On September 19 2010 17:52 KwarK wrote: I find this hilarious, both because of the Nazi Youth connection and the fact that it was the support of the German Catholic party that brought Hitler to power. They made a pact with the Pope that gave Hitler the support of the Catholic Church in exchange for protection for German Catholics. While you can make an argument that all Germans consented to the atrocities that followed out of self interest most didn't put it in writing. The Catholic Church were the first to assure Hitler he could do whatever he liked to anyone else as long as they were protected.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
On September 19 2010 17:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
On September 19 2010 16:48 blitzkrieger wrote:
On September 19 2010 16:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: If atheists abused 1000's of innocent children like they have, I would listen to what this old troll has to say. Fact is though, that it's him and his followers that have done so.
There are actually much less pedophiles in the Church than the general population by quite some amount (20x less?). Again I wish I had a source but I don't. And I don't excuse them for trying to have "damage control" for it either. I'm not even Catholic.
You are so blind, I'm not gonna waste any more time on you (after this). The Pope and The Catholic church has accepted a figure saying '0,05% or 1/20' of the priests have abused children. You can have your kiddy fiddler religion all for yourself mate. You're making up statistics as you go a long, not 1/20 of the general population are peadophiles and have commited crimes like this. This was broadcast on Sky News yesterday, now you go find a source for your imaginary statistics and catholic priests will hopefully be able to abuse children for many more years to come.
edit: I just realized that by your statistics I.E. the general population having 20times as high a rate of peadophelia as The Catholic Church would mean that every single person who's not a priest would be a peadophile. Do you still think your inventend statistics are correct? or do you admit that you are just slinging random stuff out and trolling in general?
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
On September 19 2010 17:52 KwarK wrote: I find this hilarious, both because of the Nazi Youth connection and the fact that it was the support of the German Catholic party that brought Hitler to power. They made a pact with the Pope that gave Hitler the support of the Catholic Church in exchange for protection for German Catholics. While you can make an argument that all Germans consented to the atrocities that followed out of self interest most didn't put it in writing. The Catholic Church were the first to assure Hitler he could do whatever he liked to anyone else as long as they were protected.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
On September 19 2010 17:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
On September 19 2010 16:48 blitzkrieger wrote:
On September 19 2010 16:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: If atheists abused 1000's of innocent children like they have, I would listen to what this old troll has to say. Fact is though, that it's him and his followers that have done so.
There are actually much less pedophiles in the Church than the general population by quite some amount (20x less?). Again I wish I had a source but I don't. And I don't excuse them for trying to have "damage control" for it either. I'm not even Catholic.
You are so blind, I'm not gonna waste any more time on you (after this). The Pope and The Catholic church has accepted a figure saying '0,05% or 1/20' of the priests have abused children. You can have your kiddy fiddler religion all for yourself mate. You're making up statistics as you go a long, not 1/20 of the general population are peadophiles and have commited crimes like this. This was broadcast on Sky News yesterday, now you go find a source for your imaginary statistics and catholic priests will hopefully be able to abuse children for many more years to come.
edit: I just realized that by your statistics I.E. the general population having 20times as high a rate of peadophelia as The Catholic Church would mean that every single person who's not a priest would be a peadophile. Do you still think your inventend statistics are correct? or do you admit that you are just slinging random stuff out and trolling in general?
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
On September 19 2010 17:52 KwarK wrote: I find this hilarious, both because of the Nazi Youth connection and the fact that it was the support of the German Catholic party that brought Hitler to power. They made a pact with the Pope that gave Hitler the support of the Catholic Church in exchange for protection for German Catholics. While you can make an argument that all Germans consented to the atrocities that followed out of self interest most didn't put it in writing. The Catholic Church were the first to assure Hitler he could do whatever he liked to anyone else as long as they were protected.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
On September 19 2010 17:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
On September 19 2010 16:48 blitzkrieger wrote: [quote]
There are actually much less pedophiles in the Church than the general population by quite some amount (20x less?). Again I wish I had a source but I don't. And I don't excuse them for trying to have "damage control" for it either. I'm not even Catholic.
You are so blind, I'm not gonna waste any more time on you (after this). The Pope and The Catholic church has accepted a figure saying '0,05% or 1/20' of the priests have abused children. You can have your kiddy fiddler religion all for yourself mate. You're making up statistics as you go a long, not 1/20 of the general population are peadophiles and have commited crimes like this. This was broadcast on Sky News yesterday, now you go find a source for your imaginary statistics and catholic priests will hopefully be able to abuse children for many more years to come.
edit: I just realized that by your statistics I.E. the general population having 20times as high a rate of peadophelia as The Catholic Church would mean that every single person who's not a priest would be a peadophile. Do you still think your inventend statistics are correct? or do you admit that you are just slinging random stuff out and trolling in general?
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
"As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny."
What he should have said:
"As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the religious extremism of all of human history, let us never forget how the inclusion of God has led ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and this to a 'reductive vision of the person and his destiny.'"
On September 19 2010 17:52 KwarK wrote: I find this hilarious, both because of the Nazi Youth connection and the fact that it was the support of the German Catholic party that brought Hitler to power. They made a pact with the Pope that gave Hitler the support of the Catholic Church in exchange for protection for German Catholics. While you can make an argument that all Germans consented to the atrocities that followed out of self interest most didn't put it in writing. The Catholic Church were the first to assure Hitler he could do whatever he liked to anyone else as long as they were protected.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
On September 19 2010 17:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: [quote] You are so blind, I'm not gonna waste any more time on you (after this). The Pope and The Catholic church has accepted a figure saying '0,05% or 1/20' of the priests have abused children. You can have your kiddy fiddler religion all for yourself mate. You're making up statistics as you go a long, not 1/20 of the general population are peadophiles and have commited crimes like this. This was broadcast on Sky News yesterday, now you go find a source for your imaginary statistics and catholic priests will hopefully be able to abuse children for many more years to come.
edit: I just realized that by your statistics I.E. the general population having 20times as high a rate of peadophelia as The Catholic Church would mean that every single person who's not a priest would be a peadophile. Do you still think your inventend statistics are correct? or do you admit that you are just slinging random stuff out and trolling in general?
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
Yes yes, no worries that dudes in a position of power abuse the trust they've built with little boys and rape them. Happens all the time!
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
[quote]
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
Yes yes, no worries that dudes in a position of power abuse the trust they've built with little boys and rape them. Happens all the time!
Of course its fucked up. But is abusing and raping your son any better?
On September 19 2010 21:23 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: [quote] It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
Yes yes, no worries that dudes in a position of power abuse the trust they've built with little boys and rape them. Happens all the time!
Of course its fucked up. But is abusing and raping your son any better?
I didn't realize that incestual rape decreases the severity of the misdoings in the church
On September 19 2010 17:52 KwarK wrote: I find this hilarious, both because of the Nazi Youth connection and the fact that it was the support of the German Catholic party that brought Hitler to power. They made a pact with the Pope that gave Hitler the support of the Catholic Church in exchange for protection for German Catholics. While you can make an argument that all Germans consented to the atrocities that followed out of self interest most didn't put it in writing. The Catholic Church were the first to assure Hitler he could do whatever he liked to anyone else as long as they were protected.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
On September 19 2010 17:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
On September 19 2010 16:48 blitzkrieger wrote:
On September 19 2010 16:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: If atheists abused 1000's of innocent children like they have, I would listen to what this old troll has to say. Fact is though, that it's him and his followers that have done so.
There are actually much less pedophiles in the Church than the general population by quite some amount (20x less?). Again I wish I had a source but I don't. And I don't excuse them for trying to have "damage control" for it either. I'm not even Catholic.
You are so blind, I'm not gonna waste any more time on you (after this). The Pope and The Catholic church has accepted a figure saying '0,05% or 1/20' of the priests have abused children. You can have your kiddy fiddler religion all for yourself mate. You're making up statistics as you go a long, not 1/20 of the general population are peadophiles and have commited crimes like this. This was broadcast on Sky News yesterday, now you go find a source for your imaginary statistics and catholic priests will hopefully be able to abuse children for many more years to come.
edit: I just realized that by your statistics I.E. the general population having 20times as high a rate of peadophelia as The Catholic Church would mean that every single person who's not a priest would be a peadophile. Do you still think your inventend statistics are correct? or do you admit that you are just slinging random stuff out and trolling in general?
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
I think when you 'quote' my post, that you should at least read it, seeing as your father is not here to read it for you. I never wrote: 'I didn't know how him being a forensic pshychiatrist makes him an expert', I didn't write the other quotes you made either, please refrain from making up quotes, it furthers the level of discussion a lot, don't you think? In addition, you should not make derogatory comments in my direction about being a blind Adam Boulton fanboy, as I am simply using a statistic, that he brought up. You will see in my post, that it was made by an independent inquiry by The Catholic Church, not by Mr. Boulton. You are quoting your 'daddy' and 'yourself' and have not posted a source. Child abuse maybe lower for priests than for the general public in Germany, but you have not even told us which priests your statistics are for. Is it for all priests or just The Roman Catholic Church. The topic we're discussing is the Roman Catholic Church. I do not think you are winning many friends by implying that Americans are multiple times as likely to be peadophiles as Europeans. Especially, when you do not post any facts or sources to back up your comments. Child abuse and peadophilia has been very widespread in The Roman Catholic Church in America and Europe. I don't see why you are arguing against this fact. The scariest thing is what they must be doing in the third world where the control is even worse than in America and Europe. Anyway, life is too short for discussions like this and I can see, that I somehow made you angry with my posts, expressed mainly by how incoherent your final post was.
On September 19 2010 17:52 KwarK wrote: I find this hilarious, both because of the Nazi Youth connection and the fact that it was the support of the German Catholic party that brought Hitler to power. They made a pact with the Pope that gave Hitler the support of the Catholic Church in exchange for protection for German Catholics. While you can make an argument that all Germans consented to the atrocities that followed out of self interest most didn't put it in writing. The Catholic Church were the first to assure Hitler he could do whatever he liked to anyone else as long as they were protected.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
On September 19 2010 17:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: [quote] You are so blind, I'm not gonna waste any more time on you (after this). The Pope and The Catholic church has accepted a figure saying '0,05% or 1/20' of the priests have abused children. You can have your kiddy fiddler religion all for yourself mate. You're making up statistics as you go a long, not 1/20 of the general population are peadophiles and have commited crimes like this. This was broadcast on Sky News yesterday, now you go find a source for your imaginary statistics and catholic priests will hopefully be able to abuse children for many more years to come.
edit: I just realized that by your statistics I.E. the general population having 20times as high a rate of peadophelia as The Catholic Church would mean that every single person who's not a priest would be a peadophile. Do you still think your inventend statistics are correct? or do you admit that you are just slinging random stuff out and trolling in general?
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
"GUUUUYS, let's talk about other child molestations. I chose not to acknowledge the fact that it occurs in church and completely undermines my morality system!"
On September 19 2010 17:52 KwarK wrote: I find this hilarious, both because of the Nazi Youth connection and the fact that it was the support of the German Catholic party that brought Hitler to power. They made a pact with the Pope that gave Hitler the support of the Catholic Church in exchange for protection for German Catholics. While you can make an argument that all Germans consented to the atrocities that followed out of self interest most didn't put it in writing. The Catholic Church were the first to assure Hitler he could do whatever he liked to anyone else as long as they were protected.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
On September 19 2010 17:30 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: [quote] You are so blind, I'm not gonna waste any more time on you (after this). The Pope and The Catholic church has accepted a figure saying '0,05% or 1/20' of the priests have abused children. You can have your kiddy fiddler religion all for yourself mate. You're making up statistics as you go a long, not 1/20 of the general population are peadophiles and have commited crimes like this. This was broadcast on Sky News yesterday, now you go find a source for your imaginary statistics and catholic priests will hopefully be able to abuse children for many more years to come.
edit: I just realized that by your statistics I.E. the general population having 20times as high a rate of peadophelia as The Catholic Church would mean that every single person who's not a priest would be a peadophile. Do you still think your inventend statistics are correct? or do you admit that you are just slinging random stuff out and trolling in general?
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
Now you are comparing figures for how large a percentage of Roman Catholic Priests are peadophiles with a figure for how much of total Child abuse happens in the family. You have posted sources for neither of these stats and should definetly not be comparing these figures. Do you honestly think this is contributing anything constructive? By your logic, I could say that 5% of Roman Catholic Church priests in America being paedophile is an astonishingly low number, because they only account for 2% of all Child abuse in America. Fact is though, that you have to take into account how large a part of the population are actually Roman Catholic priests. Finally, I want to point out, that you have Misquoted the representative from The Roman Catholic Church in the interview I posted. The figure is 0,4% not 0,04%, this shows once more why it's important to post sources. You misquoted me, the people from the interview, you don't post sources and you compare figures for completely different things in a very misleading way. Do you honestly think you're contributing? Ask your father.
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Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
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wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
Now you are comparing figures for how large a percentage of Roman Catholic Priests are peadophiles with a figure for how much of total Child abuse happens in the family. You have posted sources for neither of these stats and should definetly not be comparing these figures. Do you honestly think this is contributing anything constructive? By your logic, I could say that 5% of Roman Catholic Church priests in America being paedophile is an astonishingly low number, because they only account for 2% of all Child abuse in America. Fact is though, that you have to take into account how large a part of the population are actually Roman Catholic priests. Finally, I want to point out, that you have Misquoted, the representative from The Roman Catholic Church in the interview I posted. The figure is 0,4% not 0,04%, this shows once more why it's important to post sources. You misquoted me, the people from the interview, you don't post sources and you compare figures for completely different things in a very misleading way. Do you honestly think you're contributing? Ask your father.
I didn't mean to make it as a direct comparison, my point was simply that crimes happen in all areas of society, and that it happes a lot and is not at all exclusive to catholic priests. I should have just mentioned that without using numbers cause it made it sound like I was doign a direct comparison, my bad.
I didnt however make it a comparison to how often it happens in family but how often it happens overall. And I said that over 50% happens in families which is indeed relevant to the discussion.
"The figure is 0,4% not 0,04%, this shows once more why it's important to post sources. " Whops guess I made the same mistake you did in the beginning. That has nothing to do with "important to post sources" though whatsoever, since its the same source as yours ^^
I think everyone knows that murders happen lots and lots more in the US, are you really saying I need to post sources for that? Of course this doesnt mean that there is any relations whatsoever to therefore being higher abuse numbers as well in the US, it was just a guess and I think I made it clear that it was nothing but that.
I think when you 'quote' my post, that you should at least read it, seeing as your father is not here to read it for you. I never wrote: 'I didn't know how him being a forensic pshychiatrist makes him an expert', I didn't write the other quotes you made either, please refrain from making up quotes, it furthers the level of discussion a lot, don't you think? In addition, you should not make derogatory comments in my direction about being a blind Adam Boulton fanboy, as I am simply using a statistic, that he brought up. You will see in my post, that it was made by an independent inquiry by The Catholic Church, not by Mr. Boulton. You are quoting your 'daddy' and 'yourself' and have not posted a source. Child abuse maybe lower for priests than for the general public in Germany, but you have not even told us which priests your statistics are for. Is it for all priests or just The Roman Catholic Church. The topic we're discussing is the Roman Catholic Church. I do not think you are winning many friends by implying that Americans are multiple times as likely to be peadophiles as Europeans. Especially, when you do not post any facts or sources to back up your comments. Child abuse and peadophilia has been very widespread in The Roman Catholic Church in America and Europe. I don't see why you are arguing against this fact. The scariest thing is what they must be doing in the third world where the control is even worse than in America and Europe. Anyway, life is too short for discussions like this and I can see, that I somehow made you angry with my posts, expressed mainly by how incoherent your final post was.
Of course, I'm just randomly making stuff up "how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church." That's your exact quote. Nice how you use my argument/complaint and turn it around on me though.
I havent told which priests the statistics are for because I thought it was pretty damn obvious we were talking about Catholics. I didn't post sources because I assumed you can't read German.
Yeah that's the first thing I thought about when I read the OP.
If anyone thinks Nazi Germany was really christian they are a bit naive (hell, some churches had the bible replaced by Mein Kampf) but other than that I disagree with about everything blitzkrieger and that other dude ( who was even wrose) wrote.
[quote]
wow massive math fail, 0.05% is not 1/20. That would be 5%.
It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
"GUUUUYS, let's talk about other child molestations. I chose not to acknowledge the fact that it occurs in church and completely undermines my morality system!"
Unlike Evil Monkey you're not even using common sense so I have nothing to say to that lol.
On September 19 2010 17:09 blitzkrieger wrote: I heard Einstein was pretty smart. Newton? A lot of people actually. In fact some monk found out how cells and basic genetics work. Even DARWIN was a priest (or monk forget) when he studied the Galapagos Islands (sp?). In fact people who are religious are people who question and see order and wonder why this is or that is. In fact SCIENCE was originally (and still) is based on the belief that there is order in the universe from God. God made laws so we must find them. .
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein
Funny considering the reason the Nazi's were "natural enemies" of the russians was because they were communist atheists which they despised (the nazi-soviet pact was through gritted teeth.)
On September 19 2010 21:23 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: [quote] It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
Now you are comparing figures for how large a percentage of Roman Catholic Priests are peadophiles with a figure for how much of total Child abuse happens in the family. You have posted sources for neither of these stats and should definetly not be comparing these figures. Do you honestly think this is contributing anything constructive? By your logic, I could say that 5% of Roman Catholic Church priests in America being paedophile is an astonishingly low number, because they only account for 2% of all Child abuse in America. Fact is though, that you have to take into account how large a part of the population are actually Roman Catholic priests. Finally, I want to point out, that you have Misquoted, the representative from The Roman Catholic Church in the interview I posted. The figure is 0,4% not 0,04%, this shows once more why it's important to post sources. You misquoted me, the people from the interview, you don't post sources and you compare figures for completely different things in a very misleading way. Do you honestly think you're contributing? Ask your father.
I didn't mean to make it as a direct comparison, my point was simply that crimes happen in all areas of society, and that it happes a lot and is not at all exclusive to catholic priests. I should have just mentioned that without using numbers cause it made it sound like I was doign a direct comparison, my bad.
I didnt however make it a comparison to how often it happens in family but how often it happens overall. And I said that over 50% happens in families which is indeed relevant to the discussion.
"The figure is 0,4% not 0,04%, this shows once more why it's important to post sources. " Whops guess I made the same mistake you did in the beginning. That has nothing to do with "important to post sources" though whatsoever, since its the same source as yours ^^
I think everyone knows that murders happen lots and lots more in the US, are you really saying I need to post sources for that? Of course this doesnt mean that there is any relations whatsoever to therefore being higher abuse numbers as well in the US, it was just a guess and I think I made it clear that it was nothing but that.
I think when you 'quote' my post, that you should at least read it, seeing as your father is not here to read it for you. I never wrote: 'I didn't know how him being a forensic pshychiatrist makes him an expert', I didn't write the other quotes you made either, please refrain from making up quotes, it furthers the level of discussion a lot, don't you think? In addition, you should not make derogatory comments in my direction about being a blind Adam Boulton fanboy, as I am simply using a statistic, that he brought up. You will see in my post, that it was made by an independent inquiry by The Catholic Church, not by Mr. Boulton. You are quoting your 'daddy' and 'yourself' and have not posted a source. Child abuse maybe lower for priests than for the general public in Germany, but you have not even told us which priests your statistics are for. Is it for all priests or just The Roman Catholic Church. The topic we're discussing is the Roman Catholic Church. I do not think you are winning many friends by implying that Americans are multiple times as likely to be peadophiles as Europeans. Especially, when you do not post any facts or sources to back up your comments. Child abuse and peadophilia has been very widespread in The Roman Catholic Church in America and Europe. I don't see why you are arguing against this fact. The scariest thing is what they must be doing in the third world where the control is even worse than in America and Europe. Anyway, life is too short for discussions like this and I can see, that I somehow made you angry with my posts, expressed mainly by how incoherent your final post was.
Of course, I'm just randomly making stuff up "how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church." That's your exact quote. Nice how you use my argument/complaint and turn it around on me though.
I havent told which priests the statistics are for because I thought it was pretty damn obvious we were talking about Catholics. I didn't post sources because I assumed you can't read German.
On September 19 2010 21:23 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: [quote] It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it.
Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers.
Just go on their webpage skynews.com, how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church.
Check the Adam Boulton panel where they discuss Child abuse by the Catholic Church, but I'm sure your daddy knows much better than them.
I saw it on Sky News, I'm not sure these sources are 100% the same as what I watched on the news, but can't really verify it seeing as I'm in China and Chinese internet is ever worse than the Pope.
The stats metioned '5%' is introduced by Adam Boulton is for America and it's a stat found by an independent inquiry funded by The Catholic Church.
l"how on earth would your father being a forensic psychiatrist have anything to do with him knowing the numbers for abuse by priests from the Catholic Church."
?? Because his job makes him a specialist on the subject of paedophilia and he knows more about it than pretty much any other person in this country ?(besides that he has direct connections to most important figures in our judiciary system). Either way I dont get how you can even ask that question if you know what a forensic psychiatrist does. It's like asking why a archaeologist would know anything about dinosaurs.
That being said if I recall correctly my father was talking about statistics in germany, and those statistics said that overall child abuse among priests was overall just very slightly lower than average. And in the news report you posted that british guy says the stats for UK are 0.04%. So when one single project brings up hugely different numbers than any other researches I would dare argue that it's likely that that single project is wrong. Or maybe it's just US priests that are fucked up, who knows.
Nope, they're not '0,04%' those are the stats represented by the damage control guy from The Catholic Church. Surprised your father didn't tell you, that you cannot always trust representatives from an institution that has always attempted to do 'damage control' and who have knowingly covered up wide spread abuse in many circumstances. I still do not think your father being a forensic psychiatrist has anything to do with you having a vast knowledge of paedophilia, if you had done some research yourself or looked into the matter, it would be different. Most people, when they reach a certain age, will pass playing the 'My father is a really smart guy and knows a lot about this' - card. Your father being a forensic psychiatrist doesn't make you a figure of authority on this subject, you need to realize that.
lol.. Did I say I'm a figure of authority? Did I say I had a vast knowledge of paedophilia? Of course I didn't but what you post makes me sound like an idiot and makes you feel superior so why not post it, right? Funny how you drift from "I didnt know how him being a forensic psychiatrist makes him an expert" to "I still dont know how it makes you an expert" though fail xD. At least you must have realised how wrong you were about the former.
Basically all you're saying is "Only listen to this one research my sexy Mr. Boulton quoted and ignore any other statistics because they are wrong" and other than that you're just bashing me for having mentioned my father. When the truth is I could have mentioned him even if I didnt even know him personally because he's more of a person to listen to about that subject than Mr. Boulton.
"Nope theyre not 0,04%" ... do you have any sort of actual proof thats true or did you just pull that out of your ass?
Overall I still wouldn't be surprised though if US priests did in average commit these crimes a lot more often than European/German ones since crimes are in general just way more frequent over there. But hey, let's not drift off into reasonable discussions and just keep on bashing each other cause that's the way to do a proper discussion, right?
0.04% is still thousands and thousands of children molested...
There's 15000 cases of child abuse in germany every single year. 0,04% is not that much. Over 50% of cases of child abuse are within families. Ye it's still thousands of children molested, just like tons of people are murdered every day.
"GUUUUYS, let's talk about other child molestations. I chose not to acknowledge the fact that it occurs in church and completely undermines my morality system!"
Unlike Evil Monkey you're not even using common sense so I have nothing to say to that lol.
7mk, your dad could be a dick-sucking manwhore for all we know. This is the internet, either you find some reliable sources to backup your claims or STFU. Hell, even if your dad does what you proclaim him to do, that's just the opinion of 1 person and there's no way to judge how biased he is, thus adding nothing to your credibility. "My dad is..." I lol'ed so hard.
And Evil Monkey, you're getting your figures off a news network. Perhaps, just perhaps, you're a bit overzealous on the topic and might be just a tad blinded to remember the fact that news sensationalism sells stories, and that Skynews is part of the media conglomerate, News Corp. So until you find a better source, refrain from further posting.
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