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RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
December 16 2010 19:49 GMT
#1081
On December 17 2010 00:34 Enki wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/world/16wiki.html?emc=na
So, now the U.S is trying to build a case against Wikileaks for conspiracy.
This country just makes me more ashamed every day that passes.

They're just trying to grab at anything they possibly can to keep any more information from getting out.
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 16 2010 20:05 GMT
#1082
This conspiracy angle is really worrying. Media outlets have long been protected from prosecution for publishing leaked materials, even if the person who originally obtained them broke the law. This has been affirmed by both the first amendment and more than one supreme court ruling. With this kind of precedent, after finishing off Wikileaks, the government could go after any news publication next. Though I'm sure Lieberman would have no problem with that.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
December 16 2010 20:17 GMT
#1083
On December 17 2010 05:05 Krigwin wrote:
With this kind of precedent, after finishing off Wikileaks, the government could go after any news publication next.
They DID go after the NYT already. US army Air Force censored them. From my last post:

- http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD6CI20101214
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 16 2010 20:40 GMT
#1084
Blocking a website is different from using legal action to shut that organization down. Though it's also similarly worrying.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
December 16 2010 20:45 GMT
#1085
On the plus side, Assange was granted bail:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/16/wikileaks-latest-julian-assange-bail-appeal

...But it the British CPS who was fighting against this decision. NOT Sweden. Which is somewhat disturbing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/15/julian-assange-bail-decision-uk
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
December 16 2010 21:38 GMT
#1086
I hope he accepts Russia's Asylum and vanishes from the face of the earth
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
December 16 2010 21:39 GMT
#1087
On December 17 2010 06:38 D10 wrote:
I hope he accepts Russia's Asylum and vanishes from the face of the earth


uuuhhhhhhhhh...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/17/3095492.htm?section=justin

.....

:x
Too Busy to Troll!
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
December 16 2010 21:41 GMT
#1088
http://gawker.com/5714043/the-creepy-lovesick-emails-of-julian-assange
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Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
December 16 2010 21:48 GMT
#1089
On December 17 2010 06:41 Hawk wrote:
http://gawker.com/5714043/the-creepy-lovesick-emails-of-julian-assange


The sites down. Timeout error.

lololololololollolololol.
Too Busy to Troll!
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 16 2010 21:51 GMT
#1090
After a few more emails got him nowhere, Assange decided to change tact. Instead of calling Elizabeth, he would try to get Elizabeth to call him. But he chose probably the worst possible way to give her his phone number. Somehow, Elizabeth says, Assange figured out the make and license plate number of her car. Then he incorporated it into a riddle which, when solved, would reveal his phone number:


rofl
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
December 16 2010 22:13 GMT
#1091
That whole thing is hilariously creepy. The dude comes off as such a arrogant, repulsive douche, even before reading that.
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JazusZerg
Profile Joined November 2010
24 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 22:28:58
December 16 2010 22:26 GMT
#1092
who the fuck cares about his personality? It sickens me with so much real information to discuss that anyone would spend even a second pondering the trivialities of this dude's love life. Just goes to show how successfully corporate media has numbed public interest in actual news, in favor of TMZ style bullshit.

EDIT, so now that it's apparent that American civil society is fucked, does anyone know a country I can move to with the following traits:

1. Mild winters (I live in SoCal right now, so use that as a model)
2. Pretty girls (see above)
3. Not turning into a fucking fascist state as we speak

Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
December 16 2010 22:32 GMT
#1093
Blocking NYtimes, CNN, and the Guardian...

Kinda of reminds you of another country we all know doesn't it?
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Bair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
December 16 2010 22:42 GMT
#1094
On December 17 2010 07:32 Half wrote:
Blocking NYtimes, CNN, and the Guardian...

Kinda of reminds you of another country we all know doesn't it?


Sorry, I was trying to clear the red out of my internet browser. Which country might that be? [/sarcasm]

Does anyone else find it both facinating and scary as hell that anonymous is actually in on this and actually doing something? I have a fear that if they U.S. does end up succeeding in any of their goals regarding wikileaks (stopping publication of Cablegate docs, arrested Julian Assange, stopping his "poison capsule", etc.) that it will have truly and utterly changed the way we look at the world?

Honestly, the U.S. has been going downhill for years, but it is when this kind of stuff comes out into the open that you really need to start worrying.
In Roaches I Rust.
AlienAlias
Profile Joined June 2009
United States324 Posts
December 16 2010 22:44 GMT
#1095
I knew it would deteriorate into this the moment I saw the news discussing Assange and the forums talking about him. Everyone has a skeleton in their closet. And since people have inevitably come to conclude Assange equates to Wikileaks, any organization that dislikes Wikileaks will be working tirelessly to smear Assange, with any information, true or false. In the end, whether Assange raped a woman, or whether he's a creeper, or whether his family was in the occult is completely irrelevant to me. Assange is irrelevant to me. I support Wikileak's mission, and what the founder has done during his life should not affect this decision.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
December 17 2010 00:04 GMT
#1096
Who is this Assange? And why does he matter? There's more important things to look at.
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
December 17 2010 00:13 GMT
#1097
Is it just me or is this Pentagon papers form vietnam all over again. Except now, the Us Govt is proving that they will go the distance....very scary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

Anyone who thinks secret horrifying Us documents is something new needs to do their homework...
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
December 17 2010 01:24 GMT
#1098
On December 17 2010 07:26 JazusZerg wrote:
who the fuck cares about his personality? It sickens me with so much real information to discuss that anyone would spend even a second pondering the trivialities of this dude's love life. Just goes to show how successfully corporate media has numbed public interest in actual news, in favor of TMZ style bullshit.

EDIT, so now that it's apparent that American civil society is fucked, does anyone know a country I can move to with the following traits:

1. Mild winters (I live in SoCal right now, so use that as a model)
2. Pretty girls (see above)
3. Not turning into a fucking fascist state as we speak



How is it not news relevant?? This is the exactly the same ethically as what he is doing: Pulling shit out and showing it for the sake of showing it. Most of the leaks had no news value other than showing people you have access to classified state secrets.
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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 01:30:04
December 17 2010 01:27 GMT
#1099
These days, Plumbers don't even need lockpicks and bugs. A letter will suffice.

Hell, those idiots we call the electorate won't even get angry about it.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 04:57:44
December 17 2010 04:52 GMT
#1100
On December 17 2010 10:24 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 07:26 JazusZerg wrote:
who the fuck cares about his personality? It sickens me with so much real information to discuss that anyone would spend even a second pondering the trivialities of this dude's love life. Just goes to show how successfully corporate media has numbed public interest in actual news, in favor of TMZ style bullshit.

EDIT, so now that it's apparent that American civil society is fucked, does anyone know a country I can move to with the following traits:

1. Mild winters (I live in SoCal right now, so use that as a model)
2. Pretty girls (see above)
3. Not turning into a fucking fascist state as we speak



How is it not news relevant?? This is the exactly the same ethically as what he is doing: Pulling shit out and showing it for the sake of showing it. Most of the leaks had no news value other than showing people you have access to classified state secrets.


You're kidding right? The exact same thing has been done in the past and it was even celebrated in the US.

If you don't see the value in what's been revealed through the cables and war logs, it's because you're watching Fox News or some other garbage equivalent. The wikileaks cables are actually having a major impact around the world, but seeing as you qualify as an "average American" it's not surprising you're oblivious.

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The Croatian PM literally fled his own country because of corruption allegations revealed in the leaks.
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