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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 06:01 GMT
#201
Look at the end of the second and whole 3rd line before giving a sarcastic post.
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 06:18 GMT
#202
ah, so much hate!
Nemesis has left the building~
OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
April 23 2004 06:20 GMT
#203
On April 23 2004 14:39 DV8 wrote:
I thought you were christian or is that just a selective thing? I think who should be allowed to live is not for you to decide I for one agree with original logic in that hate breeds hate and the way to peace is love my friend. Remember if everyone followed the philosophy of love your enemy than there would be no enemies.


That's Obsolete you're thinking of That's not me
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake.
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
April 23 2004 06:21 GMT
#204
On April 23 2004 15:20 OriginalLogic wrote:
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On April 23 2004 14:39 DV8 wrote:
I thought you were christian or is that just a selective thing? I think who should be allowed to live is not for you to decide I for one agree with original logic in that hate breeds hate and the way to peace is love my friend. Remember if everyone followed the philosophy of love your enemy than there would be no enemies.


That's Obsolete you're thinking of That's not me
No I ment iggs
VdP]TwistedEcho
Profile Joined February 2004
United Kingdom847 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 06:27:29
April 23 2004 06:26 GMT
#205
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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 06:28 GMT
#206
OKOKOKK..let's finish this thread +_+b...ima gonna play some games +_+;;;;; *Hack on
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 06:29 GMT
#207
In a near future...all asia will be united and everybody will live peacefully forever and ever
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
April 23 2004 06:49 GMT
#208
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we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 06:51 GMT
#209
the entrie Germany has said sorry for what it has done. But Japan has not said a single word about it.
So it is normal for you to forgive Germany. ANd it is common as well for me to respect Germany. I can believe that Germany will not launch another war, but Japan may

On April 23 2004 15:26 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
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On April 23 2004 14:55 FreeZEternal wrote:
On April 23 2004 14:45 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
i only read about half of this, but we want peace and freez seem to talk a lot of crap :p I mean sure, the Japs did lots of bad things during the war, but so did the koreans, and the chinese, but wait, it seems we can ignore that fact as the japs are all evil and should die!!

I mean, at least think about it before posting :/ And your main argument seems to stem from their history books being wrong, and not saying sorry, well im fairly sure that almost all countries will have different accounts of the same historical events, big deal.

It would be much more mature to forgive japan, seeing as these events happened at least 50 years ago, and see that it isn't the same japan. I hold people with this 'omg look at the terrible things they did in the past, i hate that country' mentality to be fairly immature, on par with people who still blame germany today for WW2.

PLz, if you don't know anything about this, don't post comments that do not make sense. You country have never been in this situation. Has germany tried to change history over what happened in ww2 in Britain? NO? Also, this is the difference of our cultures. You have been influenced by the media over there, so I did over here. This is the opinion of the majority in korea. This is the difference between eu and asia.We look things at a different angle. SO stop saying this is crap and that is crap. I think you should think about what you have said.


my point is that all countries do 'bad' things to over countries, holding this against them 60 years on solves nothing. So what if their government doesn't report the history correctly, that means you should hate the whole country? Its nothing to do with how you were brought up, the media blah blah blah, its your own personally decision. If you wish to hold this against japan, then fine, but its fairly childish. My grandad was in the holocaust, and went through some pretty bad things. Therefore i should blame the current germany? Of course not.

edited cause i cant spell
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 06:53 GMT
#210
What you have said is quite correct and logical, I admire your words!

On April 23 2004 12:44 Toff wrote:
In this discussion and related once, there is one thing that strikes me. Americans would maybe be better equiped to understand others if they had someone invade their country. Americans know war (WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, etc), but they have never been invaded and had their woman raped.

If Germany to this day hadn't really owned up to what they did, and tried to take holocaust out of their history books. Picture germany celebrating Goebbels, Goring, Himmler, etc as national heroes.... I can tell you similar feelings would exist in europe. Germany has taken responsibility though, so these anti-german sentiment doesn't exist. Although my grandparents who lived during the german occupation still haven't forgot, even if Norway were treated very nice compared to other nations. Still, when I rooted for Germany vs France in the 1986 world cup semifinal my grandfather wasn't very pleased....

But since germany owned up, my generation doesn't have anything against germans or germany.

Wether or not Japan is removing history from their books, and celebrates war criminals like the Chinese/Koreans say I have no idea. But if the do, I have no problem seing where they are coming from.
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 07:00 GMT
#211
Thanks very much for your external post. Anyway, I also regard the Japanese who are fully aware of what Japan did in ww2 as sincere friend!

On April 23 2004 12:00 Orlandu wrote:
First off, I haven't read more than the first, 8th, and 9th pages of this thread. Anyway, I'm not Japanese, but I have studied the culture and language for quite some time now (and not by means of anime or any of the stuff) so I'm well aware of their actions and what kind of people they are. And... while I'm usually pretty pacifistic and think people should be forgiven for their crimes, the Japanese did some very, very horrible things, and I can sympathize in every way for the Koreans and Chinese that hate them.

I've seen many, many pictures and have been told many gruesome stories about the Japanese, through first-hand experiences, from books, and from Japanese themselves. I have to say it's some of the most brutal and heartless things I've ever seen done to another human being.

With that said, it is also no secret that the Japanese are extremely stuck on honor and pride, so it isn't surprising at all that the Japanese are reluctant to own up to or apologize for many of their actions. It would horribly disgrace them, and the Japanese do not disgrace themselves.

Although I have no problem with the Japanese (obviously, as I've studied so much about them), I can completely see where much of the Chinese and Korean hatred comes from. Although yes they should probably be a little more forgiving, they certainly have reason to be a little wary of the Japanese. It's not something many non-asian cultures can understand very easily. What the Japanese are like and have done is something Americans and Europeans just aren't exposed to much and don't have much experience with. Yes, many of the atrocities were from another generation, but it's more than just the atrocities that create the hatred: it's how the Japanese are, the Japanese way of doing things.

My sensei was born briefly after World War II, and it's true that the Japanese have tried to hide a lot of their crimes. But there are many of them that are aware of the crimes and don't approve of them. Just remember that... they are human. Even though it is against their nature to disgrace themselves, they are human and some do have regret for their sins.

For those of you who do hold them in contempt, just try not to hold too much against the Japanese. Whether you have all the reason in the world to hate them or not, people do change over time, even a culture of people. And even before that, just remember that not everyone gets to have a say in what their country is responsible for.
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 07:03 GMT
#212
Yeah, I can accept your oppinion!

On April 23 2004 08:41 AgonyRush wrote:
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On April 23 2004 08:35 longer_23 wrote:
That's right but the sad fact is most young kids in china today still buy into Japanese pop culture. coz we dont have a thriving pop culture of our own.
On April 23 2004 08:30 we want peace wrote:
It's your right! But if you ask some one in a city of China, what's the opinion of Japan they have. I'm sure most of them will show a negative attitude!


On April 23 2004 08:27 AgonyRush wrote:
I really hope to see opinions of other asian people. Because this two just scare me.


Oh i So do hope that all of you will follow their example and be more tolerant. So one day hopefully you all will be one big happy asian family!^^
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 07:06 GMT
#213
Thank you very much my Russian friend!

On April 23 2004 11:24 iggs999 wrote:
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On April 23 2004 11:19 OriginalLogic wrote:
Ok, big post. Like I said before, and as Agony has been continuing, your hatred for the Japanese is, most likely, based on false findings and information.

It's much like racial bigotry. Those educated in a society see past these kinds of things and accept people for who they are, not where they come from or what they look like. When you kids grow up, you'll figure this out. Although...some kids never grow up.

I don't care if you say: "You will never understand the Korean issues" because, guess what, that's bullshit. I can see from all the things that you type that you make blatantly incorrect assumptions from things you hear or read in your own media. Find me a Japanese historical textbook, used in Japanese schools, that completely ignores the Nanjing China incident. You won't find one. That happened in the eighties IN CHINA, when Japanese politicians controlled things. It's not happening today.

As an American, I'm told constantly that I "don't know what I'm talking about" and am "uneducated" simply because I'm an American. I understand where this stereotype comes from...there are a lot of stupid people in America that have internet access. So, this gives me the unique perspective to compare the stereotypical American forum posts, that every foreigner loves to hate, with the recent posts that you have included here, "we want peace." Your posts have shown me that you have not actually researched the subject you're trying to argue, nor do you have any real factual information to back up your argument.

Key Point: Don't make arguments based on "how you feel." You DO NOT have the right to infringe upon others because you feel that the Japanese owe you an apology. Hell, my father was killed by a police car that forgot to turn on his siren and went blaring through an intersection, but I'm not even going to get an apology for something that personal. You don't need one for war attrocities that happened to people 67 years ago. They lost the war and had the shit kicked out of them and are embarassed for what they've done. Not to mention, not very much was even known about Unit 731 (responsible for Nanjing) until the 1970's. The politicians of the era following the many discoveries involving 731 are those that attempted to change texts and alter history.

Finally, the mentality of the Japanese during this era was one that, similar to the ideas of some conquests during the European medeival era, was one of spreading their respective gene pool into other areas of the world. You need to keep in mind that the leaders responsible for these ideas that lead to attrocities were KILLED for their crimes. I understand that no real apology was given by the Japanese government for Nanjing, but those war crimes were a response to similar occurences to Japanese people living in China pre-WW2 (i.e. Japanese were raped/killed by Chinese). That doesn't make it right, but you need to just end the judgment and just drop the situation or it will never go away. You're just beating a dead horse.

And, "we want peace," don't bother responding to my post. You don't have a firm enough grasp on English to understand what I'm typing, as is apparent in your previous posts, nor do you have any actual idea of how to form a convincing/proper argument. Hint: Peace does not include retaliation of any kind towards another country, simply because a radical, that happens to be of Japanese decent, bombed people in your country. That's the most illogical contradiction I have ever read.

I'll probably think of more things...you Chinese/Korean haters can post more stuff and I might respond, but you'll probably just spew more unjustified forms of hatred/bigotry towards the Japanese because of your uneducated assumptions. But..eh, I'll probably still reply to your jabber.



people like you really dont deserve to live. i can openly say that.
it would be interesting how your perspective would change if your mother or grandmother had been raped and 99% of your family was killed off. "oh its cool dude, i cant go on living in resentment JUST CUZ MY FAMILY WAS SLAUGHTERED"
dont insult we want peace's english, he actually has surprisingly GOOD english, gj peace. he has proven to be a very courteous logical and unrash forumer unlike yourself who has only contributed worthless crap and ignorant opinions. go take your life


STFU
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 07:08 GMT
#214
globalization will solve it all!! or at least i hope...
Nemesis has left the building~
OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
April 23 2004 07:08 GMT
#215
lol...over-use of the quote function
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 07:09:35
April 23 2004 07:08 GMT
#216
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we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 07:11 GMT
#217
I have made it quite clear that thos Japanese who are fully aware of the criminals Japan has done in the past is also the trustful friend of mine personally.

Why do I need hatred? What I need is a fair and impartial generalization of ww2 by the Japanese gov. I said many times that the Chinese gov exempted all the war compensation from Japan. ANd we are depending on our own efforts to construct our great country. And we strongly need a peaceful envir.But the JApanese government's attitude to ww2 makes me worry that war launched by them will break out once again

On April 23 2004 11:42 OriginalLogic wrote:
Just stop judging every Japanese person for the actions of a few.

Thanks.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
April 23 2004 07:12 GMT
#218
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we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 07:13 GMT
#219
You are quite right!

We need apology and dignity! That's enough for us to make friends with the Japanese.

On April 23 2004 12:08 iggs999 wrote:
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On April 23 2004 11:58 threshy wrote:
How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

Why is every evil ever committed by China/Korea/Name Your Country suddenly no longer relevant?

Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? The issue of the textbooks is a minor one--everyone knows what the Japanese did. The real issue, the real danger, is the hatred people like "we want peace" are showing here. What kind of peace incorporates vengeance? You act as though you would lose your enmity towards the Japanese via a single feeble apology and some revisions of their textbooks. I call 100% bullshit on you, because your condemnations of the Japanese clearly run thicker than that, judging from the wide range of passionately employed racial slurs being bandied about right here on this forum.

Never thought I'd agree with one of these pompous O-Logic pricks, but this one happens to be dead right. Take a look at yourselves, you animals.


Why would anyone assume that asian people are inherently more informed about this?

um, because they were the ones who experienced and had stories passed down whereas everyone else read it in their history book wtf

How can anyone ever justify bigotry on that scale?

how can anyone justify genocide against a people who havent been reconciled?

Why are individuals responsible for the confused actions of their forebears?

because all it takes for those individuals is to appologize for actions which they did not commit, as an result this puts no blame on them directly and shouldnt be that hard to do yes?

"Ask yourselves, you agitators, what good can possibly come of holding grudges against people for things that were and are completely out of their control? "

once again, all it takes is an apology, if you cannot admit an apology you deserve to discriminated against regardless of whether it was you who did it or your parents, you are indirectly related, and ALL IT TAKES IS AN APOLOGY WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ASDJKL;AFDLFJK
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
April 23 2004 07:20 GMT
#220
On April 23 2004 16:12 dronebabo wrote:
fine.

i want an apology for you chinese helping north koreans in the korean war. maybe we would have a unified nation right now if you people did not butt in.

are you happy now?


You can throw in returning tibet back to tibetans as well. Hypocrisy is a bitch.
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