Japanese rightist attacked China's embassy - Page 8

On April 23 2004 11:19 OriginalLogic wrote:
Ok, big post. Like I said before, and as Agony has been continuing, your hatred for the Japanese is, most likely, based on false findings and information.

It's much like racial bigotry. Those educated in a society see past these kinds of things and accept people for who they are, not where they come from or what they look like. When you kids grow up, you'll figure this out. Although...some kids never grow up.

I don't care if you say: "You will never understand the Korean issues" because, guess what, that's bullshit. I can see from all the things that you type that you make blatantly incorrect assumptions from things you hear or read in your own media. Find me a Japanese historical textbook, used in Japanese schools, that completely ignores the Nanjing China incident. You won't find one. That happened in the eighties IN CHINA, when Japanese politicians controlled things. It's not happening today.

As an American, I'm told constantly that I "don't know what I'm talking about" and am "uneducated" simply because I'm an American. I understand where this stereotype comes from...there are a lot of stupid people in America that have internet access. So, this gives me the unique perspective to compare the stereotypical American forum posts, that every foreigner loves to hate, with the recent posts that you have included here, "we want peace." Your posts have shown me that you have not actually researched the subject you're trying to argue, nor do you have any real factual information to back up your argument.

Key Point: Don't make arguments based on "how you feel." You DO NOT have the right to infringe upon others because you feel that the Japanese owe you an apology. Hell, my father was killed by a police car that forgot to turn on his siren and went blaring through an intersection, but I'm not even going to get an apology for something that personal. You don't need one for war attrocities that happened to people 67 years ago. They lost the war and had the shit kicked out of them and are embarassed for what they've done. Not to mention, not very much was even known about Unit 731 (responsible for Nanjing) until the 1970's. The politicians of the era following the many discoveries involving 731 are those that attempted to change texts and alter history.

Finally, the mentality of the Japanese during this era was one that, similar to the ideas of some conquests during the European medeival era, was one of spreading their respective gene pool into other areas of the world. You need to keep in mind that the leaders responsible for these ideas that lead to attrocities were KILLED for their crimes. I understand that no real apology was given by the Japanese government for Nanjing, but those war crimes were a response to similar occurences to Japanese people living in China pre-WW2 (i.e. Japanese were raped/killed by Chinese). That doesn't make it right, but you need to just end the judgment and just drop the situation or it will never go away. You're just beating a dead horse.

And, "we want peace," don't bother responding to my post. You don't have a firm enough grasp on English to understand what I'm typing, as is apparent in your previous posts, nor do you have any actual idea of how to form a convincing/proper argument. Hint: Peace does not include retaliation of any kind towards another country, simply because a radical, that happens to be of Japanese decent, bombed people in your country. That's the most illogical contradiction I have ever read.

I'll probably think of more things...you Chinese/Korean haters can post more stuff and I might respond, but you'll probably just spew more unjustified forms of hatred/bigotry towards the Japanese because of your uneducated assumptions. But..eh, I'll probably still reply to your jabber.

On April 23 2004 11:19 OriginalLogic wrote:
Ok, big post. Like I said before, and as Agony has been continuing, your hatred for the Japanese is, most likely, based on false findings and information.

It's much like racial bigotry. Those educated in a society see past these kinds of things and accept people for who they are, not where they come from or what they look like. When you kids grow up, you'll figure this out. Although...some kids never grow up.

I don't care if you say: "You will never understand the Korean issues" because, guess what, that's bullshit. I can see from all the things that you type that you make blatantly incorrect assumptions from things you hear or read in your own media. Find me a Japanese historical textbook, used in Japanese schools, that completely ignores the Nanjing China incident. You won't find one. That happened in the eighties IN CHINA, when Japanese politicians controlled things. It's not happening today.

As an American, I'm told constantly that I "don't know what I'm talking about" and am "uneducated" simply because I'm an American. I understand where this stereotype comes from...there are a lot of stupid people in America that have internet access. So, this gives me the unique perspective to compare the stereotypical American forum posts, that every foreigner loves to hate, with the recent posts that you have included here, "we want peace." Your posts have shown me that you have not actually researched the subject you're trying to argue, nor do you have any real factual information to back up your argument.

Key Point: Don't make arguments based on "how you feel." You DO NOT have the right to infringe upon others because you feel that the Japanese owe you an apology. Hell, my father was killed by a police car that forgot to turn on his siren and went blaring through an intersection, but I'm not even going to get an apology for something that personal. You don't need one for war attrocities that happened to people 67 years ago. They lost the war and had the shit kicked out of them and are embarassed for what they've done. Not to mention, not very much was even known about Unit 731 (responsible for Nanjing) until the 1970's. The politicians of the era following the many discoveries involving 731 are those that attempted to change texts and alter history.

Finally, the mentality of the Japanese during this era was one that, similar to the ideas of some conquests during the European medeival era, was one of spreading their respective gene pool into other areas of the world. You need to keep in mind that the leaders responsible for these ideas that lead to attrocities were KILLED for their crimes. I understand that no real apology was given by the Japanese government for Nanjing, but those war crimes were a response to similar occurences to Japanese people living in China pre-WW2 (i.e. Japanese were raped/killed by Chinese). That doesn't make it right, but you need to just end the judgment and just drop the situation or it will never go away. You're just beating a dead horse.

And, "we want peace," don't bother responding to my post. You don't have a firm enough grasp on English to understand what I'm typing, as is apparent in your previous posts, nor do you have any actual idea of how to form a convincing/proper argument. Hint: Peace does not include retaliation of any kind towards another country, simply because a radical, that happens to be of Japanese decent, bombed people in your country. That's the most illogical contradiction I have ever read.

I'll probably think of more things...you Chinese/Korean haters can post more stuff and I might respond, but you'll probably just spew more unjustified forms of hatred/bigotry towards the Japanese because of your uneducated assumptions. But..eh, I'll probably still reply to your jabber.

On April 23 2004 11:35 OriginalLogic wrote:
Wow...you people seriously don't know how to read or form opinions. You just take your parents assumptions and opinions and use them as your own.

Go read my posts again. I said nothing about these things being ok. I even said that the Japanese government SHOULD issue an apology, but you're treating every Japanese person like shit for things they didn't do. Grow up.