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OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
April 23 2004 02:42 GMT
#161
Just stop judging every Japanese person for the actions of a few.

Thanks.
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake.
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 02:43 GMT
#162
lol you're a moron. by your pacifistic and impersonal way of judging people, violence would be rampant and injustice would go unpunished.
hi
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 02:44 GMT
#163
OMG! I almost flamed you..for God sake.
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 02:45 GMT
#164
flamed who
hi
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 02:45 GMT
#165
On April 23 2004 11:45 iggs999 wrote:
flamed who

Logic
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 02:45 GMT
#166
i guess we need a credible japanese here to tell us what they actually learned and heard in japan...
Nemesis has left the building~
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 02:47 GMT
#167
No japanese in tl.net I guess.
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 02:48 GMT
#168
hence this is getting no where...
Nemesis has left the building~
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
April 23 2004 02:48 GMT
#169
See? Everywhere I go I can never get a Japanese to come out. This is why I want a Japanese friend. And so I can practice my Japanese speech ^^
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 02:51 GMT
#170
Get a japanese girlfriend and learn japanese -_-;
koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
April 23 2004 02:54 GMT
#171
We have had this discussion in Germany a lot. "Collective guilt" vs "Personal Innocence". In how far can you be responsible for the deeds of your parents? Can you inherit guilt?

The more individualistic your culture is (ahem USA = max ? ^^) the more likely you will plead for personal innocence. The more community related you culture, the more likely you will be to see the collective guilt of a person as part of it's identity within a group.

I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this forum, backgrounds are just to diverse which makes it quite interesting, :D
You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
Wildchild
Profile Joined April 2004
United States17 Posts
April 23 2004 02:55 GMT
#172
On April 23 2004 11:13 SW)RIF wrote:
how is that the same boat? racial profiling verse begrudged china and korea? Last i knew, Japan didnt patrol those areas. =P

Btw i dislike the cop that truly hates black people and writes off a ticket just because they are black. Although i would agree that if you are a cop in LA, pulling over a suspicious Black guy may yield a more meaningful bust. Its a sad truth, and an even less of a fine line than hating a culture all together.


I am saying the contempt in both situations holds true. It's hard to put trust into people that have committed atrocities against your own in the past. It still is a problem in most all countries today, but over time it levels off in my opinion.
Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. - Winston Churchill
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 02:58 GMT
#173
On April 23 2004 11:54 koehli wrote:
We have had this discussion in Germany a lot. "Collective guilt" vs "Personal Innocence". In how far can you be responsible for the deeds of your parents? Can you inherit guilt?

The more individualistic your culture is (ahem USA = max ? ^^) the more likely you will plead for personal innocence. The more community related you culture, the more likely you will be to see the collective guilt of a person as part of it's identity within a group.

I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this forum, backgrounds are just to diverse which makes it quite interesting, :D


very good post i agree
hi
threshy
Profile Joined March 2003
Qatar550 Posts
April 23 2004 02:58 GMT
#174
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.
Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
April 23 2004 03:00 GMT
#175
First off, I haven't read more than the first, 8th, and 9th pages of this thread. Anyway, I'm not Japanese, but I have studied the culture and language for quite some time now (and not by means of anime or any of the stuff) so I'm well aware of their actions and what kind of people they are. And... while I'm usually pretty pacifistic and think people should be forgiven for their crimes, the Japanese did some very, very horrible things, and I can sympathize in every way for the Koreans and Chinese that hate them.

I've seen many, many pictures and have been told many gruesome stories about the Japanese, through first-hand experiences, from books, and from Japanese themselves. I have to say it's some of the most brutal and heartless things I've ever seen done to another human being.

With that said, it is also no secret that the Japanese are extremely stuck on honor and pride, so it isn't surprising at all that the Japanese are reluctant to own up to or apologize for many of their actions. It would horribly disgrace them, and the Japanese do not disgrace themselves.

Although I have no problem with the Japanese (obviously, as I've studied so much about them), I can completely see where much of the Chinese and Korean hatred comes from. Although yes they should probably be a little more forgiving, they certainly have reason to be a little wary of the Japanese. It's not something many non-asian cultures can understand very easily. What the Japanese are like and have done is something Americans and Europeans just aren't exposed to much and don't have much experience with. Yes, many of the atrocities were from another generation, but it's more than just the atrocities that create the hatred: it's how the Japanese are, the Japanese way of doing things.

My sensei was born briefly after World War II, and it's true that the Japanese have tried to hide a lot of their crimes. But there are many of them that are aware of the crimes and don't approve of them. Just remember that... they are human. Even though it is against their nature to disgrace themselves, they are human and some do have regret for their sins.

For those of you who do hold them in contempt, just try not to hold too much against the Japanese. Whether you have all the reason in the world to hate them or not, people do change over time, even a culture of people. And even before that, just remember that not everyone gets to have a say in what their country is responsible for.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 03:08 GMT
#176
On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote:
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.


Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

um, because they were the ones who experienced and had stories passed down whereas everyone else read it in their history book wtf

How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

how can anyone justify genocide against a people who havent been reconciled?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

because all it takes for those individuals is to appologize for actions which they did not commit, as an result this puts no blame on them directly and shouldnt be that hard to do yes?

"Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? "

once again, all it takes is an apology, if you cannot admit an apology you deserve to discriminated against regardless of whether it was you who did it or your parents, you are indirectly related, and ALL IT TAKES IS AN APOLOGY WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ASDJKL;AFDLFJK
hi
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 03:10 GMT
#177
On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote:
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.

So...when are those essay questions due? ANIMAL.
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 03:14 GMT
#178
On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote:
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.

Your country should get invaded. All the women raped. All male babies or children killed. All males executed. All your history(objects,books,etc) destroyed. After all that, that country that invaded you should forget about the past and rewrite all their history books so nobody can give a shit. Is it ok for you?
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 03:20 GMT
#179
of course it is freeze! who cares, it didnt happen to you lozlozlo

hi
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 03:21 GMT
#180
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