EPTArrested for not paying tip - Page 5
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
edit: The problem here was probably with the communication between the patrons and the managers of the restaurant I would think. I'm sure the managers wouldn't have wanted to call the police and would have done somethign to resolve the issue favorably towards the patrons. Although, it sounds like the place was booming so maybe they think they don't need to worry about a few guests who won't come back. | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
On November 20 2009 08:07 KissBlade wrote: I used to work as host so I have tons of sympathy for the service staff but honestly arrested is going too far. Just spit in the drink next time! =( How would that work? Are you saying that the server should spit in the customers drink next time in retaliation for the customer being pissed about bad service? Or that the customer should sneak into the restaurant and somehow spit into something the server would drink? | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9036 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
I mean tipping does have some point to it though because it motivates waiters to give good service to hopefully the patrons are nice and reward good service with a better tip. Rather than with no tips just having the negative possibility of having the patron complain about you. | ||
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On November 20 2009 07:54 jfazz wrote: No restauraunt I have been to in Europe has a tip already figured into the bill - maybe in dodgier ones, but not anywhere nice. In Australia, where tipping just isn't done (a study lsat year showed something like 3% of Australians tip), the reason boils down to the waiters getting paid quite well - they don't need the tips to survive. The same isn't true in the US, so regardless of the service, I feel you have to tip - in 99% of cases it isn't the fault of the waiter if the service is slow, its usually the floor manager, other customers or kitchen staff. So cut the poor guys/girls some slack. Nonetheless, the notion of a 'mandatory gratuity' is quite laughable. It depends where in Europe you go, what time of day it is, and where the restaurant is located. At lunch time in Athens it can be common to be billed for a chair, at dinner time in Budapest there is almost always going to be a 20% service charge applied to your bill, and etc. Maybe you just spent most of your time in different countries, or just got lucky? China is awesome because it is considered rude to try and pay a tip, I guess it is kind of patronizing or something. Personally, I don't have a problem with a service charge when dining in a large group, but I almost always find the charge to be too high. I was in Seattle two weeks ago with my rowing team, and we had 20 of us all together, and they charged us a 25% service charge to eat there. Since when was 15+% a regular amount to tip? I thought 10-15% was the standard. What I really hate is how tipping is expected for other sorts of things. When I buy a pitcher of beer at a pub from the bartender, I really hate how I am expected to tip him for twenty seconds of work. His job is to pour beer, and I am expected to give him extra money for doing his job? I don't get tipped every time I call my fruit broker. | ||
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BalliSLife
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
I think it's fairly obvious that the law says the couple has to pay, so why they should not be arrested as the overwhelming majority of people in this poll seems to think so is beyond me. I'm assuming their vote is more for "I thinik not tipping should not be agaisnt the law" than "They should not be arrested for breaking the law." I think the couple should have been arrested because they weren't going to get away with not paying so the only justice is the bad publicity the restaurant gets which is probably going to cost them more than they recovered. Also, since when is tipping part of American culture? Other countries don't tip? You're probably more likely to see mandatory tipping in a bill in France than in United State just for an example. Also, mandatory tipping is kind of lame, but if you've ever been to those websites where the servers share stories, sometimes they get hosed. For example one person told a story where she served this giant group of people that were out of church or something and they stayed for 3 hours and racked up a several hundred dollar bill and they left with a note that said "Knowing God loves you is enough of a tip" or something retarded. Also, working at Mcdonalds is not the same service as being a server and taking orders, refilling drinks, checking on the table, delivering food, etc. Doing the latter for minimum wage would kind of suck. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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omninmo
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On November 20 2009 09:10 TimmyMac wrote: Not my problem how the restaurant is managed. lol it was just a question. No need to be so defensive. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
On November 20 2009 09:40 GreenManalishi wrote: I thought 10-15% was the standard. It's 15%-20%, let's not be cheap now, us servers gotta make a living too. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
On November 20 2009 09:51 omninmo wrote: land of the free... and the home of the brave!!! It's ok, I forget the words to songs sometimes too! | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
Edit: After thinking about it a little it's actually not surprising at all given the strong differences between americans and europeans about what should be considered "granted" and what should not. It reminds me of the health care thread. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 20 2009 10:02 Matoo- wrote: How can anyone defend this system where waiters are paid like shit and completely depend on tips to make a living? That's fucking bullshit. Ever heard of the free market economy? | ||
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EvilSky
Czech Republic548 Posts
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
On November 20 2009 09:51 omninmo wrote: land of the free... land of the fee | ||
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Kwidowmaker
Canada978 Posts
SA has a huge topic on restaurant service, browse if you're at all interested (it's actually fascinating - alcohol and cannabis usage, fucking waitresses and cussing all seem to be kitchen staples) | ||
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
On November 20 2009 10:02 Matoo- wrote: How can anyone defend this system where waiters are paid like shit and completely depend on tips to make a living? That's fucking bullshit. Because with tips accounted for waiters make a good bit to a lot more than minimum wage. I've known waiters who would actually waive the gratuity charge on large groups when they thought they'd get more without it. Generally if you're willing to complain to management because your service was that bad, no owner or manager would try to force the gratuity out of you. Something seems a bit off about this story. The article says managers even offered to comp the meal. Combining that with the fact it was at a pub, I'd say the people were completely drunk and probably acting extremely obnoxious. That's the only way police would get involved. This post based off experience working in a late night restaurant that serves 90% (if not more) drunks after 2 a.m. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
I think you guys are focusing on the perspective of the customers a little too much. It is the land of the free...a business can charge what it wants. It can put up an "XXX" charge for no reason and it is enforceable as long as the customer had reason to know that this was part of the price. It doesn't matter if it's called a 'gratuity', that's just a label. It is free...the customer was free to purchase the service and the business was free to charge what it wanted. | ||
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