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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
January 05 2010 08:32 GMT
#21
On January 05 2010 15:43 DM20 wrote:
Less computer talk more Metallica

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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 05 2010 08:35 GMT
#22
Is someone going to write in a blog about a professor accusing them of plagiarism a few weeks from now?
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
January 05 2010 15:14 GMT
#23
good read, thanks
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
January 05 2010 16:02 GMT
#24
On January 05 2010 15:43 DM20 wrote:
Less computer talk more Metallica

7Strife
Profile Joined December 2009
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:06:48
January 05 2010 18:58 GMT
#25
What are you; an Intel spokesman?

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965
Core Clock: 3.4GHz
Cores / Threads: 4 / 4
L3 Cache: 6MB
TDP: 140W
Price: $185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103692

Comparison:
http://www.techspot.com/review/233-intel-core-i5-661/page11.html
zeroimagination
Profile Joined August 2009
18 Posts
January 05 2010 19:09 GMT
#26
On January 06 2010 03:58 7Strife wrote:
What are you an Intel spokesman?

($100 cheaper than Intel's soon to be par competition.)
Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965
Core Clock: 3.4GHz
Cores / Threads: 4 / 4
L3 Cache: 6MB
TDP: 140W
Price: $185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103692

I am not an Intel spokesperson. It's a pretty well known fact that Intel is quite ahead in terms of performance and has very recently caught up with AMD in the price per performance category.

The i5 661 dual which runs at 3.33GHz comes unbearably close to the 965 BE in benchmarks, though the 965 BE does still come out ahead. However, take into account the i5-750 quad, which is simply faster than the 965 BE in multi-threaded applications for just about the same price.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:13:37
January 05 2010 19:12 GMT
#27
Intel is too expensive :p

Also seriously the i3 isn't THAT great. Especially for his price.
All his reviews are kinda mixed.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
n3m0
Profile Joined January 2007
Portugal247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:13:45
January 05 2010 19:13 GMT
#28
Metallica ftw!! :D

Crack of dawn all is gone except the will to be,
Now they see what will be blinded eyes to see


Best song ever from metallica x)
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Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
January 05 2010 19:13 GMT
#29
On January 05 2010 15:40 zeroimagination wrote:
stuff


you are completely biased.

a dual core with hypterthreading is not the same as a quadcore.

4 physical cores > 2 physical cores + 2 virtual cores.

hyperthreaded cores only have 10-30% performance of a physical core heck that's why games run faster on i7 920, if you disable hyperthreading.

and here's a dark age: origins screenshot with the on-die arrandale graphic
[image loading]



I 'm not an expert in writing papers but I can imagine that you should remain objective and neutral
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:20:48
January 05 2010 19:16 GMT
#30
On January 06 2010 04:09 zeroimagination wrote:
has very recently caught up with AMD in the price per performance category.

Not really man. The i5 might be competing with the Phenoms II x4 but the Athlons II x 2 / x3 / x4 aren't challenged by any proc made by Intel ( i3 is just way too expensive atm and dead and overpriced sockets don't count xD ).

The release of the i5 750 was a great blow for AMD but the i3 is meh.
Haven't read a lot about the new i5 yet to comment.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
zeroimagination
Profile Joined August 2009
18 Posts
January 05 2010 19:18 GMT
#31
I never said Hyper-Threading helped in games, though ironically it did in DA: Origins according to Anandtech. Also, the screen shot is done with Intel's IGP which no serious gamer would settle for either way.

4 physical cores at the moment is still holding strong in 3D rendering and video encoding, but Hyper-Threading provides a cheaper alternative for gamers who still want to be able to do those things, play games at high frames, and not spend an exorbitant amount of money.
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zeroimagination
Profile Joined August 2009
18 Posts
January 05 2010 19:21 GMT
#32
On January 06 2010 04:16 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:09 zeroimagination wrote:
has very recently caught up with AMD in the price per performance category.

Not really man. The i5 might be competing with the Phenoms II x4 but the Athlons II x 2 / x3 / x4 aren't challenged by any proc made by Intel ( i3 is just way too expensive atm and dead and overpriced sockets don't count xD ).

The release of the i5 was a great blow for AMD but the i3 is meh.

If you take a look at benchmarks, you'll see that the i5 is quite competent when compared to lower end quads in multi-threaded applications. The i3 is practically the same except with no turbo and a slight clock decrease. i3's also start at $113 which is not a very large price to pay for what you are getting - q6600-like rendering and encoding coupled with e8500-like gaming.
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Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
January 05 2010 19:23 GMT
#33
On January 06 2010 04:18 zeroimagination wrote:
I never said Hyper-Threading helped in games, though ironically it did in DA: Origins according to Anandtech. Also, the screen shot is done with Intel's IGP which no serious gamer would settle for either way.

4 physical cores at the moment is still holding strong in 3D rendering and video encoding, but Hyper-Threading provides a cheaper alternative for gamers who still want to be able to do those things, play games at high frames, and not spend an exorbitant amount of money.


except that you can get the athlon 620 quadcore for 100$
zeroimagination
Profile Joined August 2009
18 Posts
January 05 2010 19:28 GMT
#34
On January 06 2010 04:23 Pakje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:18 zeroimagination wrote:
I never said Hyper-Threading helped in games, though ironically it did in DA: Origins according to Anandtech. Also, the screen shot is done with Intel's IGP which no serious gamer would settle for either way.

4 physical cores at the moment is still holding strong in 3D rendering and video encoding, but Hyper-Threading provides a cheaper alternative for gamers who still want to be able to do those things, play games at high frames, and not spend an exorbitant amount of money.


except that you can get the athlon 620 quadcore for 100$

I mentioned specifically in my OP that the Athlon 620 is still a good choice. Let's face it though, the 620 is not nearly in the same league in terms of gaming. Most people would spend the extra $13 for the possibility to hit 4GHz, as well.
home of vaporware
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:38:58
January 05 2010 19:30 GMT
#35
On January 06 2010 04:21 zeroimagination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:16 Boblion wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:09 zeroimagination wrote:
has very recently caught up with AMD in the price per performance category.

Not really man. The i5 might be competing with the Phenoms II x4 but the Athlons II x 2 / x3 / x4 aren't challenged by any proc made by Intel ( i3 is just way too expensive atm and dead and overpriced sockets don't count xD ).

The release of the i5 was a great blow for AMD but the i3 is meh.

If you take a look at benchmarks, you'll see that the i5 is quite competent when compared to lower end quads in multi-threaded applications. The i3 is practically the same except with no turbo and a slight clock decrease. i3's also start at $113 which is not a very large price to pay for what you are getting - q6600-like rendering and encoding coupled with e8500-like gaming.

Some people still prefer cheaper Athlons II :p

The main problem of the i3 is that he is more competing with the Phenom and i5 than with the Athlons II lol

Also i think it is quite retarded to say that AMD is doomed and dead when:

1- they will release a new architecture next year and are still competitive on the bottom of the CPU market.
2- Intel crooks had to give them billions because of anti competitive practices.
3- the merging with ATI is now a success and the performances on the GPU market are quite good.

Actually i would say that AMD is in a way better situation than one year ago.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
zeroimagination
Profile Joined August 2009
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:41:09
January 05 2010 19:38 GMT
#36
On January 06 2010 04:30 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:21 zeroimagination wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:16 Boblion wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:09 zeroimagination wrote:
has very recently caught up with AMD in the price per performance category.

Not really man. The i5 might be competing with the Phenoms II x4 but the Athlons II x 2 / x3 / x4 aren't challenged by any proc made by Intel ( i3 is just way too expensive atm and dead and overpriced sockets don't count xD ).

The release of the i5 was a great blow for AMD but the i3 is meh.

If you take a look at benchmarks, you'll see that the i5 is quite competent when compared to lower end quads in multi-threaded applications. The i3 is practically the same except with no turbo and a slight clock decrease. i3's also start at $113 which is not a very large price to pay for what you are getting - q6600-like rendering and encoding coupled with e8500-like gaming.

Some people still prefer cheaper Athlons II :p

The main problem of the i3 is that he is more competing with the Phenom and i5 than with the Athlons II lol

I know people still have reason's to go Athlon II which is why I mention in the OP that $120-160 is where the Clarkdale's really light up. Truth be told even the lowest clocked i3 is not a shabby performer, though I can see why some would prefer the 620. We'll just have to wait for i3 overclocking benches!

I never said AMD was dead. They have certainly lost a large portion of the price range to Intel though. I also believe the earliest new architecture we are seeing from AMD is Bulldozer which is schedule for Q2-Q4 2011. The only thing AMD has coming in 2010 is Thuban which I mention in the OP.
home of vaporware
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:41:06
January 05 2010 19:40 GMT
#37
On January 06 2010 04:28 zeroimagination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:23 Pakje wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:18 zeroimagination wrote:
I never said Hyper-Threading helped in games, though ironically it did in DA: Origins according to Anandtech. Also, the screen shot is done with Intel's IGP which no serious gamer would settle for either way.

4 physical cores at the moment is still holding strong in 3D rendering and video encoding, but Hyper-Threading provides a cheaper alternative for gamers who still want to be able to do those things, play games at high frames, and not spend an exorbitant amount of money.


except that you can get the athlon 620 quadcore for 100$

I mentioned specifically in my OP that the Athlon 620 is still a good choice. Let's face it though, the 620 is not nearly in the same league in terms of gaming. Most people would spend the extra $13 for the possibility to hit 4GHz, as well.


these days gaming is very gpu limited.
a athlon 620 with a hd 5870 would easily beat a i7 920 with a hd 5770
source

also do you know how much the chipsets will cost? I don't think it's only going to be 13$ extra

edit: not many people as you think overclock
zeroimagination
Profile Joined August 2009
18 Posts
January 05 2010 19:46 GMT
#38
On January 06 2010 04:40 Pakje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:28 zeroimagination wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:23 Pakje wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:18 zeroimagination wrote:
I never said Hyper-Threading helped in games, though ironically it did in DA: Origins according to Anandtech. Also, the screen shot is done with Intel's IGP which no serious gamer would settle for either way.

4 physical cores at the moment is still holding strong in 3D rendering and video encoding, but Hyper-Threading provides a cheaper alternative for gamers who still want to be able to do those things, play games at high frames, and not spend an exorbitant amount of money.


except that you can get the athlon 620 quadcore for 100$

I mentioned specifically in my OP that the Athlon 620 is still a good choice. Let's face it though, the 620 is not nearly in the same league in terms of gaming. Most people would spend the extra $13 for the possibility to hit 4GHz, as well.


these days gaming is very gpu limited.
a athlon 620 with a hd 5870 would easily beat a i7 920 with a hd 5770
source

also do you know how much the chipsets will cost? I don't think it's only going to be 13$ extra

edit: not many people as you think overclock

Well, i3/i5 duals are socket 1156. Some good and cheap P55 motherboards can be had right now for around $100. Newer, supposedly more mainstream H57 motherboards will be out but I have no idea about the price of those.

Sure, an Athlon 620 with a 5870 will probably outperform an i7 980X with a 5770. But an Athlon 620 with a 5870 will probably be outperformed by a i3 530 with a 5870.

If we aren't taking into account overclocking, the Athlon 620 falls even further behind. As it won't be as near as competent in gaming.
home of vaporware
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
January 05 2010 19:49 GMT
#39
Also if you OC you need to spend extra money on fans, better PSU etc ...
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-05 19:54:34
January 05 2010 19:54 GMT
#40
On January 06 2010 04:46 zeroimagination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:40 Pakje wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:28 zeroimagination wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:23 Pakje wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:18 zeroimagination wrote:
I never said Hyper-Threading helped in games, though ironically it did in DA: Origins according to Anandtech. Also, the screen shot is done with Intel's IGP which no serious gamer would settle for either way.

4 physical cores at the moment is still holding strong in 3D rendering and video encoding, but Hyper-Threading provides a cheaper alternative for gamers who still want to be able to do those things, play games at high frames, and not spend an exorbitant amount of money.


except that you can get the athlon 620 quadcore for 100$

I mentioned specifically in my OP that the Athlon 620 is still a good choice. Let's face it though, the 620 is not nearly in the same league in terms of gaming. Most people would spend the extra $13 for the possibility to hit 4GHz, as well.


these days gaming is very gpu limited.
a athlon 620 with a hd 5870 would easily beat a i7 920 with a hd 5770
source

also do you know how much the chipsets will cost? I don't think it's only going to be 13$ extra

edit: not many people as you think overclock

Well, i3/i5 duals are socket 1156. Some good and cheap P55 motherboards can be had right now for around $100. Newer, supposedly more mainstream H57 motherboards will be out but I have no idea about the price of those.


general speaking the am3/am2+ boards are still cheaper


Sure, an Athlon 620 with a 5870 will probably outperform an i7 980X with a 5770. But an Athlon 620 with a 5870 will probably be outperformed by a i3 530 with a 5870.


by a several frames yes, still you are saving money on the cheaper cpu & mobo


If we aren't taking into account overclocking, the Athlon 620 falls even further behind. As it won't be as near as competent in gaming.


as I said, gaming is gpu limited.
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