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AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 02:23 GMT
#141
i'm an asian, a taiwanese.
i'm just going to try to be as unbiased as possible in this matter.
generational grduges are indeed really bad.
but i think most of the younger generation of asian who are disliking japanese is mostly because how the japanese government not only ignore the destruction they caused in wwII in public, but also ignoring them on their textbooks. If their younger generation isn't going to even hear about the mistakes of history, how will they learn from it.
I personally dont agree to the whole issue of "my great great grandfather got owned by ur great great grandfather, so pay me now", but at least apologize to the comfort women who had to suffer during the best of their 20s. and mind you, many of them are still alive and crying on tv.
it's not about money, it's just about the dignity that some lost before and some unwilling to lose any now.
Nemesis has left the building~
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 02:24 GMT
#142
On April 23 2004 11:19 OriginalLogic wrote:
Ok, big post. Like I said before, and as Agony has been continuing, your hatred for the Japanese is, most likely, based on false findings and information.

It's much like racial bigotry. Those educated in a society see past these kinds of things and accept people for who they are, not where they come from or what they look like. When you kids grow up, you'll figure this out. Although...some kids never grow up.

I don't care if you say: "You will never understand the Korean issues" because, guess what, that's bullshit. I can see from all the things that you type that you make blatantly incorrect assumptions from things you hear or read in your own media. Find me a Japanese historical textbook, used in Japanese schools, that completely ignores the Nanjing China incident. You won't find one. That happened in the eighties IN CHINA, when Japanese politicians controlled things. It's not happening today.

As an American, I'm told constantly that I "don't know what I'm talking about" and am "uneducated" simply because I'm an American. I understand where this stereotype comes from...there are a lot of stupid people in America that have internet access. So, this gives me the unique perspective to compare the stereotypical American forum posts, that every foreigner loves to hate, with the recent posts that you have included here, "we want peace." Your posts have shown me that you have not actually researched the subject you're trying to argue, nor do you have any real factual information to back up your argument.

Key Point: Don't make arguments based on "how you feel." You DO NOT have the right to infringe upon others because you feel that the Japanese owe you an apology. Hell, my father was killed by a police car that forgot to turn on his siren and went blaring through an intersection, but I'm not even going to get an apology for something that personal. You don't need one for war attrocities that happened to people 67 years ago. They lost the war and had the shit kicked out of them and are embarassed for what they've done. Not to mention, not very much was even known about Unit 731 (responsible for Nanjing) until the 1970's. The politicians of the era following the many discoveries involving 731 are those that attempted to change texts and alter history.

Finally, the mentality of the Japanese during this era was one that, similar to the ideas of some conquests during the European medeival era, was one of spreading their respective gene pool into other areas of the world. You need to keep in mind that the leaders responsible for these ideas that lead to attrocities were KILLED for their crimes. I understand that no real apology was given by the Japanese government for Nanjing, but those war crimes were a response to similar occurences to Japanese people living in China pre-WW2 (i.e. Japanese were raped/killed by Chinese). That doesn't make it right, but you need to just end the judgment and just drop the situation or it will never go away. You're just beating a dead horse.

And, "we want peace," don't bother responding to my post. You don't have a firm enough grasp on English to understand what I'm typing, as is apparent in your previous posts, nor do you have any actual idea of how to form a convincing/proper argument. Hint: Peace does not include retaliation of any kind towards another country, simply because a radical, that happens to be of Japanese decent, bombed people in your country. That's the most illogical contradiction I have ever read.

I'll probably think of more things...you Chinese/Korean haters can post more stuff and I might respond, but you'll probably just spew more unjustified forms of hatred/bigotry towards the Japanese because of your uneducated assumptions. But..eh, I'll probably still reply to your jabber.



people like you really dont deserve to live. i can openly say that.
it would be interesting how your perspective would change if your mother or grandmother had been raped and 99% of your family was killed off. "oh its cool dude, i cant go on living in resentment JUST CUZ MY FAMILY WAS SLAUGHTERED"
dont insult we want peace's english, he actually has surprisingly GOOD english, gj peace. he has proven to be a very courteous logical and unrash forumer unlike yourself who has only contributed worthless crap and ignorant opinions. go take your life


STFU
hi
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 02:26:35
April 23 2004 02:25 GMT
#143
I think you are posting uneducated assumptions. I'm just sick of these interpretations by ppl who don't even understand these cultures.

On April 23 2004 11:19 OriginalLogic wrote:
Ok, big post. Like I said before, and as Agony has been continuing, your hatred for the Japanese is, most likely, based on false findings and information.

It's much like racial bigotry. Those educated in a society see past these kinds of things and accept people for who they are, not where they come from or what they look like. When you kids grow up, you'll figure this out. Although...some kids never grow up.

I don't care if you say: "You will never understand the Korean issues" because, guess what, that's bullshit. I can see from all the things that you type that you make blatantly incorrect assumptions from things you hear or read in your own media. Find me a Japanese historical textbook, used in Japanese schools, that completely ignores the Nanjing China incident. You won't find one. That happened in the eighties IN CHINA, when Japanese politicians controlled things. It's not happening today.

As an American, I'm told constantly that I "don't know what I'm talking about" and am "uneducated" simply because I'm an American. I understand where this stereotype comes from...there are a lot of stupid people in America that have internet access. So, this gives me the unique perspective to compare the stereotypical American forum posts, that every foreigner loves to hate, with the recent posts that you have included here, "we want peace." Your posts have shown me that you have not actually researched the subject you're trying to argue, nor do you have any real factual information to back up your argument.

Key Point: Don't make arguments based on "how you feel." You DO NOT have the right to infringe upon others because you feel that the Japanese owe you an apology. Hell, my father was killed by a police car that forgot to turn on his siren and went blaring through an intersection, but I'm not even going to get an apology for something that personal. You don't need one for war attrocities that happened to people 67 years ago. They lost the war and had the shit kicked out of them and are embarassed for what they've done. Not to mention, not very much was even known about Unit 731 (responsible for Nanjing) until the 1970's. The politicians of the era following the many discoveries involving 731 are those that attempted to change texts and alter history.

Finally, the mentality of the Japanese during this era was one that, similar to the ideas of some conquests during the European medeival era, was one of spreading their respective gene pool into other areas of the world. You need to keep in mind that the leaders responsible for these ideas that lead to attrocities were KILLED for their crimes. I understand that no real apology was given by the Japanese government for Nanjing, but those war crimes were a response to similar occurences to Japanese people living in China pre-WW2 (i.e. Japanese were raped/killed by Chinese). That doesn't make it right, but you need to just end the judgment and just drop the situation or it will never go away. You're just beating a dead horse.

And, "we want peace," don't bother responding to my post. You don't have a firm enough grasp on English to understand what I'm typing, as is apparent in your previous posts, nor do you have any actual idea of how to form a convincing/proper argument. Hint: Peace does not include retaliation of any kind towards another country, simply because a radical, that happens to be of Japanese decent, bombed people in your country. That's the most illogical contradiction I have ever read.

I'll probably think of more things...you Chinese/Korean haters can post more stuff and I might respond, but you'll probably just spew more unjustified forms of hatred/bigotry towards the Japanese because of your uneducated assumptions. But..eh, I'll probably still reply to your jabber.

OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
April 23 2004 02:25 GMT
#144
Go read my post and do some research about those textbooks.
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AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 02:27 GMT
#145
OriginalLogic, i didn't do a lot of research into this, but are you really sure that the japanese history books include sufficient descriptions of wwII? i admit that so far i have not actually seen one.
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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 02:28 GMT
#146
There was a huge protest in korea about those japapanese history books.
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 02:31 GMT
#147
i suppose the japanese government didnt' officially respond to that protest...
but enlighten me in this matter, has ANY japanese UNOFFICIAL organizations ever tried to contact or do...whatever to try to help things up?
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OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 02:33:59
April 23 2004 02:31 GMT
#148
I've lost people in my life because of stupidity, but I'm not sitting here crying about it. I know people that have been raped and, yes, it's very horrible, but these are things that happened because of a single individuals actions. The Japanese attrocities were very horrible also, but they were committed by people that were consumed by propaganda during WW2. They are, by no means, a good thing and the Japanese government should issue and apology, but they honestly don't have to. The main point is that YOU HATE JAPANESE PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEIR GOVERNMENT IS DOING. The people that you hate didn't do anything. If you want to direct hate at anyone, just direct it at their government, but you seem to think every Japanese person in the world owes you an apology.

Actually, I think all the Asians in the world owe me an apology because one of my friends relatives was raped by someone of asian decent. That makes sense...

Also, I wasn't making fun of his english. I was trying to say that he seems to go off on tangents, different from what the normal english posters were trying to say. He responds with unrelated sentences. He did it a couple times. I'm not making fun of him.

About those textbooks...they were textbooks IN CHINA. They were issued so that Chinese citizens would forget about the Nanjing incidents and all the WW2 stuff. It probably spread to somewhere in Japan itself, but that was all spurred on by specific individuals in the government that are no longer in power.
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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 23 2004 02:32 GMT
#149
Not that i have heard of.;;;
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 02:35:18
April 23 2004 02:32 GMT
#150
originallogic are you asian? were you there first hand when it happened? were you a child who was told these horrible attrocities first hand by a surviving grandmother or mother? were your forced to accept it under entirely different cultural standards? can you even relate to any asian cultural standards? if you answered no to all of the above, stop posting your unsensical opinion, because you are not asian, you were not there. no amount of research can compensate that and give you the ability to argue in favor of those who commited attrocities and didnt reconciliate.
hi
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 02:33 GMT
#151
i find it funny how one white american male thinks he's right arguing against infinite asain males who actually know their shit and hold a different sentiment
hi
FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
April 23 2004 02:34 GMT
#152
seriously the whole ___Logic clan should just stfu or be banned from posting
There can be only one
iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 02:35 GMT
#153
agreed
hi
OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
April 23 2004 02:35 GMT
#154
Wow...you people seriously don't know how to read or form opinions. You just take your parents assumptions and opinions and use them as your own.

Go read my posts again. I said nothing about these things being ok. I even said that the Japanese government SHOULD issue an apology, but you're treating every Japanese person like shit for things they didn't do. Grow up.
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OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
April 23 2004 02:37 GMT
#155
You inability to comprehend things should not result in my being banned...how is that logical?

I didn't even say anything that should be offensive to anyone. I took information from historical references.
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iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
April 23 2004 02:38 GMT
#156
but seriously originallogic all of your irrelevent notions aside, do you sincerely think you as a sole individual are right when there are countless, and i mean countless asians who are more informed than you, and were told of this first hand, experienced it, and hold a different sentiment. you think you are right and 100,000+(or however many share this sentiment) asians are wrong?
hi
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
April 23 2004 02:38 GMT
#157
now this is just getting no where.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
April 23 2004 02:39 GMT
#158
I'm Korean. And this is not going to affect my following statement:

Ever since I was young, my family, mostly my mother [ Because I grew up under her roof ] never really liked Japanese people, and on occasion cursed at them. She's mentioned things like ' If you ever marry a Japanese person... ' things like that. But then again she says that for any other culture. Old generation Koreans have this thing where they think their offspring should marry only other Koreans.

I've studied alot of Korean history because I've finished 8 grades of Korean School. It progresses alot faster than English grades of school because there is only 8. In those 8 years, I learned to read, write, and speak Korean. And I read alot of interesting history.

What the Japanese [ of that era ] did to my ancestors was the extremes of violation of basic human rights. I've never had any Japanese influence [ Person wise ] in my life. I know zero Japanese people.

But I love anime, and I love Jpop, also one of my goals is to learn to speak fluent Japanese before my highschool years are over. In addition, I really wish I had a Japanese friend.

I think Japan was a confused country back in the old generation and that the new generation doesn't really know about what their ancestors did to China and the whole of Korea. I know Japanese people don't look at a map of Korea and say, ' Wow my ancestors created North and South Korea '

I have nothing to do with it since I'm new generation Korean but I don't think I'd forgive what the Japanese did to my mother's parents. But Japan is a respectable nation not seeking regional domination, so I guess it's up to the individual to decide what they think of Japan.

iggs999
Profile Joined February 2004
Russian Federation722 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 02:42:10
April 23 2004 02:40 GMT
#159
On April 23 2004 11:35 OriginalLogic wrote:
Wow...you people seriously don't know how to read or form opinions. You just take your parents assumptions and opinions and use them as your own.

Go read my posts again. I said nothing about these things being ok. I even said that the Japanese government SHOULD issue an apology, but you're treating every Japanese person like shit for things they didn't do. Grow up.


ITS NOT THE POINT WHETHER THEY DID IT OR NOT. THE POINT IS THEY REFUSE TO CONCEDE THAT WHAT THEIR ANCESTORS DID DO, THEY WERE AT FAULT FOR. IF THEY SIMPLY DID THIS EVERYONE WOULD BE FORGIVEN AND WE COULD MOVE ON. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ?
hi
OriginalLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States85 Posts
April 23 2004 02:41 GMT
#160
The only thing you need to realize is that no matter how much you've heard of first hand accounts, it doesn't make your hatred for a whole people ok. Start judging people like adults, as individuals, rather than stereotyping and being a bigot towards all Japanese.
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