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OriginalLogic
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iggs999
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iggs999
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On April 23 2004 11:45 iggs999 wrote: flamed who Logic  | ||
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AK-Nemesis
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Ack1027
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
The more individualistic your culture is (ahem USA = max ? ^^) the more likely you will plead for personal innocence. The more community related you culture, the more likely you will be to see the collective guilt of a person as part of it's identity within a group. I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this forum, backgrounds are just to diverse which makes it quite interesting, :D | ||
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Wildchild
United States17 Posts
On April 23 2004 11:13 SW)RIF wrote: how is that the same boat? racial profiling verse begrudged china and korea? Last i knew, Japan didnt patrol those areas. =P Btw i dislike the cop that truly hates black people and writes off a ticket just because they are black. Although i would agree that if you are a cop in LA, pulling over a suspicious Black guy may yield a more meaningful bust. Its a sad truth, and an even less of a fine line than hating a culture all together. I am saying the contempt in both situations holds true. It's hard to put trust into people that have committed atrocities against your own in the past. It still is a problem in most all countries today, but over time it levels off in my opinion. | ||
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iggs999
Russian Federation722 Posts
On April 23 2004 11:54 koehli wrote: We have had this discussion in Germany a lot. "Collective guilt" vs "Personal Innocence". In how far can you be responsible for the deeds of your parents? Can you inherit guilt? The more individualistic your culture is (ahem USA = max ? ^^) the more likely you will plead for personal innocence. The more community related you culture, the more likely you will be to see the collective guilt of a person as part of it's identity within a group. I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this forum, backgrounds are just to diverse which makes it quite interesting, :D very good post i agree | ||
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threshy
Qatar550 Posts
Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this? Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears? Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant? Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum. Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals. | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
I've seen many, many pictures and have been told many gruesome stories about the Japanese, through first-hand experiences, from books, and from Japanese themselves. I have to say it's some of the most brutal and heartless things I've ever seen done to another human being. With that said, it is also no secret that the Japanese are extremely stuck on honor and pride, so it isn't surprising at all that the Japanese are reluctant to own up to or apologize for many of their actions. It would horribly disgrace them, and the Japanese do not disgrace themselves. Although I have no problem with the Japanese (obviously, as I've studied so much about them), I can completely see where much of the Chinese and Korean hatred comes from. Although yes they should probably be a little more forgiving, they certainly have reason to be a little wary of the Japanese. It's not something many non-asian cultures can understand very easily. What the Japanese are like and have done is something Americans and Europeans just aren't exposed to much and don't have much experience with. Yes, many of the atrocities were from another generation, but it's more than just the atrocities that create the hatred: it's how the Japanese are, the Japanese way of doing things. My sensei was born briefly after World War II, and it's true that the Japanese have tried to hide a lot of their crimes. But there are many of them that are aware of the crimes and don't approve of them. Just remember that... they are human. Even though it is against their nature to disgrace themselves, they are human and some do have regret for their sins. For those of you who do hold them in contempt, just try not to hold too much against the Japanese. Whether you have all the reason in the world to hate them or not, people do change over time, even a culture of people. And even before that, just remember that not everyone gets to have a say in what their country is responsible for. | ||
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iggs999
Russian Federation722 Posts
On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote: How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale? Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this? Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears? Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant? Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum. Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals. Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this? um, because they were the ones who experienced and had stories passed down whereas everyone else read it in their history book  wtfHow can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale? how can anyone justify genocide against a people who havent been reconciled? Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears? because all it takes for those individuals is to appologize for actions which they did not commit, as an result this puts no blame on them directly and shouldnt be that hard to do yes? "Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? " once again, all it takes is an apology, if you cannot admit an apology you deserve to discriminated against regardless of whether it was you who did it or your parents, you are indirectly related, and ALL IT TAKES IS AN APOLOGY WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ASDJKL;AFDLFJK | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote: How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale? Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this? Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears? Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant? Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum. Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals. So...when are those essay questions due? ANIMAL. | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote: How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale? Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this? Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears? Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant? Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum. Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals. Your country should get invaded. All the women raped. All male babies or children killed. All males executed. All your history(objects,books,etc) destroyed. After all that, that country that invaded you should forget about the past and rewrite all their history books so nobody can give a shit. Is it ok for you? | ||
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iggs999
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