EPTOn December 10 2009 23:57 TanGeng wrote:
Nobody deserves this kind of treatment not even the recording industry.
Nobody deserves this kind of treatment not even the recording industry.
Oh they deserve it.
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Oh they deserve it. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
It's just the bandwagon, its just "cool" and "edgy", like you're some sort of rebel standing up to the man, except you're just sitting in your chair in your basement not paying for music. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Either way, I hope it'll hurt the record industry. Bad. | ||
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snorlax
United States755 Posts
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic. Piracy being legal is logicaly impossible, since if it was leagal to pirate it wouldn't be pirating. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic. On December 12 2009 02:23 wswordsmen wrote: Piracy being legal is logicaly impossible, since if it was leagal to pirate it wouldn't be pirating. One may say it is a "catch 22". | ||
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Southlight
United States11761 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On December 12 2009 03:19 Southlight wrote: Actually the Spanish Navy way back when considered the Royal Navy pirates, I think. Pirating music is legal, today, in China, where copyright laws are not recognized. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
copyright, ip was created to protect the individual in his lifetime, now conglomerates hold all the patents and copyrights and their keep lengthening it and not allowing their stuff to enter public domain even after 80-90-100 years. it has veered way off from its original sensible goal of creator protection from big businesses anyway this copyright battle b/w p2p and corporations is way bigger than just people filesharing. it's a battle over the old and new distribution models. p2p is clearly much better than the traditional model, and it's being sued cus p2p was born on the net, which is inherently anarchist, free from control, therefore it can't be wholly owned. this is not about content creators or the consumers - the middleman's threatened. the guy with the toll road, who doesn't create content himself, is suing cus suddenly we got a new toll-free road directly connecting creators and consumers and traffic on his toll road is slowing down and being made obsolete. | ||
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Apex
United States7226 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote: + Show Spoiler + I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts (just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest. Lol, nice. On December 10 2009 03:39 yooh wrote: Ok I kinda get it but I kinda don't... So the recording companies have to pay the artists who make music for a copyright to distribute their music? If they don't pay the artists for the copyright then they can't distribute it and make money right? But also, Beyonce isn't the person who makes the music though... for example that is. Wouldn't it be the writer/composer/producer/whoever that makes the music? What does the artist have to do with it... O___O Really? This is a question? The artist only, you know, records, performs and sometimes even writes the music that you hear. The artists aren't some talentless hacks who have no skill in life and do nothing (at least, not all of them). On December 10 2009 20:36 HonestTea wrote: Meh, not quite the great thing that you guys think it is. Agreed. Yeah, it's great that the record companies are getting a taste of their own medicine, but this is going to hurt things overall. Think about the cause-effect. Record label gets sued. Record label loses lots of money. Record label can't afford contracts. Record label stops signing artists. Artists lose backing, support fiscally. Artists no longer can afford to make music. Artists no longer see music as a viable lifestyle. Music dwindles. ^ That is a very simplistic, worst-case-scenario situation, obviously but just to get a point across to some extent. Sure, the artists that win the suit will have more money than they know what to do with and will be able to survive, but unless they get into making their own labels, the music industry is going to be setback quite a bit by this. If major labels go down, there will be issues. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On December 12 2009 08:12 Iplaythings wrote: Good riddance! Yeah, who needs music to be produced? | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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Chariot
United States36 Posts
On December 12 2009 08:49 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Record label gets sued. Record label loses lots of money. Record label can't afford contracts. Record label stops signing artists. Artists lose backing, support fiscally. Artists no longer can afford to make music. Artists no longer see music as a viable lifestyle. Music will still happen regardless of whether mega-labels exist or not. People like writing music even if they're not getting payed extravagantly. That said, to anyone who agrees that maybe the record companies don't deserve this because no one deserves to be treated like this, maybe you're not understanding the point here. The copyright protections afforded right now are not actually protecting the artists, they're protecting the labels. People either need to collectively stop giving the label the ability to enforce their copyright, or the laws need to be revised. Now I'm no huge free-culture person, etc. But I'd like to think things can be better than they are, and hopefully, any loophole that these corporations might use to get out of this one will just be able to be reapplied if the corporations go after any more individual people. And hopefully, by the end of it, the system is a bit more fair to the content producers, instead of the content distributors. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On December 12 2009 09:26 Monsen wrote: Are artists really that dependant of the big labels ? I'm pretty sure IF (which isn't going to happen) the big labels would crumble the market would instantly provide others. Way too much money to be made for anything else to happen really. Well, before and still to some extent, artists are dependent on what a record label offers like promotions, studio/equipment, training, etc. It's gotten better with the internet and technology in general for the last decade, but some obstacles are still there. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On December 12 2009 09:52 Judicator wrote: Well, before and still to some extent, artists are dependent on what a record label offers like promotions, studio/equipment, training, etc. It's gotten better with the internet and technology in general for the last decade, but some obstacles are still there. Artists are in no way dependent on any of that stuff. It helps, sure, but it's not required. There are plenty of independent studios and equipment places, and training can be done anywhere. Promotions are of course done "with the internet and technology". The money that comes with signing onto a big label helps but without it the same (arguably better lolol) music will be made. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Though studio in which to record the music would probably be good too. As well as bitches. And money. | ||
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Kwidowmaker
Canada978 Posts
On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic. It's just the bandwagon, its just "cool" and "edgy", like you're some sort of rebel standing up to the man, except you're just sitting in your chair in your basement not paying for music. This has to be one of the worst of the stupid things said about music pirates. Respecting copyright and lost wages make sense as arguments, but no one would pirate music to show off. What you describe is a desire to be an alpha male so tell me, which female would be impressed by you telling her you don't pay for music? Honestly, bathing yourself in ultra violet radiation until you've become orange is more sexually appealing | ||
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Mekhami
90 Posts
On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote: I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts (just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest. Oh my god. | ||
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