronounced: [mey-ley] Commonly mispronounced: [muh-lee], [mee-lee] From: Lots of games Contributed by SUSUGAM.
I've heard British and Aussie players say "centrifyoogal" and "muh-LEE", it's just a dialect issue and not wrong as long as you're not transposing dialects.
On September 20 2010 01:50 keV. wrote: Good thread, though I think it has a more "You're dumb" vibe as opposed to a "Do better" feel.
I always try and pronounce things correctly. My mom always had a massive vocabulary that I envied and messing up a word in front of her always led to embarrassment.
I'm a little surprised by aegis. The etymology, if you will of "ae" is confusing. Blame the vikings.
The word stems from Greek, the vikings aren't to blame for that one...
A number of "proper pronounciations" in the OP are wrong.
And i'm not referring to the nony/tyler inside jokes. For example, If you want maelstrom pronounced as maelstrum, put the accent over the o. Maelstrom without the accent is pronounced mayl-strohm..
A few of the others ones are off as well, and some come down to dialect.
sen-tri-fyoo-guhl is OK according to dictionary.com
No it's not. [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] ≠ [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], as would be plain to any idiot but you, as they ... (wait for it) ... aren't the same.
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
You are aware that people from England, you know where English was created pronounce sen-tri-fyoo-guhl the right way.
I am aware that most people on either side of the Atlantic pronounce centrifugal incorrectly, including you.
Pronunciations vary from region to region. CentriFUgal is how everyone pronounces it around my region. It may be different where you live, but again don't tell people what is the proper way to pronounce things.
=p Language is language although one can argue that the mispronunciation of these words leads to a degradation of a language, i rather say that it leads to the evolution. Words change over time in meaning and pronunciation as long as people understand what you mean in the end i say it counts.
There are also accents to take into account, given the differences between American and Queens English alone there are quite a few differences. If you throw in the diverse background of everyone in this thread in the end as along as we can all communicate our points nothing is lost, but only everything is gained.
I'm going to leave these two links here, as I had problems with what you were saying in both cases. Please note that I really am trying to be polite, and I do not wish to attack you in any manner, shape or form. It is possible that I am wrong, but I thought I'd at least check out some other online dictionaries to see what they thought.
Imo, nitpicking over pronounciation is a waste of time. Anyways often, the "proper" pronounciation of words sounds far less bad-ass or epic. Think of "ZEAL-lots" and "ZEL-ots" or "cen-TRIF-uga"l vs "cen-tri-FUGAL".
Imo, nitpicking over pronounciation is a waste of time. Anyways often, the "proper" pronounciation of words sounds far less bad-ass or epic. Think of "ZEAL-lots" and "ZEL-ots" or "cen-TRIF-uga"l vs "cen-tri-FUGAL".
Both pronunciations of centrifugal and correct and I seriously challenge you to make a decent case that ZEELots instead of ZELots sounds more "bad-ass" or "epic". http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=centrifugal&submit=Submit I say ZEELots because I pronounced it wrong to begin with and it has stuck with me. I see no problem in mispronouncing a word so long as you know what the correct pronunciation is, which is what this thread is about. So for example though I still say "ZEELots" I will be the first to tell you that it is "ZELots".
The website I linked is pretty awesome for what we are looking at here.
I also think it should be a bannable offense to come into a thread to say the thread is a waste of time. If you think it's a waste of time then stay the fuck out. Seriously it's so annoying and it happens so often and it doesn't even make sense!
NOBODY IS SAYING IT'S THAT IMPORTANT! JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT THE CORRECT WAY TO DO/SAY SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NITPICKING. IF YOU HARASS PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE ABOUT IT THEN THAT IS NITPICKING. CREATING A THREAD TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE IS NOT NIT PICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
Mind blown twice.
Do not quote an entire post and write a three line post. Even if you spoiler the quote it's pretty much a worthless post but to not even bother to spoiler is atrocious. I'm going to deliberately not spoiler the quote so when you scroll a billion miles down to read my post following the billion miles of scrolling past your own you hopefully realise the gravity of the crime you have committed.
On September 19 2010 20:43 Zoroth wrote: Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
This however is an absolutely golden point. At best we are contending the current pronunciations and very possibly we are arguing the old pronunciation versus what will in 10,20,50,100 years be the "correct" pronunciation.
WE MAY WELL BE HOLDING BACK THE PROGRESSION OF MANKIND HOLY SHIT.
One thing that also bugs me is when people shorten barracks to 'rax' and then plural it by saying 'raxes'. Barracks is already plural so to say 'raxes' is like saying barrackses. Also, barracks is a noun as used in Starcraft and barrack is a verb.
Actually, Blizzard themselves pronounce it as zeh-lutt. One example is in their map, "12 Days of Starcraft." "Six zealots fighting" <- a line in the song.
On September 19 2010 23:57 Mawi wrote: wow i never knew i pronounced so many words wrong my english is not my native laungage but Jees i should of known better thanks op and btw is there anyway we can get someone to make a short sound clip of how to pronouce them im pretty bad when it comes to [ree-ey-juhnt] things like that i say reaghent
The links to dictionary.com are given precisely because they have sound clips of someone pronouncing the words.
On September 20 2010 00:01 Raidern wrote: wtf so TYLER = 'TEE-LER'?! like steven tyler -> steven 'tee'-ler? seriously? :S
and lol i've always mispronounced melee and didn't know about that! =] ty, same with zealots
edit- thefreedictionary.com and google says 'tie-ler'
Tyler is pronounced [tahy-lur] (first syllable like the word tie [tahy], second syllable like the work lurk [lurk], but without a k.) It's a joke. Because of Liquid`Nony aka Liquid`Tyler. If you don't get it just skip it.
On September 20 2010 00:31 WARHertz wrote: The Nony ones were totally failed, noo is same as noh, you wanna use new, and people pronounce it tie-ler not tayler
Its ih-dra like idiot
Noo is not the same as noh, as you can quite plainly see. One of them is noo. The other is noh. Anyway, if you go look up the word "new" on dictionary.com you will see the pronunciation guide says [noo]. I suppose I could give the IPA pronunciation guide but no one knows how to read those. I suppose I also could just make up what I think the most sensible pronunciation guide is for each word, but the dictionary.com method seems both sensible and consistent to me. If you don't know how "oo" should be pronounced, well, now you do. Congratulations, you just learned something.
Tyler is pronounced [tahy-lur] (first syllable like the word tie [tahy], second syllable like the work lurk [lurk], but without a k.) It's a joke. Because of Liquid`Nony aka Liquid`Tyler. If you don't get it just skip it.
On September 20 2010 00:52 EchOne wrote: Thanks for this! You cover a lot of common, bothersome mispronunciations. I wasn't aware Tyler could ever be pronounced that way, though. I hope you can back up the veracity of your claim.
Also, I don't see how claiming that many native English speakers are practically illiterate is relevant to rampant mispronunciation. Literacy has nothing to do with speech; it is the faculty to communicate via the written word, not the spoken.
Tyler is pronounced [tahy-lur] (first syllable like the word tie [tahy], second syllable like the work lurk [lurk], but without a k.) It's a joke. Because of Liquid`Nony aka Liquid`Tyler. If you don't get it just skip it.
"Illiterate" doesn't just mean "lacks the specific ability to read written text." I used it correctly. You are making incorrect simplifying assumptions. Also, clearly people that read a lot tend to have a better command of language than those that don't.
Stressing the wrong syllable of centrifugal is exceptionally common on both sides of the Atlantic. Just because a comedian makes funny jokes about something doesn't make it true. There is actually a correct way to say the word, his "British" pronunciation is not one of them.
On September 20 2010 01:03 Aeres wrote: Prelude Pronounced: [PREL-yood] Commonly mispronounced: [PRAY-lood] From: For lack of a better example, Ocarina of Time
I approve of this topic. Coincidentally, I've been reading a certain book lately + Show Spoiler +
and it's really enlightened me on how little I actually know English. I'd give it a read if you find it. (I don't mean to advertise, but it is relevant to the topic.)
Both [prel-yood] and [prey-lood] are acceptable pronunciations of prelude. The one that you prefer is actually less common in the United States, and sounds a bit like the person is putting on airs.
On September 20 2010 01:59 Metalwing wrote: if Nony is not [noh-nee] and Tyler is not [Tahy-lur], fuck their correct pronounciations.
Attention, those two (and only those two) were jokes. Everyone knows how to pronounce Tyler. Nony isn't a word, pronounce it however Nony himself pronounces it.
Melee Pronounced: [mey-ley] Commonly mispronounced: [muh-lee], [mee-lee] From: Lots of games Contributed by SUSUGAM.
I've heard British and Aussie players say "centrifyoogal" and "muh-LEE", it's just a dialect issue and not wrong as long as you're not transposing dialects.
Americans mispronounce both those words in precisely those ways as well. It's not dialect. It's mispronunciation.
On September 20 2010 01:50 keV. wrote: Good thread, though I think it has a more "You're dumb" vibe as opposed to a "Do better" feel.
I always try and pronounce things correctly. My mom always had a massive vocabulary that I envied and messing up a word in front of her always led to embarrassment.
I'm a little surprised by aegis. The etymology, if you will of "ae" is confusing. Blame the vikings.
The word stems from Greek, the vikings aren't to blame for that one...
Yes it does. The vikings are to blame because they pronounce/use it completely different...
On September 20 2010 02:47 SiguR wrote: A number of "proper pronounciations" in the OP are wrong.
And i'm not referring to the nony/tyler inside jokes. For example, If you want maelstrom pronounced as maelstrum, put the accent over the o. Maelstrom without the accent is pronounced mayl-strohm..
A few of the others ones are off as well, and some come down to dialect.
This may come as a surprise to you, but maelstrom is an English word, and has a correct English pronunciation. The pronunciation I gave is the correct one. If maelstrom is also a word in another language, and it has a different pronunciation in that language, that's fascinating but irrelevant.
The examples I've given so far do not boil down to differences in dialect. People that speak all dominant English dialects mispronounce them.
sen-tri-fyoo-guhl is OK according to dictionary.com
No it's not. [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] ≠ [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], as would be plain to any idiot but you, as they ... (wait for it) ... aren't the same.
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
You are aware that people from England, you know where English was created pronounce sen-tri-fyoo-guhl the right way.
I am aware that most people on either side of the Atlantic pronounce centrifugal incorrectly, including you.
Pronunciations vary from region to region. CentriFUgal is how everyone pronounces it around my region. It may be different where you live, but again don't tell people what is the proper way to pronounce things.
I am aware of the concept of regional accents. It's also exceptionally common for everyone that speaks with a particular accent to mispronounce a particular word. (It could even be argued that that particular word is correctly pronounced differently in that regional accent.) However, there do exist a few dominant accents (namely the neutral midwestern American accent and the received pronunciation British accent) that are generally accepted as being "correct" in a more substantial sense. Namely, they are the best accents to use for intelligible communication, they are taught in school, taught to foreigners, used by most people in the media, used by most actors not speaking in dialect, etc.
You, like most people, are looking for reasons not to learn. Maybe some day you'll take the blinders off. When you are ready, this thread will still be here.
On September 20 2010 03:08 Slivered Skin wrote: I'm going to leave these two links here, as I had problems with what you were saying in both cases. Please note that I really am trying to be polite, and I do not wish to attack you in any manner, shape or form. It is possible that I am wrong, but I thought I'd at least check out some other online dictionaries to see what they thought.
The pronunciations of aegis are so close they probably sound identical to most people. Neither of them is closer to [ey-jis] than they are to [ee-jis], and the main source of error in that word is people using a hard g instead of a soft g.
As for centrifugal, I will admit it appears some dictionaries have given in and added an exceptionally common mispronunciation to their lists. If you want to go on saying it that way, just be aware that educated people on both sides of the Atlantic may assume your language skills aren't up to snuff.
More than a good thread (as many have mentioned).. I only see Internet elitism in its full glory.
Nevermind the first post which (hopefully) was made with good intentions, the continuous bashing on anyone that disagreed, calling them idiots, uneducated or some such goes a long way to show what went on in the OP's mind when he replied to the thread.
Sc2 commentators are mis-pronouncing Sc2 Terms. In an attempt to rectify the crisis, Chex Mix has suggested that we all record their mistakes and return to this thread where we can correct them by substituting them into a dictionary-like format.
Our next hot topic coming up:
How to waste your time: We interview Chex Mix to find out more.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
ASDFHATGWEUSFD
this post saved me. Here I was thinking that my pronunciation was all wrong and this guy basically saved me.
Basically everything in that post was either blatantly incorrect, grossly misguided, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or, more often than not, all three. The only reason I am not responding to his post is because Mani told me to play nice, and I'd just go off on him if I did.
Anyway, if having an idiot tell you you don't need to learn proper English has saved you, then so be it. If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and just learn the correct way to pronounce things.
Or you could exercise some self-control and respond to his post WITHOUT going off at him. Until then your credibility is on the line.
If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and show us why you are right. Otherwise you too could just be spouting misinformation.
Good post. Chex Mix you need to explain yourself like Zoroth. As far as I can tell you expect people to take your information as the set-in-stone standard. Zoroth gave some reason as too why you're wrong and you need to either: shut up, or explain your argument. You're just a glorified troll right now.
It’s always exceptionally painful to dismantle poorly constructed and illogical arguments, for a number of reasons. One of them is that you know whoever you are correcting will ignore you and continue to believe whatever they want to believe, because they aren’t capable of rational thought. It’s like trying to argue the evidence for evolution with a religious fundamentalist.
Another reason is the nagging feeling that anyone else who can’t instantly see the really obvious holes in someone else’s argument just isn’t worth the time to enlighten. Their problem isn’t that they might be misinformed about a few things and just need to learn. Their problem is that they refuse to think critically, have lived their entire lives just believing the first thing they are told about anything, and have virtually zero capacity for true learning. Again I find myself wondering, why bother?
MadVillain, you say I need to “explain myself like Zoroth,” when in fact everything I’ve said I’ve backed up with legitimate reasoning and links to a reputable source supporting my claims. As opposed Zoroth who just says blatantly incorrect things without citation, but apparently people think he’s credible because he says “WRONG!” with an exclamation point.
For example, he talks about the “Latin pronunciation” of “aegis.” Aegis is not a Latin word. You will find it in no Latin dictionaries. Our English word aegis certainly has its roots in a Latin word (though it comes to us most recently from Greek, not Latin.) Our English word also has an accepted English pronunciation, and even if “aegis” were a Latin word (and I remind you that it’s not), the Latin pronunciation would hardly be relevant.
He then goes on to make the laughable claim that “maelstorm” is a word “likely invented by Blizzard.” (This is hilarious because that means he has been misreading maelstrom in every Blizzard game in which he’s seen it. It’s possible Blizzard has typoed maelstrom somewhere, but I can’t remember them doing so.) Anyway, do you really need me to tell you “maelstorm” is in no Earthly dictionary? “Maelstorm” is a common misspelling/mispronunciation because most people don’t read words letter by letter, and “strom” is much less common in English than “storm,” so a lot of people mistakenly see “storm” at the end of “maelstrom.” The fact that you can call a storm a maelstrom certainly doesn’t help!
And Zoroth’s “draconic” and “absolute correct” pronunciation for maelstrom? The only place it’s correct is in his head. He makes a lot of irrelevant digressions into how [meyl] is an anglicized corruption of æ and in whatever (presumably Nordic) language (that he never specifies) æ is pronounced differently … blah blah blah. Maelstrom is an English word with an accepted English pronunciation, correctly given by me in the original post, with a link to a reputable dictionary supporting my claim.
He then continues with a puzzling discussion of zeal and zealot. He appears to be arguing (“reminding me”) that zealot could be pronounced [zeel-awt] because of the way zeal is pronounced? It’s hard to pin down exactly what he’s trying to say there because his argumentation is so incoherent. I’m pretty sure he’s saying [zeel-awt] is ok, but [zel-uht] is ok, too. Well, he’s right about [zel-uht] being ok. It’s more than ok, it’s the only correct pronunciation. Whatever else he’s trying to say in that paragraph is wrong.
As for his final paragraph, I don’t even know what “internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism” is supposed to mean. They are certainly easy enough to verify, and in almost every case all the reputable internet dictionaries (as well as all the dictionaries you might find at the library) are in complete agreement with my claims. Some people have pointed out that there appears to be some wiggle room with respect to the pronunciation of centrifugal, so perhaps I’m being a bit nitpicky about that word in particular. (Though in my experience educated people on both sides of the Atlantic stress the second syllable, not the third.) Other than that minor quibble (which Zoroth never even talked about), there is no doubt that I’m right.
So if you really think I’m a “glorified troll” and “as far as [you] can tell” Zoroth might be right, all I can really say is that I pity you. Perhaps I’ll get warned again by the TL.net Bot for my “smarter than thou” attitude, but I am speaking plainly and truthfully. I pity you, and anyone else that has so little capacity for critical thought that Zoroth’s incoherent ramblings even begin to resemble reason.
Hey hey hey. Words are abstract concepts, and have vastly changed over the ages. If you go back and read a primary source of english of the old ages, say Chaucer, it is practically a different language. I know its easy to feel superior over the internet, but as long as the speech communicates the intended meaning, it does not matter how it is said.
Whilom, as olde stories tellen us, Ther was a duc that highte Theseus; Of Atthenes he was lord and governour, And in his tyme swich a conquerour, that gretter was ther noon under the sonne. Ful many a riche contree hadde he wonne, What with his wysdom and his chivalrie; He conquered al the regne of Femenye, That whilom was ycleped Scithia, And weddede the queene Ypolita, And broghte hir hoom with hym in his contree, With muchel glorie and greet solempnytee, And eek hir yonge suster Emelye. And thus with victorie and with melodye Lete I this noble duc to Atthenes ryde, And al his hoost, in armes hym bisyde.
On September 20 2010 09:17 ffreakk wrote: More than a good thread (as many have mentioned).. I only see Internet elitism in its full glory.
Nevermind the first post which (hopefully) was made with good intentions, the continuous bashing on anyone that disagreed, calling them idiots, uneducated or some such goes a long way to show what went on in the OP's mind when he replied to the thread.
"fuck you fucking idiots who dares to disagree with me are all fken tards.. im always fken right.."
is my guess..
Idiocy infuriates me, there is no doubt. I made a real effort to make a well organized and informative post, which many people responded to with baseless and incorrect arguments. Did you notice what happened when someone bothered to make a claim and cite a reputable source as a reference? I accepted their argument as correct and modified the original post to reflect my new understanding.
People who say "zel-lawt" annoy me even more than "zee-lawt", (because the first syllable error focuses my attention away from messing up the second syllable which is what sounds really horrible to me).
This thread kinda bugs me, I mean everyone I know pronounces it zeelot. Even people who don't know what starcraft is, I mean I like the real pronunciation better but still.
That may be, but no one has any obligation to believe you unless you provide some sort of evidence. You may have a good grasp on the English language (easy to see from the way you write), but you have no idea what you are doing when it comes to discussing things on a forum. "I'm right" doesn't cut it here or anywhere.
Though it's ironic that you are going round calling people stupid (or implying) when you are committing an extremely obvious logical fallacy which anyone with no brain could recognise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_assertion_fallacy
I am pretty sure that you are the very definition of an asshat.
On September 20 2010 09:43 ZapRoffo wrote: People who say "zel-lawt" annoy me even more than "zee-lawt", (because the first syllable error focuses my attention away from messing up the second syllable which is what sounds really horrible to me).
I was just about to say this. I haven't run across many people who say zeelawt, but I've heard a lot (I'm looking at you HDstarcraft and Artosis) who say zelawt, which is also incorrect. Correctly pronounced, zealot should have a schwa on the last syllable. Zelawt comes from people reading the word before they hear it pronounced and phonetically putting a short o sound where it shouldn't be. It's a schwa people.
In conclusion: this /'zɛlət/ is correct, not this /'zɛlɑt/ or this (if you're a commonwealth speaker) /'zɛlɒt/, and certainly not this /'zilɑt/ or (commonwealth) this /'zilɒt/.
On September 19 2010 22:42 Chex Mix wrote: It’s always exceptionally painful to dismantle poorly constructed and illogical arguments, for a number of reasons. One of them is that you know whoever you are correcting will ignore you and continue to believe whatever they want to believe, because they aren’t capable of rational thought. It’s like trying to argue the evidence for evolution with a religious fundamentalist.
Another reason is the nagging feeling that anyone else who can’t instantly see the really obvious holes in someone else’s argument just isn’t worth the time to enlighten. Their problem isn’t that they might be misinformed about a few things and just need to learn. Their problem is that they refuse to think critically, have lived their entire lives just believing the first thing they are told about anything, and have virtually zero capacity for true learning. Again I find myself wondering, why bother?
MadVillain, you say I need to “explain myself like Zoroth,” when in fact everything I’ve said I’ve backed up with legitimate reasoning and links to a reputable source supporting my claims. As opposed Zoroth who just says blatantly incorrect things without citation, but apparently people think he’s credible because he says “WRONG!” with an exclamation point.
User was temp banned for this post.
After reading this, I have troubles believing this post isn't a troll. It's so ironic.
Still, on most of these latin words, I wish they were made into english and behaved as english words instead of carrying around their own set of rules.
What I like about this thread is that instead of the usual correction of each others spelling, grammar, sentence structure, word choice, this thread seems to have brought the majority of people together in asserting that these things aren't so important, that correcting each other is unnecessary and rude and the simple truth that language is an aid to communication.
Thanks OP, I've never seen so many people come together and voice tolerance for each others minor faults.
Hey Reason, you're not the internet police. Give it a break.
Imo, nitpicking over pronounciation is a waste of time. Anyways often, the "proper" pronounciation of words sounds far less bad-ass or epic. Think of "ZEAL-lots" and "ZEL-ots" or "cen-TRIF-uga"l vs "cen-tri-FUGAL".
Both pronunciations of centrifugal and correct and I seriously challenge you to make a decent case that ZEELots instead of ZELots sounds more "bad-ass" or "epic". http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=centrifugal&submit=Submit I say ZEELots because I pronounced it wrong to begin with and it has stuck with me. I see no problem in mispronouncing a word so long as you know what the correct pronunciation is, which is what this thread is about. So for example though I still say "ZEELots" I will be the first to tell you that it is "ZELots".
The website I linked is pretty awesome for what we are looking at here.
I also think it should be a bannable offense to come into a thread to say the thread is a waste of time. If you think it's a waste of time then stay the fuck out. Seriously it's so annoying and it happens so often and it doesn't even make sense!
NOBODY IS SAYING IT'S THAT IMPORTANT! JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT THE CORRECT WAY TO DO/SAY SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NITPICKING. IF YOU HARASS PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE ABOUT IT THEN THAT IS NITPICKING. CREATING A THREAD TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE IS NOT NIT PICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
Mind blown twice.
Do not quote an entire post and write a three line post. Even if you spoiler the quote it's pretty much a worthless post but to not even bother to spoiler is atrocious. I'm going to deliberately not spoiler the quote so when you scroll a billion miles down to read my post following the billion miles of scrolling past your own you hopefully realise the gravity of the crime you have committed.
On September 19 2010 20:43 Zoroth wrote: Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
This however is an absolutely golden point. At best we are contending the current pronunciations and very possibly we are arguing the old pronunciation versus what will in 10,20,50,100 years be the "correct" pronunciation.
WE MAY WELL BE HOLDING BACK THE PROGRESSION OF MANKIND HOLY SHIT.
Mjolnir/Mjollnir Pronounced: [myol-neer] Commonly mispronounced: [muh-joll-neer] From: DotA [i]God kills a kitten every time this word is mispronounced.
On September 20 2010 09:43 ZapRoffo wrote: People who say "zel-lawt" annoy me even more than "zee-lawt", (because the first syllable error focuses my attention away from messing up the second syllable which is what sounds really horrible to me).
I was just about to say this. I haven't run across many people who say zeelawt, but I've heard a lot (I'm looking at you HDstarcraft and Artosis) who say zelawt, which is also incorrect. Correctly pronounced, zealot should have a schwa on the last syllable. Zelawt comes from people reading the word before they hear it pronounced and phonetically putting a short o sound where it shouldn't be. It's a schwa people.
In conclusion: this /'zɛlət/ is correct, not this /'zɛlɑt/ or this (if you're a commonwealth speaker) /'zɛlɒt/, and certainly not this /'zilɑt/ or (commonwealth) this /'zilɒt/.
I'm pretty sure anyone who says zelawt doesn't know what a schwa is, or how to read /'zɛlət/, heh.
Anyway, most mispronunciations don't bug me, but for some reason hearing zealot wrong really irks me.
On September 20 2010 23:11 theSAiNT wrote: Thanks to the OP. Nice post.
I can't believe I've been saying 'aegis' wrong all these years! It's going to be hard to change though... nobody I know says it right.
I know ey, it's like you go to a lan internet cafe and then you say 'ee-jis' and all your friends (for me that would be the entire internet cafe including the cashier dude) become silent and stare at you.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal American pronunciation: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] British pronunciation: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] From: StarCraft 2 Not so much a mistake as originally thought, though if you are American and say it the chiefly British way, educated Americans might look at you funny.
On September 19 2010 17:45 ZlaSHeR wrote: I don't know who you're listening to if you think more people pronounce it ZEElot then zeh-lut. Also I don't think many people call is maelstorm, unless they just straight up can't read.
i've heard both of these, literally a million times since my time on TL began
surprised no one has yelled "language evolves, man". posts like these are great for those who respect the english language and what is proper too it. thanks
It’s always exceptionally painful to dismantle poorly constructed and illogical arguments,
I cant agree with you more on this. But i will take the time to dismantle your arguments in an attempt to make you believe that it is no less poorly contructed or illogical than the other posts around. (i sure hope you took the time to read through that Wiki article on Bare Assertion Fallacy that someone linked in an earlier post.
One of them is that you know whoever you are correcting will ignore you and continue to believe whatever they want to believe, because they aren’t capable of rational thought. It’s like trying to argue the evidence for evolution with a religious fundamentalist.
1/ Baseless assumption that other people are not capable of rational thoughts. Reason? None given.
Another reason is the nagging feeling that anyone else who can’t instantly see the really obvious holes in someone else’s argument just isn’t worth the time to enlighten. Their problem isn’t that they might be misinformed about a few things and just need to learn. Their problem is that they refuse to think critically, have lived their entire lives just believing the first thing they are told about anything, and have virtually zero capacity for true learning. Again I find myself wondering, why bother?
2/ Obvious holes? I dont think its obvious, many others dont seem to, either. In fact, as long as it is a matter that is being debated/discussed, it is most often not obvious (or else there would be no use debating/discussing at all). Slapping in the word "obvious" without backing up with reasons only make your argument look more superficial and ridiculous. Following up with a bunch of patronizing comments (on whoever that fails to say "omg, you are totally right!") only make it look even more childish.
Even when replying to level-headed non-offensive posts like that of MadVillain, you never fail to add in stuffs like "zero capacity for true learning", "not worth the time to enlighten", or similar patronizing comments. (btw, to want to "enlighten" people already say a lot about how you think of yourself and others).
Again, i feel that these posts are simply self-supremacy and baseless insults wrapped in flowery language, likely coming from one who desperately needs to feel superior to others.
On September 20 2010 16:25 youngminii wrote: Mjolnir/Mjollnir Pronounced: [myol-neer] Commonly mispronounced: [muh-joll-neer] From: DotA [i]God kills a kitten every time this word is mispronounced.
People being Badmannered annoys me alot more than people mispronouncing melee, and I think ChenMix has something more important he himself must learn from this thread, than pronounciation. It is nice to be important, but it is more important to be nice. : D
I love watching HDStarcraft, but I the constant mispronunciations can start to wear on my mood after a while, and I swear I am not a grammar nazi. Many of his mispronunciations include: ZEE-lot AR-bite-err Ir-RAD-dee-ate Ban-CHEESE To Wreck Havoc
Martyrdom Pronounced: [mahr-ter-duhm] Commonly mispronounced: [mahr-tee-dom] From: Call of Duty Simply put, it makes you sound like an idiot. Do kids even read the word and see the r?
There's no way anyone mispronounces steppe as steep...
I've heard lots of people say "steeps" instead of "steppes".
Anyway, what is up with the OP's phonetic spelling? "Chitin" is pronounced "Kahy-tin"?
"Tyler" is pronounced "Tahy-ler"? Those are diphthongs, you don't separate them into individual vowel sounds. Chitin is "kie-tin" and Tyler is "tie-ler".
Kahy-tin looks like you're trying to pronounce the silent H.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Wreak Pronounced: [reek] Commonly mispronounced: [rek] From: Every game in which havoc is wreaked Contributed by groms.
That's most likely because people confuse wreak with wreck. I've just checked the polish/english online dictionary and it was mispronounced there too.
On September 22 2010 22:26 Carefoot wrote: Is it really a mistake if you consiously identify exactly what the player means?
If I say "he is gonna attack with a hundred drones" but i really meant lings, and since i was casting a game it's obvious to everyone watching that I made a mistake, you are suggesting that i did not make a mistake.
Just because people are smart enough to compensate for your wrongness this time doesn't mean that 1) they will ALWAYS be able to compensate for the wrongness and 2) that somehow the mistake somehow no longer exists because people see that there is a mistake.
If you don't think correctly speaking matters, try speaking Japanese to someone instead of English/korean. Then you will realize that you are preaching a fundamental that is flawed and you are really just nitpicking when to apply this "practical application" rule of mistakes.
I have seen so many times in my life when people cripple words and when you, even politely, give a fast explanation they say - fuck it - and continue the same attitude. It's their choice though but it's definitely annoying, but when you accept that people like that just lack intellect it becomes easier.
Only word I misspronounced was Chitin, I always thought and felt it's sound is "che" - chi-tin. Not ki-tin.
Anyways, it's a common thing people don't know how to say everything perfectly, I just don't like those who don't care and deliberately continue pronouncing wrong. I don't know that word in English describing such people - people who don't care, go their own way thinking it's the best, neglecting the right thing, even knowing what should be done right.
Nice OP. I learned that wreak is not pronounced like wreck (since the word was never covered in my language classes I probably picked it up from other people who pronounced it incorrectly), so thank you for that.
The rest of this thread just shows to me that having perfect language skills doesn't necessarily make you look smart in conversations. If you can't handle criticism and act like a jerk in every second post, then the best articulation will not prevent the impression of a little kid who rages against each and everyone. I prefer mannered folks even if they say zeelot instead of zealot.
On October 12 2010 17:59 kojinshugi wrote: I've heard lots of people say "steeps" instead of "steppes".
Anyway, what is up with the OP's phonetic spelling? "Chitin" is pronounced "Kahy-tin"?
"Tyler" is pronounced "Tahy-ler"? Those are diphthongs, you don't separate them into individual vowel sounds. Chitin is "kie-tin" and Tyler is "tie-ler".
Kahy-tin looks like you're trying to pronounce the silent H.
Thank you! I did not really understand what he meant there, and being swedish i was not sure i was doing right/wrong either. I was mostly going from the swedish pronounciation of Chitin (Ki-tin i guess i could call it) and was now worried i would have to try and say it Kahytin, like ka-hy-tin? O_o
Now i just need to work on my accent and get the "i"-part sounding a bit less swedish and more english.
Anyhow, weird thread but kinda amusing. Would really have hoped for some actual debate and high-level discussions but oh well.
Finally a note about "Maelstrom", for me saying maelstorm is just so wrong, has anyone actually seen it spelled maelstrom anywhere where it has not been a typo? I just think to many peolpla have said it wrong that some belive it is actually spelled "storm" at the end...
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im pretty bad when it comes to [ree-ey-juhnt] things like that![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VUrmvr06L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
