On September 23 2010 23:05 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 22:37 Hawk wrote:
though he's a bit crass, he's completely right You know nothing about history or current events right? + Show Spoiler +"The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed."
[Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted in Freethought Today April 1990]
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
"What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator."
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]
"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief."
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]
"And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God."
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]
"Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another... while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve."
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
"Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook."
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171]
"I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 1]
"I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 2]
"...the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
"As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
"Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the scheming of political parties."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
"For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
"In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and well-planned."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
"It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological instincts of the broad masses of its adherents."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
"If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3, about the leader of the Christian Social movement]
"Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5]
"I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5]
"Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5]
"I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 6]
"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 7, reflecting on World War I]
"The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings... If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8]
"To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8]
"The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution, against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles. The first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the 'image' of God."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10]
"Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10, echoing the Cultural Warfare rhetoric of the Religious Right]
"But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10]
"While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new followers for their doctrine-- an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular-- right here in Europe they lose millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences, particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10]
"The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all efficacy."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10]
"Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11]
"The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11]
"....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing Martin Luther's teachings]
"Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which drove them forward."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12]
"The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12]
"The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12]
"All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can move mountains."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12]
"Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1]
"Of course, even the general designation 'religious' includes various basic ideas or convictions, for example, the indestructibility of the soul, the eternity of its existence, the existence of a higher being, etc. But all these ideas, regardless of how convincing they may be for the individual, are submitted to the critical examination of this individual and hence to a fluctuating affirmation or negation until emotional divination or knowledge assumes the binding force of apodictic faith. This, above all, is the fighting factor which makes a breach and opens the way for the recognition of basic religious views."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1]
"Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1]
"A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
"It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly, but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother, than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
"That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?"
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
"For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes, hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and order."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
"It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture- race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
"It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5]
"For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant changes in its outward structure? ...Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas... it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5]
"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10]
"In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10]
"For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!'
[Adolf Hitler's prayer, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 2 Chapter 13]
"The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life"
[Adolph Hitler, in a speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933]
"ATHEIST HALL CONVERTED
Berlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshippers
Wireless to the New York Times.
BERLIN, May 13. - In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership.
The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had about 500,000 members ..."
[New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 2, on Hitler's outlawing of atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany in the Spring of 1933, after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree]
"I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker."
[Adolf Hitler, Speech, 15 March 1936, Munich, Germany.]
"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life...."
[Adolf Hitler, Berlin, February 1, 1933]
"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past ... (few) years."
[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
was in refreence to this:
On September 23 2010 04:35 ArbAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2010 04:32 7mk wrote:On September 22 2010 03:32 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:On September 22 2010 02:22 7mk wrote:On September 22 2010 01:45 Offhand wrote:On September 22 2010 01:42 7mk wrote:On September 21 2010 10:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:On September 21 2010 02:10 7mk wrote:l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church." ?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs. That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows. Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that. lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former. Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton. "Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass? Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right? 0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested... There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day. Now you are comparing figures for how large a percentage of Roman Catholic Priests are peadophiles with a figure for how much of total Child abuse happens in the family. You have posted sources for neither of these stats and should definetly not be comparing these figures. Do you honestly think this is contributing anything constructive? By your logic, I could say that 5% of Roman Catholic Church priests in America being paedophile is an astonishingly low number, because they only account for 2% of all Child abuse in America. Fact is though, that you have to take into account how large a part of the population are actually Roman Catholic priests. Finally, I want to point out, that you have Misquoted, the representative from The Roman Catholic Church in the interview I posted. The figure is 0,4% not 0,04%, this shows once more why it's important to post sources. You misquoted me, the people from the interview, you don't post sources and you compare figures for completely different things in a very misleading way. Do you honestly think you're contributing? Ask your father. I didn't mean to make it as a direct comparison, my point was simply that crimes happen in all areas of society, and that it happes a lot and is not at all exclusive to catholic priests. I should have just mentioned that without using numbers cause it made it sound like I was doign a direct comparison, my bad. I didnt however make it a comparison to how often it happens in family but how often it happens overall. And I said that over 50% happens in families which is indeed relevant to the discussion. "The figure is 0,4% not 0,04%, this shows once more why it's important to post sources. " Whops guess I made the same mistake you did in the beginning. That has nothing to do with "important to post sources" though whatsoever, since its the same source as yours ^^ I think everyone knows that murders happen lots and lots more in the US, are you really saying I need to post sources for that? Of course this doesnt mean that there is any relations whatsoever to therefore being higher abuse numbers as well in the US, it was just a guess and I think I made it clear that it was nothing but that.
I think when you 'quote' my post, that you should at least read it, seeing as your father is not here to read it for you. I never wrote: 'I didn't know how him being a forensic pshychiatrist makes him an expert', I didn't write the other quotes you made either, please refrain from making up quotes, it furthers the level of discussion a lot, don't you think?
In addition, you should not make derogatory comments in my direction about being a blind Adam Boulton fanboy, as I am simply using a statistic, that he brought up. You will see in my post, that it was made by an independent inquiry by The Catholic Church, not by Mr. Boulton.
You are quoting your 'daddy' and 'yourself' and have not posted a source. Child abuse maybe lower for priests than for the general public in Germany, but you have not even told us which priests your statistics are for. Is it for all priests or just The Roman Catholic Church. The topic we're discussing is the Roman Catholic Church.
I do not think you are winning many friends by implying that Americans are multiple times as likely to be peadophiles as Europeans. Especially, when you do not post any facts or sources to back up your comments.
Child abuse and peadophilia has been very widespread in The Roman Catholic Church in America and Europe. I don't see why you are arguing against this fact. The scariest thing is what they must be doing in the third world where the control is even worse than in America and Europe.
Anyway, life is too short for discussions like this and I can see, that I somehow made you angry with my posts, expressed mainly by how incoherent your final post was.
Of course, I'm just randomly making stuff up "how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church." That's your exact quote. Nice how you use my argument/complaint and turn it around on me though. I havent told which priests the statistics are for because I thought it was pretty damn obvious we were talking about Catholics. I didn't post sources because I assumed you can't read German. But here let me look for an english source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country#Germany94 cases of sexual abuse in catholic church since 1995. It's not a lot compared to 15000 reported cases of child abuse each year. You were the one being derogatory, making me look like a dumb little daddy's boy and any aggressiveness in my tone is only a reaction to that. On September 22 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On September 22 2010 02:22 7mk wrote:On September 22 2010 01:45 Offhand wrote:On September 22 2010 01:42 7mk wrote:On September 21 2010 10:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:On September 21 2010 02:10 7mk wrote:l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church." ?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs. That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows. Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that. lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former. Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton. "Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass? Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right? 0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested... There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day. "GUUUUYS, let's talk about other child molestations. I chose not to acknowledge the fact that it occurs in church and completely undermines my morality system!" Unlike Evil Monkey you're not even using common sense so I have nothing to say to that lol. 7mk, your dad could be a dick-sucking manwhore for all we know. This is the internet, either you find some reliable sources to backup your claims or STFU. Hell, even if your dad does what you proclaim him to do, that's just the opinion of 1 person and there's no way to judge how biased he is, thus adding nothing to your credibility. "My dad is..." I lol'ed so hard.
How the hell did I get confused for calling people nazis, or even mixed in the debate about whether hitler hated christians or not???
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