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China10252 Posts
On January 09 2010 19:08 FragKrag wrote: 8% is far too low for ATi imo Most of the market should actually be in Intel's hands with their integrated gpus. (I think) All victims of pre-build laptops/netbooks and PCs. edit: Well building your netbook and laptop.... eh | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9yO6e.jpg) And no, I don't know why I did this. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
Back in the beginning Nvidia was the best no question about it, if you were a serious gamer you owned an Nvidia card and that was it. Then ATI's 9xxx cards completely >>> Nvidia's Geforce FX series. Fast forward a bit and we have the Geforce 8 series blowing the HD2xxx series out of the water. HD3xxx vs Geforce 8/9 was pretty even imo. I bought a HD3850 over 8800GT or 9600GT for the better price/performance ratrio at the time. Now we have HD4xxx beating the Geforce 2xx series, this seems to be pretty normal imo, it's like how the metagame in Starcraft swings back and forth but ultimately the game is balanced  | ||
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XOR3000
Germany60 Posts
I agree that nVidia needs to get it's act together. But they still have enough time. | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
Bill307:to simplify a little, a wafer contains almost the same number of faulty chips regardless of their die size. This is why gpus are die harvested a lot, there are not many fully functional dies, but many partially. Defects are a lone transistor that doesn't work or an interconnect that is cut somewhere. If they don't compromise the whole chip you can work around defects and make yourself a lot of money. "Standard" CMOS will not scale beyond 22nm unless it is really necessary, such as there being a lack of breakthroughs in other fields. Silicon's days are numbered. Defect density will be higher, requiring smaller die sizes, as well as more die harvesting, and clock-speeds will be starting to decrease instead of increase. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
well as a manager u have to make decisions, like invest in a new way of manufacturing graphic cards. just imagine the 40nm technology yields graphic cards which are so much faster than anything ATI can produce with the 45nm technology. boom you gotta take risks. if james cameron would have said "oh fuck avatar gets too expensive, forget it" probably everyone would have agreed. now look at the success of the film. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
I'm perhaps a bit late to say this, but that graph just shows that Nvidia's stock price fell in the recession. Like everyone else's stock price. Compare and contrast ATI/AMD, (and you'll find a similar price slump circa January 2009 for almost everybody, except the oil companies). | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
great op, i am also a few years late on the topic and plan to buy a desktop pc in a year or so, good to know that i will buy an ATi card again. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1548 Posts
For my own experience, since nvidia release their riva tnt 2, ati was totally out, i had very bad experience with ati chipset since the radeon, opengl not supported while it's supposed to be, compatibility issues on unix plateform and the list goes on... nvidia chipset always provided to me good performance for a reasonable price. AMD ASUS NVIDIA is my personal combo  | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17248 Posts
Intel vs AMD = no big deal. For a couple last years processors didn't really get any faster (after the P4) because the materials used in their production process just won't allow that. That's why we have seen a dawn of dual-, quad- and more-cores. Still it doesn't make your computer all that much faster, just because software is not designed in the multi-core architecture in mind (having different cores perform different tasks simultaneously is not optimal, the goal here is to design software in the way that every single task is processed by ALL cores at the same time). nVidia vs ATI = no big deal either. ATI is trying to grab the market with their blazing fast cards that support stuff that's not out yet (which still gives nVidia time to counter them). Also you forget that there are people who don't give a shit about gcard supporting DX11 or not (OSX, Linux, Unix users). But all this aside, there's also another side to each of this companies, and that's support. I would never ever pick ATI card over nVidia one just for the sole fact that with nVidia I don't have to worry with compatibility issues most of the time (yes, I'm a Linux user now) and I am getting new, improved drivers released more frequently thus making my card work better for a longer period of time. For me it'll always be Intel + nVidia combo. Even if I have to overpay for it. Reliability >>> price. | ||
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Lyzon
United Kingdom440 Posts
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ChoboOv
Canada126 Posts
This is how the computer industry works one company gets ahead then the other company drops, this is how it should be it should never be one company at the top then there is no competition. Competition is always good for the consumer. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On January 09 2010 22:40 Manit0u wrote: 2 things to remember: Intel vs AMD = no big deal. For a couple last years processors didn't really get any faster (after the P4) because the materials used in their production process just won't allow that. That's why we have seen a dawn of dual-, quad- and more-cores. Still it doesn't make your computer all that much faster, just because software is not designed in the multi-core architecture in mind (having different cores perform different tasks simultaneously is not optimal, the goal here is to design software in the way that every single task is processed by ALL cores at the same time). nVidia vs ATI = no big deal either. ATI is trying to grab the market with their blazing fast cards that support stuff that's not out yet (which still gives nVidia time to counter them). Also you forget that there are people who don't give a shit about gcard supporting DX11 or not (OSX, Linux, Unix users). But all this aside, there's also another side to each of this companies, and that's support. I would never ever pick ATI card over nVidia one just for the sole fact that with nVidia I don't have to worry with compatibility issues most of the time (yes, I'm a Linux user now) and I am getting new, improved drivers released more frequently thus making my card work better for a longer period of time. For me it'll always be Intel + nVidia combo. Even if I have to overpay for it. Reliability >>> price. I don't use Linux myself, but hasn't the Linux driver support become much better since AMD bought ATi? At least that's what I was told by the people I know who use Linux. I can't judge how good it really is in Linux, but at the moment there is pretty much no good reason to buy nvidia cards. ATi is ahead everywhere, performance wise, price wise, heat wise, consumption wise. That being said I really hope nvidia's upcoming generation of GPUs performs well, because having two (or more preferably) strong competitors is much, much better from a consumer's perspective. I can't say that I'm really worried though. Regarding AMD vs Intel: for gaming Phenom II x4 are up there and much cheaper, in most other fields Intel is ahead though (especially in mobile CPUs). Intel market share is huge though, especially in prebuild computers (partially due to their market practice inthe past tho...), here's to hope AMD picks it up one day :< | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
this was a very informative post, and i can't believe i read through all lol | ||
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ToT)SiLeNcE(
Germany590 Posts
Best card I ever had (relatively speaking) | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On January 10 2010 00:10 Carnac wrote: I don't use Linux myself, but hasn't the Linux driver support become much better since AMD bought ATi? At least that's what I was told by the people I know who use Linux. nVidia is still a ways ahead of AMD in the Linux graphics driver department, but yes, they've improved a lot | ||
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