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arbattack: Stuff Ah well, if this were any other forum I could splash my white-knight all over your face for a post of that quality, but this site being as well policed as it is I can simply sit tight in the knowledge that sooner or later, the modstick will be forced so far down your throat that you can't sit down :3 On the topic of Minchin's response, it was below his usual standard. I love Tim Minchin, and watching a few of his videos it is evident that he is far wittier than that song would suggest he is. The same old raw wit and musical talent was still evident there, but the swearing really did detract from his point -.- As for Dawkins, eloquent as always. He is a true intellectual, unlike the dear Pope. "...as though a penis were an essential tool for pastoral duties.". Fantastic :D | ||
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Offhand
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On September 23 2010 22:37 Hawk wrote: though he's a bit crass, he's completely right You know nothing about history or current events right? + Show Spoiler + "The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936] "I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it." [Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40] "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed." [Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted in Freethought Today April 1990] "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46] "What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125] "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152] "And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174] "Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another... while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309] "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941] "Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171] "I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 1] "I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 2] "...the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the scheming of political parties." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes! [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and well-planned." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological instincts of the broad masses of its adherents." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3, about the leader of the Christian Social movement] "Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 6] "Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 7, reflecting on World War I] "The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings... If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8] "To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8] "The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution, against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles. The first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the 'image' of God." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10, echoing the Cultural Warfare rhetoric of the Religious Right] "But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new followers for their doctrine-- an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular-- right here in Europe they lose millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences, particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all efficacy." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11] "The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11] "....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing Martin Luther's teachings] "Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which drove them forward." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can move mountains." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "Of course, even the general designation 'religious' includes various basic ideas or convictions, for example, the indestructibility of the soul, the eternity of its existence, the existence of a higher being, etc. But all these ideas, regardless of how convincing they may be for the individual, are submitted to the critical examination of this individual and hence to a fluctuating affirmation or negation until emotional divination or knowledge assumes the binding force of apodictic faith. This, above all, is the fighting factor which makes a breach and opens the way for the recognition of basic religious views." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly, but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother, than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?" [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes, hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and order." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture- race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5] "For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant changes in its outward structure? ...Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas... it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5] "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10] "In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10] "For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!' [Adolf Hitler's prayer, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 2 Chapter 13] "The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life" [Adolph Hitler, in a speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933] "ATHEIST HALL CONVERTED Berlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshippers Wireless to the New York Times. BERLIN, May 13. - In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership. The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had about 500,000 members ..." [New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 2, on Hitler's outlawing of atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany in the Spring of 1933, after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree] "I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker." [Adolf Hitler, Speech, 15 March 1936, Munich, Germany.] "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life...." [Adolf Hitler, Berlin, February 1, 1933] "Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past ... (few) years." [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872] | ||
nath
United States1788 Posts
![]() Morality has nothing to do with Religion. Sorry. | ||
soultwister
Poland80 Posts
btw, it's great britain, they have alot of religious extremists or all brands speaking unacceptably offensive shit out loud all the time and get a pat on the back from the goverment but then, their goverment might just enjoy balls constantly bouncing off their chin, we shouldn't be so untolerant of it | ||
Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On September 23 2010 04:35 ArbAttack wrote: 7mk, your dad could be a dick-sucking manwhore for all we know. This is the internet, either you find some reliable sources to backup your claims or STFU. Hell, even if your dad does what you proclaim him to do, that's just the opinion of 1 person and there's no way to judge how biased he is, thus adding nothing to your credibility. "My dad is..." I lol'ed so hard. And Evil Monkey, you're getting your figures off a news network. Perhaps, just perhaps, you're a bit overzealous on the topic and might be just a tad blinded to remember the fact that news sensationalism sells stories, and that Skynews is part of the media conglomerate, News Corp. So until you find a better source, refrain from further posting. Quality flame is always entertainment. So I cannot quote inquiries funded by the Catholic Church itself +______________________+. I am well aware that Sky News is a very sensationalist news site, but honestly sensationalist or none-sensationalist the people on that panel (in the interview) know a lot about the topic and that's why they are there. A hell of a lot more than you or me. They've done research and worked with it for many years, if the people in the interview are not very very qualified to make comments on the subject, then I don't know who the hell is. I doubt you even saw the interview and are just latching on to the opportunity of acting pompous for no reason. If you want to talk about the reliability and validity of their sources, maybe you should look into it Mr. Internet Scholar. Edit: Btw, who all of a sudden gave you the right to come in and flame in a vulgar manner and act all pompous with no basis for it. | ||
Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On September 23 2010 22:32 7mk wrote: http://www.cicero.de/97.php?item=4907 read that if you want. I dont think you'll stay around for very long on this site if you keep posting like that while telling others to stfu and stop posting. Hmmm, so we can conclude the American and British Catholic priests are worse than the German ones or that the cases simply haven't been reported in Germany. Anyway, it's really great to finally have a source for your comments, it really helps to have a source and a fairly good one at that. | ||
Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On September 23 2010 23:22 soultwister wrote: who cares really, pope's just some random fuck and doesn't mean anything to me, dare i say most of us btw, it's great britain, they have alot of religious extremists or all brands speaking unacceptably offensive shit out loud all the time and get a pat on the back from the goverment but then, their goverment might just enjoy balls constantly bouncing off their chin, we shouldn't be so untolerant of it I think you'll find that religious extremism is not widespread at all in GB, especially in comparison with Poland where there are so many people that follow and love the pope. Edit: I made a triple post, it was unintentional, just read three different comment I wanted to reply to 1by1. | ||
MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On September 23 2010 22:37 Hawk wrote: though he's a bit crass, he's completely right er, what? That's some pretty insightful posting there. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." You provide the former but none of the latter. Burden is on you, if you want to claim that I am a Nazi, go for it. But you better have some strong proof and solid ground to stand on, or you're just a dunce. Come on, take your best shot. How are secularist people (myself included as a hard atheist) Nazis? | ||
Judicator
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
It's infuriating that he can say this and it's both infuriating and mind-boggling that this guy still has all the support he does after it came out a few years ago that he actively participated in the sex-abuse scandal cover-up. In today's political culture this kind of inflammatory speech is unfortunately very effective. We Americans have mainstream politicians that spew this kind of nonsense, frightening and making your base angry at the other side is a very effective way to drum up support against them whether the claims have foundation or not. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
On September 24 2010 02:43 Judicator wrote: Better question is why he isn't calling them Marxist... He would but it's old fashion. Godwin point in another hand, will always be a good argument to put some serious bullshit into a conversation. On September 23 2010 23:05 Offhand wrote: You know nothing about history or current events right? + Show Spoiler + "The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936] "I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it." [Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40] "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed." [Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted in Freethought Today April 1990] "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46] "What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125] "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152] "And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174] "Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another... while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309] "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941] "Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171] "I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 1] "I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 2] "...the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the scheming of political parties." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes! [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and well-planned." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological instincts of the broad masses of its adherents." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3, about the leader of the Christian Social movement] "Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 6] "Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 7, reflecting on World War I] "The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings... If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8] "To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8] "The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution, against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles. The first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the 'image' of God." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10, echoing the Cultural Warfare rhetoric of the Religious Right] "But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new followers for their doctrine-- an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular-- right here in Europe they lose millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences, particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all efficacy." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11] "The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11] "....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing Martin Luther's teachings] "Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which drove them forward." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can move mountains." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "Of course, even the general designation 'religious' includes various basic ideas or convictions, for example, the indestructibility of the soul, the eternity of its existence, the existence of a higher being, etc. But all these ideas, regardless of how convincing they may be for the individual, are submitted to the critical examination of this individual and hence to a fluctuating affirmation or negation until emotional divination or knowledge assumes the binding force of apodictic faith. This, above all, is the fighting factor which makes a breach and opens the way for the recognition of basic religious views." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly, but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother, than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?" [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes, hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and order." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture- race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5] "For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant changes in its outward structure? ...Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas... it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5] "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10] "In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10] "For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!' [Adolf Hitler's prayer, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 2 Chapter 13] "The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life" [Adolph Hitler, in a speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933] "ATHEIST HALL CONVERTED Berlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshippers Wireless to the New York Times. BERLIN, May 13. - In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership. The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had about 500,000 members ..." [New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 2, on Hitler's outlawing of atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany in the Spring of 1933, after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree] "I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker." [Adolf Hitler, Speech, 15 March 1936, Munich, Germany.] "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life...." [Adolf Hitler, Berlin, February 1, 1933] "Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past ... (few) years." [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872] This is absolutely full of win. | ||
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On September 23 2010 23:05 Offhand wrote: You know nothing about history or current events right? + Show Spoiler + "The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936] "I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it." [Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40] "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed." [Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted in Freethought Today April 1990] "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46] "What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125] "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152] "And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174] "Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another... while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309] "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941] "Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171] "I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 1] "I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 2] "...the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the scheming of political parties." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes! [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and well-planned." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological instincts of the broad masses of its adherents." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3] "If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3, about the leader of the Christian Social movement] "Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5] "I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 6] "Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 7, reflecting on World War I] "The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings... If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8] "To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 8] "The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution, against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles. The first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the 'image' of God." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10, echoing the Cultural Warfare rhetoric of the Religious Right] "But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new followers for their doctrine-- an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular-- right here in Europe they lose millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences, particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all efficacy." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10] "Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11] "The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11] "....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing Martin Luther's teachings] "Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which drove them forward." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can move mountains." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12] "Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "Of course, even the general designation 'religious' includes various basic ideas or convictions, for example, the indestructibility of the soul, the eternity of its existence, the existence of a higher being, etc. But all these ideas, regardless of how convincing they may be for the individual, are submitted to the critical examination of this individual and hence to a fluctuating affirmation or negation until emotional divination or knowledge assumes the binding force of apodictic faith. This, above all, is the fighting factor which makes a breach and opens the way for the recognition of basic religious views." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1] "A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly, but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother, than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?" [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes, hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and order." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture- race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2] "Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5] "For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant changes in its outward structure? ...Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas... it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 5] "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10] "In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 10] "For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!' [Adolf Hitler's prayer, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 2 Chapter 13] "The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life" [Adolph Hitler, in a speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933] "ATHEIST HALL CONVERTED Berlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshippers Wireless to the New York Times. BERLIN, May 13. - In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership. The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had about 500,000 members ..." [New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 2, on Hitler's outlawing of atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany in the Spring of 1933, after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree] "I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker." [Adolf Hitler, Speech, 15 March 1936, Munich, Germany.] "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life...." [Adolf Hitler, Berlin, February 1, 1933] "Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past ... (few) years." [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872] So what is this hitlerquotepedia telling us? That hitler was a nutty dictator/mass murder who thought he was a christian? You should not put too much faith into the fuhrers words. At last the things you do show who you are including hitler. There is an interesting wiki site discussing hitlers religious views only where you can see that this topic is a little more complex than you thought it would be. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views Derek Hastings sees Hitler's commitment to Christianity as more tenuous. He considers it "eminently plausible" that Hitler was a believing Catholic as late as his trial in 1924, but writes that "there is little doubt that Hitler was a staunch opponent of Christianity throughout the duration of the Third Reich." Hitler also said, "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity." | ||
TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
I don't think so. The Pope is obviously wrong in this regard. His statement isn't backed up by facts. | ||
Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
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Sumsi
Germany593 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:04 TOloseGT wrote: Why should it be impossible that nazis can be atheists?And "opponent of Christianity" automatically becomes "extremist Atheist"? I don't think so. The Pope is obviously wrong in this regard. His statement isn't backed up by facts. Is every atheist a humanist that doesnt kill people? Maybe that's what the pope was thinking: an atheist extremist beeing someone who doesn't believe in god and doesn't have any moral restrictions on top of that ... | ||
Meta
United States6225 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:45 Sumsi wrote: Why should it be impossible that nazis can be atheists? Is every atheist a humanist that doesnt kill people? Maybe that's what the pope was thinking: an atheist extremist beeing someone who doesn't believe in god and doesn't have any moral restrictions on top of that ... Every extremist has moral restrictions. I think atheist extremists have some of the best moral restrictions of any kind. You don't see them molesting children or strapping bombs to their chest. You don't see extremist atheists preaching destruction on their fellow man, no matter what religion he is. Every modern extremist atheist (hitchens, harris, dawkins) wages a purely intellectual war. They use words -- and words ALONE -- to convey their ideas, and more importantly the ideas they convey are directed almost entirely at healthy-minded adults, not at weak minded and easily persuaded children like most religions are guilty of. The whole hitler argument is complete bullshit and everybody who's put any amount of thought into it knows it's complete bullshit. Who cares if he was christian, atheist or otherwise? There are horrible, evil people of all belief systems. It speaks nothing to christianity if hitler was a christian, and it speaks nothing to militant atheism if he was a militant atheist. I have no doubt there were atheists in his regime, just as there were christians. It's just a waste of time and it completely dodges the whole point of an intellectual religious debate to throw out these filthy, ridiculous arguments. The fact that the pope stooped to this new low shows me only that he's scared. He's scared of moral retribution for the horrible deeds he's committed in hiding child rapists from secular law. He's scared that his opinions on the natural and the supernatural alike are being proven wrong - convincingly I might add - on an exponentially increasing level that has never before been done in the history of mankind. He's scared that his power is waning, through the growth and increasing popularity of secular humanism. And, perhaps, he's also influenced by the extremist terrorism that more ballsy religions are now resorting to in response to the explosion of atheistic moral rhetoric that seems to be gripping the younger generation of this planet more and more every day. | ||
Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On September 24 2010 04:42 Sumsi wrote: So what is this hitlerquotepedia telling us? That hitler was a nutty dictator/mass murder who thought he was a christian? You should not put too much faith into the fuhrers words. At last the things you do show who you are including hitler. There is an interesting wiki site discussing hitlers religious views only where you can see that this topic is a little more complex than you thought it would be. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views Hitler believed in God, he even saw himself as acting out God's own will. If you're trying to establish otherwise, you're debating the wrong thing. Now you're missing the point. The pope's own words were that "extreme atheism" (anyone want to try to define that?) was the root cause of the worlds major atrocities and moral failings. But since most people slept through history class, you forgot what the two most destructive forces in civilization were. 1) Religion 2) Nationalism . . . 391) Spontaneous Human Combustion . . . 1038) Extreme Atheism | ||
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