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is awesome32271 Posts
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement
Chet Baker was a leading jazz musician in the 1950s, playing trumpet and providing vocals. Baker died in 1988, yet he is about to add a new claim to fame as the lead plaintiff in possibly the largest copyright infringement case in Canadian history. His estate, which still owns the copyright in more than 50 of his works, is part of a massive class-action lawsuit that has been underway for the past year.
The infringer has effectively already admitted owing at least $50 million and the full claim could exceed $60 billion. If the dollars don't shock, the target of the lawsuit undoubtedly will: The defendants in the case are Warner Music Canada, Sony BMG Music Canada, EMI Music Canada, and Universal Music Canada, the four primary members of the Canadian Recording Industry Association.
The CRIA members were hit with the lawsuit in October 2008 after artists decided to turn to the courts following decades of frustration with the rampant infringement (I am adviser to the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic, which is co-counsel, but have had no involvement in the case).
The claims arise from a longstanding practice of the recording industry in Canada, described in the lawsuit as "exploit now, pay later if at all." It involves the use of works that are often included in compilation CDs (ie. the top dance tracks of 2009) or live recordings. The record labels create, press, distribute and sell the CDs, but do not obtain the necessary copyright licences.
Instead, the names of the songs on the CDs are placed on a "pending list," which signifies that approval and payment is pending. The pending list dates back to the late 1980s, when Canada changed its copyright law by replacing a compulsory licence with the need for specific authorization for each use. It is perhaps better characterized as a copyright infringement admission list, however, since for each use of the work, the record label openly admits that it has not obtained copyright permission and not paid any royalty or fee.
Over the years, the size of the pending list has grown dramatically, now containing more than 300,000 songs.
From Beyonce to Bruce Springsteen, the artists waiting for payment are far from obscure, as thousands of Canadian and foreign artists have seen their copyrights used without permission and payment.
It is difficult to understand why the industry has been so reluctant to pay its bills. Some works may be in the public domain or belong to a copyright owner difficult to ascertain or locate, yet the likes of Sarah McLachlan, Bruce Cockburn, Sloan, or the Watchmen are not hidden from view.
The more likely reason is that the record labels have had little motivation to pay up. As the balance has grown, David Basskin, the president and CEO of the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency Ltd., notes in his affidavit that "the record labels have devoted insufficient resources for identifying and paying the owners of musical works on the pending lists." The CRIA members now face the prospect of far greater liability.
The class action seeks the option of statutory damages for each infringement. At $20,000 per infringement, potential liability exceeds $60 billion.
These numbers may sound outrageous, yet they are based on the same rules that led the recording industry to claim a single file sharer is liable for millions in damages.
After years of claiming Canadian consumers disrespect copyright, the irony of having the recording industry face a massive lawsuit will not be lost on anyone, least of all the artists still waiting to be paid. Indeed, they are also seeking punitive damages, arguing "the conduct of the defendant record companies is aggravated by their strict and unremitting approach to the enforcement of their copyright interests against consumers."
Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or at michaelgeist.ca
The amount to be payed seems to be based on the same rules the companies use against users when pirating stuff over the net. Shows how much the companies care about the artists and music itself and how much extra value they add the an artists work. lol
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Lol. PirateBay riles up the offensive.
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Yeah, they're pretty much hypocrites. That we already knew though.
Good to see that they're getting some of what they were dishing out back.
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United States4796 Posts
Haha. Mininova strikes from the grave.
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This gave me a warm feeling inside.
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Haha... thats a bit of irony for you. Insane amount of money. If that actually goes through I'll be really happy. But generally I think the legal maze will string this out for years and eventually nothing will come of it
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"These numbers may sound outrageous, yet they are based on the same rules that led the recording industry to claim a single file sharer is liable for millions in damages." wow, let those fuckers burn
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Belgium8305 Posts
i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious
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This is amazing...oh my goodness.
The irony is utterly ridiculous.
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United States3824 Posts
On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious
I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it.
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Yummy. I have a nice feeling in my mouth, just like after a nice sweat meal
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On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it. So many paper cuts....
This news is hilarious, though I doubt that they are going to get the full amount the artists are looking for.
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Dr Cox: "I love this moment so much, I want to have sex with it."
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Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
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Belgium8305 Posts
On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it.
I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts (just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest.
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This happens on T.V. networks and movie distributors as well.
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On December 09 2009 04:28 number1gog wrote: Dr Cox: "I love this moment so much, I want to have sex with it." QFA (awesome)
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On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it. I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts ( just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest. This reeks of fagfiction, and the reeking's good.
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Brings a little tear to my eye. <3
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On December 09 2009 03:13 Jyvblamo wrote: This gave me a warm feeling inside. Me too, bro, me too!
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Netherlands19130 Posts
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Ah cow, you never fail to deliver. By far my favourite poster on TL.
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best news ever. fuck the record industry.
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Oh fuck yea monkey island
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I love these news. I also love Cow.
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On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going build a fort.
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On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it. + Show Spoiler + I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts (just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest.
![[image loading]](http://www.phreak20.com/applause1.gif)
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this easily made my day. In such a better mood now.
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On December 09 2009 04:28 number1gog wrote: Dr Cox: "I love this moment so much, I want to have sex with it."
Damn, I wish I had a YT link of Laverne's gospel choir singing "Payback is a bitch".
Too bad that one of the record industries 2654354168 attorneys will find a legal loophole so the Majors only have to settle fo a fraction of the initial amount.
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Now if they could just go broke...
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I am very much entertained. Although I'm not entirely sure I should be?
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Music pirates complaining about music pirating.
Sweet justice rolls down like waterfalls.
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I doubt they're going to pay out, they don't have 60 billion.
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+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +I really don't understand how that Cow post get's so much love. Is it relevant to something? Even if it is, what the fuck? Sounds like terrible drivel imo. But then again, most of you guy's probably think contradictory to my posts and thoughts most of the time. I guess you people are just mostly dissimilar from me.
Or is it just TL bandwagon mod cocksucking?
PS- don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'troll' or start a flame war or anything. I'm being sincere.
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On December 09 2009 07:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +I really don't understand how that Cow post get's so much love. Is it relevant to something? Even if it is, what the fuck? Sounds like terrible drivel imo. But then again, most of you guy's probably think contradictory to my posts and thoughts most of the time. I guess you people are just mostly dissimilar from me.
Or is it just TL bandwagon mod cocksucking?
PS- don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'troll' or start a flame war or anything. I'm being sincere.
YEA this is pure mod cocksucking like we'd get anything for it
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On December 09 2009 07:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +I really don't understand how that Cow post get's so much love. Is it relevant to something? Even if it is, what the fuck? Sounds like terrible drivel imo. But then again, most of you guy's probably think contradictory to my posts and thoughts most of the time. I guess you people are just mostly dissimilar from me.
Or is it just TL bandwagon mod cocksucking?
PS- don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'troll' or start a flame war or anything. I'm being sincere.
It's enjoyable to read because of it's absurdity and excellent description. It also has some context because he's 1-uping the other person.
Edit: Oh, and to reply to the actual topic...
This is really cool news. Hopefully it breaks down the facade of the record industry. Three cheers for Canadian courts if this case is reasonable, successful, and timely.
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On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it. I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts ( just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest. This is like not funny but kinda funny at the same time. I can't quite decide which, but I'm definitely leaning towards not funny.
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On December 09 2009 07:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +I really don't understand how that Cow post get's so much love. Is it relevant to something? Even if it is, what the fuck? Sounds like terrible drivel imo. But then again, most of you guy's probably think contradictory to my posts and thoughts most of the time. I guess you people are just mostly dissimilar from me.
Or is it just TL bandwagon mod cocksucking?
PS- don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'troll' or start a flame war or anything. I'm being sincere.
Meh, I guess it just is a certain "messed" up kind of humor I find particularly funny. It's like his insult/threat posts- just classic.
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Charlie, you're a level above us. It might just be too hard to comprehend our thinking.
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The canadian based label companies are being sued directly, not the CRIA. those companies have parent companies. Those 60 billion can seriously hurt them. Which I hope it does. Mortally.
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Holy shit, these guys know how to party!
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On December 09 2009 07:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +I really don't understand how that Cow post get's so much love. Is it relevant to something? Even if it is, what the fuck? Sounds like terrible drivel imo. But then again, most of you guy's probably think contradictory to my posts and thoughts most of the time. I guess you people are just mostly dissimilar from me.
Or is it just TL bandwagon mod cocksucking?
PS- don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'troll' or start a flame war or anything. I'm being sincere. + Show Spoiler [also_offtopic] +If you don't wanna start flamewars you could just go with brown-nosing or sucking up instead of cocksucking  Cow's post was good humor. It is relevant in that he purposefully one-upped the previous people saying what they wanted to do with the delicious newspost, and then it became hilarious on account of being a one-up of very large proportions. It was like saying "I am infinitely better than you... PLUS ONE!" But I'm not the comedy cops and I'm not saying that this is the only reason why it was funny, or even that anyone else should think so. But not getting the joke doesn't make you special. Thinking you're somehow "dissimilar" for not getting a joke does make you something, but not special. It starts with a P. No, not that.
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Belgium8305 Posts
controversy about my posting ITT
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On December 09 2009 07:53 Badjas wrote: Charlie, you're a level above us. It might just be too hard to comprehend our thinking.
I love when arrogant is the first response to questioning others. Sadly to say Badjas, and I know this is really gonna hit the spot:
Somebody doesn't always think they are smarter than you when they oppose your opinion. Now please, get on our level. You're one step below.
edit: In retrospect, I guess it IS the easiest way out of an argument. Somebody debates you, *BAM*, call em arrogant, and you've possibly just discredited their argument somehow (wtf?)
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this thread went to hell in a hurry
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On December 10 2009 02:59 vGl-CoW wrote: controversy about my posting ITT
#1 poster combined with CM = ???
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Ok I kinda get it but I kinda don't...
So the recording companies have to pay the artists who make music for a copyright to distribute their music? If they don't pay the artists for the copyright then they can't distribute it and make money right? But also, Beyonce isn't the person who makes the music though... for example that is. Wouldn't it be the writer/composer/producer/whoever that makes the music? What does the artist have to do with it... O___O
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On December 10 2009 02:47 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 07:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +I really don't understand how that Cow post get's so much love. Is it relevant to something? Even if it is, what the fuck? Sounds like terrible drivel imo. But then again, most of you guy's probably think contradictory to my posts and thoughts most of the time. I guess you people are just mostly dissimilar from me.
Or is it just TL bandwagon mod cocksucking?
PS- don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'troll' or start a flame war or anything. I'm being sincere. + Show Spoiler [also_offtopic] +If you don't wanna start flamewars you could just go with brown-nosing or sucking up instead of cocksucking  Cow's post was good humor. It is relevant in that he purposefully one-upped the previous people saying what they wanted to do with the delicious newspost, and then it became hilarious on account of being a one-up of very large proportions. It was like saying "I am infinitely better than you... PLUS ONE!" But I'm not the comedy cops and I'm not saying that this is the only reason why it was funny, or even that anyone else should think so. But not getting the joke doesn't make you special. Thinking you're somehow "dissimilar" for not getting a joke does make you something, but not special. It starts with a P. No, not that.
Osmoses said it perfectly
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On December 10 2009 03:20 MamiyaOtaru wrote: this thread went to hell in a hurry
This thread went to hell before it even started.
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I'm joining Charliemurphysquad on this one! way too much text on cow's post to be funny or relevant.
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how about that article on the first page of the thread, pretty great huh guys?
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On December 10 2009 04:28 Blyf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2009 02:47 Osmoses wrote:On December 09 2009 07:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +I really don't understand how that Cow post get's so much love. Is it relevant to something? Even if it is, what the fuck? Sounds like terrible drivel imo. But then again, most of you guy's probably think contradictory to my posts and thoughts most of the time. I guess you people are just mostly dissimilar from me.
Or is it just TL bandwagon mod cocksucking?
PS- don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to 'troll' or start a flame war or anything. I'm being sincere. + Show Spoiler [also_offtopic] +If you don't wanna start flamewars you could just go with brown-nosing or sucking up instead of cocksucking  Cow's post was good humor. It is relevant in that he purposefully one-upped the previous people saying what they wanted to do with the delicious newspost, and then it became hilarious on account of being a one-up of very large proportions. It was like saying "I am infinitely better than you... PLUS ONE!" But I'm not the comedy cops and I'm not saying that this is the only reason why it was funny, or even that anyone else should think so. But not getting the joke doesn't make you special. Thinking you're somehow "dissimilar" for not getting a joke does make you something, but not special. It starts with a P. No, not that. Osmoses said it perfectly
Dunno why you leave me a riddle instead of actually calling me a name? (Some kind of half assed insult attempt?) And I didn't say I was special or better than you (guys). You are reading into my post exactly how I told you not to. I wasn't specifically claiming this 1 post on all of TL is the only reason I am different. It's a number of things I just don't relate with at all, and this kind of random fan fiction stuff is part of it (ex; hot_bid does this kind of stuff all the time). imo it's not even a joke it's just clutter to me (and I'm not implying that my posting is the best or his is the worst either). So that is why I do not understand how you(guys) all loved it, when it's the complete opposite to me. I was just trying to understand it. That's all I'm saying.
ps- brown nosing and cocksucking mean the same thing, what the hell difference does it make how you say it. In fact if you visualize each act, which one is more disgusting?
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i wonder why this isn't bigger news
probably a combination of people thinking this will never go through, and reluctance from major media organizations to report the story
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Finally. Record companies can kiss my ass.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
I get better news coverage here at teamliquid than I do watching cnn or your average shit-for-news tv news. Anyway, best news I heard this week, I truly hope they get nailed with their own poison and they don't weasel out of the class action suit.
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why are we arguing over whether or not something is funny when its a matter of personal preference
micronesia is the only objectively unfunny thing so no need to bicker
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cow is the only one here who can even metabolize the paper
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+ Show Spoiler [waay_offtopic] +On December 10 2009 07:26 CharlieMurphy wrote: Dunno why you leave me a riddle instead of actually calling me a name? (Some kind of half assed insult attempt?) And I didn't say I was special or better than you (guys). You are reading into my post exactly how I told you not to. I wasn't specifically claiming this 1 post on all of TL is the only reason I am different. It's a number of things I just don't relate with at all, and this kind of random fan fiction stuff is part of it (ex; hot_bid does this kind of stuff all the time). imo it's not even a joke it's just clutter to me (and I'm not implying that my posting is the best or his is the worst either). So that is why I do not understand how you(guys) all loved it, when it's the complete opposite to me. I was just trying to understand it. That's all I'm saying.
ps- brown nosing and cocksucking mean the same thing, what the hell difference does it make how you say it. In fact if you visualize each act, which one is more disgusting?
Alright we're way off-topic here so I'll be brief... er than I usually am: I was just explaining the joke, something I hate doing, and you were not just asking someone to explain the joke to you, you were at the same time implying that there was nothing to understand and that anyone who liked the joke was a cocksucker. Great job there bub. And if you were to tell your friends you didn't want to join in their games not because you felt they were immature or even childish, but because you yourself were "dissimilar" to them, you'd get your ass kicked wouldn't you? And Charlie, the difference between "brown-nosing" and "cocksucking" is the same as the difference between "you're a bad man!" and "FUCK YOU!" Which is something any third grader will be able to tell you. And on the subject of words, I think the common denominator of people who liked the joke was love of language, in other words it was not the joke itself but the way it was told that made it what it was. But fuck, I do hate to explain why shit is funny. Buttfuck shit, teeheeeee! Ok so feeling a little guilty here about jumping on the bashwagon, I gotta say I'm curious about this whole legal action thingy. The ones who are being sued are... record companies, right? And the ones who are doing the suing are... other record companies, right? Or are the artists acting on their own, outside of influences from their labels?
So basically all we need now is for the consumers to sue the artists and the whole deal will have gone full circle. I propose we start with Kanye West, that guy is a total douche.
Edit: Charlie, we're way too dissimilar, I'm taking a furlough from this congregation of altercations.
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nice this gives me an excuse to pirate
i can just say 'well, the record companies do it, so why cant i'
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I hope they go broke, the music industry are total bastards.
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i didn't call anyone who liked the joke a cocksucker, I said it could be either that or the other.
Brown nosing = sticking your nose up their ass because you think their shit doesn't stink. And where i'm from, if you refer to someone sucking someone's dick it means the same as brown nosing. (a relevant context would be a woman in an office who sucked her way up the ranks)
ps- your analogy is absurd
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lol at cow's post, was pretty funny and inventive but i get the feeling you may have let yourself get slightly carried away.
edit, now i read on it's even more funny as you seem to have made someone mini rage over people enjoying it.
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On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
I think vGi-CoW is great because he got you to react like this, CM.
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On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it. I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts ( just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest.
Damnit Cow, couldn't you have let the idea grow a bit before you out one-upped us all?
But lol anyways.
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HonestTea
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Meh, not quite the great thing that you guys think it is.
Sandwiches
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On December 10 2009 03:06 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 07:53 Badjas wrote: Charlie, you're a level above us. It might just be too hard to comprehend our thinking.
I love when arrogant is the first response to questioning others. Sadly to say Badjas, and I know this is really gonna hit the spot: Somebody doesn't always think they are smarter than you when they oppose your opinion. Now please, get on our level. You're one step below. edit: In retrospect, I guess it IS the easiest way out of an argument. Somebody debates you, *BAM*, call em arrogant, and you've possibly just discredited their argument somehow (wtf?) I guess I took charlie's post in a different light than you did. I found his post to be arrogant, and I countered.
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I have never been happier. i think.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Nobody deserves this kind of treatment not even the recording industry.
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that is some delicious irony right there. fileshare ftw.
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Definitely not suck CoW's cock but I will definitely suck CoW's four breasts since it's rich in calcium!
not to derail the thread if they fucking win that 60 billion dollar lawsuit? Hell, what will happen to recording artists?
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On December 10 2009 08:13 Physician wrote: I get better news coverage here at teamliquid than I do watching cnn or your average shit-for-news tv news. Anyway, best news I heard this week, I truly hope they get nailed with their own poison and they don't weasel out of the class action suit. TL.net does deliver some great news stories, yeah 
As to the lawsuit... I'm not a particularly vindictive fellow. But the big four of the recording industry? They were just asking for it.
They had a bad, reactionary business model that stomped on innovation.
Instead of trying to win back consumers with good, legitimate alternatives, they harassed consumers, bringing some of them to financial ruin.
They claimed to do this on behalf of the artists, but most artists didn't want this. In fact, the record labels were also screwing the artists over, raking in the vast majority of profits from album sales.
They led a crusade against consumers in the name of copyright- and now it turns out they also engage in copyright infringement on a massive scale? Man, but I hope they burn for this.
On an unrelated note, CoW's controversial post was a bit over the top, but quite funny :p
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Wow, I had a big smile on my face for like 2 minutes. Couldn't stop it.
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Serves 'em right, especially for how sneaky they've been this past year.
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This thread always puts a smile on my face.
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Christmas sure came early this year!
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On December 10 2009 23:57 TanGeng wrote: Nobody deserves this kind of treatment not even the recording industry.
Oh they deserve it.
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Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic.
It's just the bandwagon, its just "cool" and "edgy", like you're some sort of rebel standing up to the man, except you're just sitting in your chair in your basement not paying for music.
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It says 6 billion dollars in the article, and 60 billion in the OP. Did they change the article later?
Either way, I hope it'll hurt the record industry. Bad.
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GG templar makes a good point lol I find it hilarious that they are named karma
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On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic. Piracy being legal is logicaly impossible, since if it was leagal to pirate it wouldn't be pirating.
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On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic.
On December 12 2009 02:23 wswordsmen wrote: Piracy being legal is logicaly impossible, since if it was leagal to pirate it wouldn't be pirating.
One may say it is a "catch 22".
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Actually the Spanish Navy way back when considered the Royal Navy pirates, I think.
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On December 12 2009 03:19 Southlight wrote: Actually the Spanish Navy way back when considered the Royal Navy pirates, I think. Pirating music is legal, today, in China, where copyright laws are not recognized.
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copyright laws like the DMCA shouldn't be respected, not the public and certainly not by artists
copyright, ip was created to protect the individual in his lifetime, now conglomerates hold all the patents and copyrights and their keep lengthening it and not allowing their stuff to enter public domain even after 80-90-100 years. it has veered way off from its original sensible goal of creator protection from big businesses
anyway this copyright battle b/w p2p and corporations is way bigger than just people filesharing. it's a battle over the old and new distribution models. p2p is clearly much better than the traditional model, and it's being sued cus p2p was born on the net, which is inherently anarchist, free from control, therefore it can't be wholly owned. this is not about content creators or the consumers - the middleman's threatened.
the guy with the toll road, who doesn't create content himself, is suing cus suddenly we got a new toll-free road directly connecting creators and consumers and traffic on his toll road is slowing down and being made obsolete.
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Oh the irony. The record industry faces charges for robbing artists when they themselves charged consumers with robbing potential money for artists too.
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On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it. + Show Spoiler + I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts (just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest.
Lol, nice.
On December 10 2009 03:39 yooh wrote: Ok I kinda get it but I kinda don't...
So the recording companies have to pay the artists who make music for a copyright to distribute their music? If they don't pay the artists for the copyright then they can't distribute it and make money right? But also, Beyonce isn't the person who makes the music though... for example that is. Wouldn't it be the writer/composer/producer/whoever that makes the music? What does the artist have to do with it... O___O
Really? This is a question? The artist only, you know, records, performs and sometimes even writes the music that you hear. The artists aren't some talentless hacks who have no skill in life and do nothing (at least, not all of them).
On December 10 2009 20:36 HonestTea wrote: Meh, not quite the great thing that you guys think it is.
Agreed. Yeah, it's great that the record companies are getting a taste of their own medicine, but this is going to hurt things overall. Think about the cause-effect.
Record label gets sued. Record label loses lots of money. Record label can't afford contracts. Record label stops signing artists. Artists lose backing, support fiscally. Artists no longer can afford to make music. Artists no longer see music as a viable lifestyle. Music dwindles.
^ That is a very simplistic, worst-case-scenario situation, obviously but just to get a point across to some extent.
Sure, the artists that win the suit will have more money than they know what to do with and will be able to survive, but unless they get into making their own labels, the music industry is going to be setback quite a bit by this. If major labels go down, there will be issues.
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On December 12 2009 08:12 Iplaythings wrote: Good riddance!
Yeah, who needs music to be produced?
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Are artists really that dependant of the big labels ? I'm pretty sure IF (which isn't going to happen) the big labels would crumble the market would instantly provide others. Way too much money to be made for anything else to happen really.
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On December 12 2009 08:49 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Record label gets sued. Record label loses lots of money. Record label can't afford contracts. Record label stops signing artists. Artists lose backing, support fiscally. Artists no longer can afford to make music. Artists no longer see music as a viable lifestyle.
Music will still happen regardless of whether mega-labels exist or not. People like writing music even if they're not getting payed extravagantly.
That said, to anyone who agrees that maybe the record companies don't deserve this because no one deserves to be treated like this, maybe you're not understanding the point here. The copyright protections afforded right now are not actually protecting the artists, they're protecting the labels. People either need to collectively stop giving the label the ability to enforce their copyright, or the laws need to be revised.
Now I'm no huge free-culture person, etc. But I'd like to think things can be better than they are, and hopefully, any loophole that these corporations might use to get out of this one will just be able to be reapplied if the corporations go after any more individual people. And hopefully, by the end of it, the system is a bit more fair to the content producers, instead of the content distributors.
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On December 12 2009 09:26 Monsen wrote: Are artists really that dependant of the big labels ? I'm pretty sure IF (which isn't going to happen) the big labels would crumble the market would instantly provide others. Way too much money to be made for anything else to happen really.
Well, before and still to some extent, artists are dependent on what a record label offers like promotions, studio/equipment, training, etc. It's gotten better with the internet and technology in general for the last decade, but some obstacles are still there.
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On December 12 2009 09:52 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 09:26 Monsen wrote: Are artists really that dependant of the big labels ? I'm pretty sure IF (which isn't going to happen) the big labels would crumble the market would instantly provide others. Way too much money to be made for anything else to happen really. Well, before and still to some extent, artists are dependent on what a record label offers like promotions, studio/equipment, training, etc. It's gotten better with the internet and technology in general for the last decade, but some obstacles are still there. Artists are in no way dependent on any of that stuff. It helps, sure, but it's not required. There are plenty of independent studios and equipment places, and training can be done anywhere. Promotions are of course done "with the internet and technology". The money that comes with signing onto a big label helps but without it the same (arguably better lolol) music will be made.
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Today, all an artist really needs to spread his or her music is a computer and an internet connection. Where it goes from there is word of mouth or perhaps some marketing.
Though studio in which to record the music would probably be good too.
As well as bitches. And money.
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On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic.
It's just the bandwagon, its just "cool" and "edgy", like you're some sort of rebel standing up to the man, except you're just sitting in your chair in your basement not paying for music.
This has to be one of the worst of the stupid things said about music pirates. Respecting copyright and lost wages make sense as arguments, but no one would pirate music to show off.
What you describe is a desire to be an alpha male so tell me, which female would be impressed by you telling her you don't pay for music?
Honestly, bathing yourself in ultra violet radiation until you've become orange is more sexually appealing
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On December 09 2009 04:59 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2009 03:55 cgrinker wrote:On December 09 2009 03:46 vGl-CoW wrote: i am going to print this article out and eat it because it's just so delicious I'm going to print out a thousand and bathe in it. I will print out however many it takes to approximate the weight of a healthy female. Then, I will not allow myself to rest until I have used this mass of articles to fashion a crude homunculus. Carefully, ever so gently, I will construct its facial features, its breasts ( just the right size), its hips and thighs, the gentle curving of its buttocks and finally, (with trembling fingers), its genitalia. I will have it don a pretty dress and I will take it out to picknicks by the beach. I will tell it jokes and I will share stories that I have never before shared with anyone. Slowly, it will fall for me. We will hold hands as the sun dips into the sea over by the horizon, in silent awe of nature and quiet appreciation of one another. We will share secrets. We will share a bed, and even a toothbrush. When the time is right, we will get married. Others will judge me, but I won't care. With the most self-confident of smiles, I will call them ignorant. I won't even notice the empty church as I say my vows - I will have eyes only for my spouse. In due time, a pregnancy will follow. The doctor will be unable to hide his revulsion as he delivers our children. He will proclaim them to be demonic creatures and he will try to douse them in petrol - I will stop him. We will love our children, despite them being mushy, half-meat, half-paper wads. We will raise them to be good wads, the best wads they could possibly be. As they leave the house, we will know that we have done a fine job. As we are alone again, we will fill our autumn years with slow walks and cosy nights by the fireplace, quietly reminiscing about a life well-lived. We will tell each other "I love you" with nothing but a simple glance and a little smile. We will see each other grow old and wordlessly accept the implications. Finally, as she expires, I will find myself wanting to have gone first, to spare myself the grief of having half of one's soul taken away. When, after a few days, my weeping stops, I will solemnly carry her coffined remains to our back yard. By the cherry tree (her favorite tree in the whole wide yard), I will dig a grave and lay her to rest. Stopping only to dry my eyes and clear my vision, I will then dig a second grave and, smiling, knowing I could not have asked for a more beautiful and joy-filled life, I will use my dad's old gun, and lay myself to rest.
Oh my god.
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On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic.
It's just the bandwagon, its just "cool" and "edgy", like you're some sort of rebel standing up to the man, except you're just sitting in your chair in your basement not paying for music.
Did you even read the OP or the thread? The record companies did something bad, so they're going to have to pay. We all agree. What's the problem?
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Austin10831 Posts
The main problem with this is that the repercussions will most certainly effect the consumer far more than the corporation. We still haven't figured out an effective music dispersal method. Torrents and DLs are great for us, the consumers, but poor for artists as they have to spend an increasing amount of time on the road to subsidize their lifestyles. I'm not talking about the upper echelon of artists that make real bank, but the thousands of bands for whom music is a means to support themselves and their families.
Right now, music is broken, and a lawsuit like this might just make things harder to fix. Overall, a really tough situation for many artists who are in a bad situation but aren't presented with better options.
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On December 12 2009 19:08 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 02:01 Catch]22 wrote: Piracy being legal is fucking stupid, this entire thread fails to deliver sense or logic.
It's just the bandwagon, its just "cool" and "edgy", like you're some sort of rebel standing up to the man, except you're just sitting in your chair in your basement not paying for music. Did you even read the OP or the thread? The record companies did something bad, so they're going to have to pay. We all agree. What's the problem?
Ahahaha you sound like my mom, she too used to think that I felt cool and edgy when i didn't do my homework. Who exactly is standing up to the man? Despite piracy, record companies still manage to make huge profits, so i think they can survive if i save my money buying music and spending it on other more worthwhile stuff.
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On December 09 2009 05:35 icyF wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2JRz8kzmZY this is very appropriate indeed
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On December 12 2009 19:18 BroOd wrote: The main problem with this is that the repercussions will most certainly effect the consumer far more than the corporation. We still haven't figured out an effective music dispersal method. Torrents and DLs are great for us, the consumers, but poor for artists as they have to spend an increasing amount of time on the road to subsidize their lifestyles. I'm not talking about the upper echelon of artists that make real bank, but the thousands of bands for whom music is a means to support themselves and their families.
Right now, music is broken, and a lawsuit like this might just make things harder to fix. Overall, a really tough situation for many artists who are in a bad situation but aren't presented with better options. I couldn't disagree more with this post. You say the consumer will suffer? The consumers suffer when an industry sticks to decades-old technology, stubbornly refusing to adopt better means of distribution. You like a particular song, and want to buy it? Well, you'll have to drive to a store that has it in stock and buy a CD with 10 other songs you don't want.
But what about piracy? Online distribution is no good! It needs more DRM! Like... CDs, which have none?
This lawsuit will do very little harm to fledgling artists because they already get most of their income from live performances. When you say 'to subsidize their lifestyles', you leave me wondering whether you have any idea what a subsidy is.
If you want to help out consumers, you need to put a stop to copyright infringement lawsuits that wreck their lives and move on to a good business model that gives them good music with minimal hassle and cheaply. Kind of like the iTunes Music Store does.
I'm hoping this lawsuit will provide the record labels with a much-needed shakeup. That, or make them go bust. Capitalism is a force of creative destruction, where companies and individuals alike are free to succeed, and free to fail. I for one won't shed a tear if the record labels fail- much like General Motors and Chrysler should have. Those resources (capital and manpower) might be better employed elsewhere. If those record companies fail, better ones are sure to take their place.
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Heres a new method of music distribution, put it all free online, and earn your money from live performances, which your fans will want to watch since they know your work from searching music for free online.
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On December 13 2009 04:19 D10 wrote: Heres a new method of music distribution, put it all free online, and earn your money from live performances, which your fans will want to watch since they know your work from searching music for free online.
You mean with advertisements like hulu?
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On December 13 2009 04:33 NFL2368 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 04:19 D10 wrote: Heres a new method of music distribution, put it all free online, and earn your money from live performances, which your fans will want to watch since they know your work from searching music for free online. You mean with advertisements like hulu? Or Spotify.
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On December 13 2009 04:19 D10 wrote: Heres a new method of music distribution, put it all free online, and earn your money from live performances, which your fans will want to watch since they know your work from searching music for free online. It's a brave proposal, but I don't think it would ultimately serve the artists' interests.
It really isn't that hard to have a good business model. Look at the videogames industry, they share a lot of the problematic traits of the music industry:
Item for sale is mostly intellectual property? Check. Production costs are almost exclusively comprised in the development of the intellectual property and advertisement of the product? Check. The product exists in digital format and can thus be pirated over the internet? Check.
You could argue that console games require a disc, which you have to purchase anyway. But then again, you still see disc-free, online innovation in consoles: Xbox Live Arcade anyone?
With computer games, you get the same: Steam. Now, Blizzard wised up and is copying those two services, with Battlenet 2.0. There's a huge library of games you can buy right from your couch (or desk chair), no problem. THAT's service. That's a business model that aims to please the consumer.
In the music industry? The only ones who strive to please the consumer are the pirates; the record labels go out of their way to vex them. Sure, pirates are a problem- for the video games and music industries alike- but blaming all their problems on piracy is naive at BeSt, dishonest at worst.
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