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Disregard
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:30 Disregard wrote: This honestly makes me wonder why dont I encourage myself to learn how to OC. I always thought it was very technical, maybe one day. "Technical" 1. go to BIOS 2. Raise multiplier. Alternatively, raise FSB. 3. If the computer fails to boot, increase voltages a little. If it still fails to boot, increase ram voltage. 4. Repeat 2 and 3 until you can't go any higher/are unable to boot. 5. ??? 6. PROFIT! | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:20 ghermination wrote: Actually, the physical limit our technology can reach is 12nm. Samsung has even demonstrated a transistor fabricated at the 22nm process. While i'm no physicist, at that size we run into a problem called quantum tunneling. Although i don't fully understand the process, you can look it up on wikipedia if you're actually interested. Well, that's what I get for referencing 4 year old info on current technology.  Quantum Tunnelling, for anyone who's wondering, is basically like... you know how sometimes Dragoons miss their target, even on level ground where they're supposed to have a 100% hit rate? Well similarly, at very small scales, particles can do things they're not supposed to have enough energy to do. If you've studied chemistry, you've probably learned about the "activation energy" needed to initiate a chemical reaction, with the corresponding energy graph that looks like a hill. Well, Quantum Tunneling also involves a hill-shaped energy graph, where a particle needs to have x amount of energy to "climb over the hill" and do something. But the particle can do that same thing even if it doesn't have enough energy, as if it "tunnels" through the hill instead of climbing over it. Hence the name. So what does this mean for sizes smaller than 12 nm? I don't know: someone else will have to look that up or explain it.  | ||
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FragKrag
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Jibba
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:36 Bill307 wrote: Well, that's what I get for referencing 4 year old info on current technology. Quantum Tunnelling, for anyone who's wondering, is basically like... you know how sometimes Dragoons miss their target, even on level ground where they're supposed to have a 100% hit rate? Well similarly, at very small scales, particles can do things they're not supposed to have enough energy to do. If you've studied chemistry, you've probably learned about the "activation energy" needed to initiate a chemical reaction, with the corresponding energy graph that looks like a hill. Well, Quantum Tunneling also involves a hill-shaped energy graph, where a particle needs to have x amount of energy to "climb over the hill" and do something. But the particle can do that same thing even if it doesn't have enough energy, as if it "tunnels" through the hill instead of climbing over it. Hence the name. So what does this mean for sizes smaller than 12 nm? I don't know: someone else will have to look that up or explain it. For sizes smaller than 12nm we'll need to invent a new process to bring us into the era of "nanoelectronics" (that is, electronics on the scale of <10nm). Currently submersion lithography can only do so much, and i think if we perfect it we may be able to break the 9nm but it would be really difficult and probably won't be realized until we've all got personal reobot sex slaves and space ships. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
E6420 2GB Muskin DDR2 800 4770 512MB MSI P6N (Forgot which version, but it only supports up to C2D I think). And the shitty PSU CoolerMaster ExtremePower 550 or 600W God the damn thing sucks, the fan makes a very loud grinding noise or something and well I dont even need so much power in the first place. I regret getting it a couple of years ago, and yet I still kept it for this long. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:40 Jibba wrote: The video card market is extremely volatile, these companies just need to have enough reserves to outlast their duds (GT200.) Look at all the switches that have taken place since the R300/GF4 days. Nvidia's had two bad series in a row but they just need one card like the 8800GT to turn it around again. I honestly regretted not waiting for the 8800GT or the 8800GTS 512MB instead of getting the 320MB G80. Oh well, it died on me few months ago. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:42 Disregard wrote: Maybe when I replace my parts, soon. E6420 2GB Muskin DDR2 800 4770 512MB MSI P6N (Forgot which version, but it only supports up to C2D I think). And the shitty PSU CoolerMaster ExtremePower 550 or 600W God the damn thing sucks, the fan makes a very loud grinding noise or something and well I dont even need so much power in the first place. I regret getting it a couple of years ago, and yet I still kept it for this long. Get a PII x2 550 BE, a cheap AM3 board, 4gb of ddr3 1333 and you're good to go. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:38 FragKrag wrote: I think it has something to do with the heat output of the chips and being unable to cool them effectively. That would confirm what I'd heard about going beyond 45 nm. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:48 Bill307 wrote: That would confirm what I'd heard about going beyond 45 nm. Fortunately this is wrong, with the use of heatpipe coolers and 120mm fans, even extremely overclocked chips run at most 55 degrees celsius. My i7 920 @ 4.1ghz on a CNPS10X EXTREME!!! (lol zalman) is currently running firefox and folding@home and running at a nice 48 degrees. | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
and @ bill, curiously enough there's some complex analysis stuff i read in a book a few years back that was saying stuff about quantum tunnelling..pretty interesting how it can cut a route like that. | ||
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Disregard
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 09 2010 18:53 Disregard wrote: I for-one always believed that anything 40ish Celsius* on idle is way too hot. The temps on my PC will get hotter when the new parts are installed, especially in the summer with stock coolers. 40 degrees is perfectly acceptable. What you need to worry about is load temps breaking 60. That will rape a processor in less than a year, whereas it's designed to operate constantly at temperatures higher than 40 degrees. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11540 Posts
not sure if what I said is right though | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 09 2010 19:00 FragKrag wrote: Doesn't the problem with smaller processes include the fact that the semiconductor will still conduct even if it's turned off or something? I remember reading something on how as the processes become smaller, the distance between transistors becomes smaller and then volt leakages occur. not sure if what I said is right though It doesn't seem to be a problem they've run into so far. Other than the aforementioned "Quantum tunneling" i'm fairly sure they've fixed problems like this. | ||
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haduken
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semantics
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Garnet
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FragKrag
United States11540 Posts
On January 09 2010 19:06 Garnet wrote: If ATI has 8% of the market, then where is the other 92% go to. 8% is far too low for ATi imo Most of the market should actually be in Intel's hands with their integrated gpus. (I think) | ||
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