On November 20 2009 08:47 TimmyMac wrote: Oh, and if a gratuity is mandated, I almost always leave little-no tip. Partly out of principle, and partly because there's no reason for a mandatory gratuity. What's the difference between a 6-table and 3 couples?
Out of "principle"? I'm curious...what is this principle?
On November 20 2009 08:47 TimmyMac wrote: Oh, and if a gratuity is mandated, I almost always leave little-no tip. Partly out of principle, and partly because there's no reason for a mandatory gratuity. What's the difference between a 6-table and 3 couples?
Out of "principle"? I'm curious...what is this principle?
On November 20 2009 08:47 TimmyMac wrote: Oh, and if a gratuity is mandated, I almost always leave little-no tip. Partly out of principle, and partly because there's no reason for a mandatory gratuity. What's the difference between a 6-table and 3 couples?
Out of "principle"? I'm curious...what is this principle?
That forcing me to pay a 'gratuity' is bullshit. Clearly.
Actually, any time a restaurant says anything about tipping anywhere on the menu/bill/anywhere, I almost automatically tip less. Probably still a fair amount, but definitely less. People have gotten far too self-entitled about these things.
Actually, I voted yes because it says it is a mandatory tip.
Most restaurants tips aren't mandatory, but since this one was all I can say is they they just shouldn't go back. If the tip isn't mandatory I wouldn't tip if the service was as bad as they claim.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong; I don't think any restaurant should have a mandatory tip, but in the bizarre case where there is one, I wouldn't refuse if I was going to be arrested.
Need more anti-americanism post with no content in here. =\
The facts of the matter are: mandatory gratuity on parties larger than x are common here, that was the case at this restaurant(i'm 99% sure it was printed on the menu), and they are obviously legally responsible for their bill.
However, it does give the restaurant bad press, and any competent manager should offer to pick up the bill, or at least drop the gratuity if the customers explained the situation.
So basically, the establishment is 100% correct here from a legal standpoint.
On November 20 2009 08:47 TimmyMac wrote: Oh, and if a gratuity is mandated, I almost always leave little-no tip. Partly out of principle, and partly because there's no reason for a mandatory gratuity. What's the difference between a 6-table and 3 couples?
Do you know if the mandatory gratuity still goes directly to the waiters?
Oh this is perfect payback against that pub, now that EVERYONE fucking knows about it and its poor service+ shitty management. You bet ur ass that next time i eat anywhere close to that area, im making sure its not that eatery, and telling all my friends not to go there. Imagine if they go bust, especially in this economy, I would laugh my ass off.
On November 20 2009 09:02 meeple wrote: I knew tipping was expected in American culture, but I didn't know that you could be arrested for skipping out on a tip.
Again how is it not clear, they were skipping out on part of their bill, because the restaurant charges an additional 18% on parties over 6. Yeah, its bullshit that they call it a gratuity, but thats how it works
On November 20 2009 08:47 TimmyMac wrote: Oh, and if a gratuity is mandated, I almost always leave little-no tip. Partly out of principle, and partly because there's no reason for a mandatory gratuity. What's the difference between a 6-table and 3 couples?
Do you know if the mandatory gratuity still goes directly to the waiters?
It may be called a gratuity, but it's part of the bill. I think involving the police was stupid, however, usually menus or something will say that they charge an extra percentage with parties of a certain number. I think they should have paid the whole thing.
During a TL dinner at Blizzcon, we had a party of about 20. They didn't have a big enough table to seat us, so they just gave us 4 tables in a line that were close enough together. However, they billed us by table, and I think that since they were billing us by table, we should have been exempt from the 15% gratuity, but we weren't. It was weird though, they had two extra charges on the bill, for over an extra 25% on the bill, in "gratuity". We took it as a mandatory tip, paid the bill, and left nothing extra.
On November 20 2009 09:05 Pawsom wrote: Need more anti-americanism post with no content in here. =\
The facts of the matter are: mandatory gratuity on parties larger than x are common here, that was the case at this restaurant(i'm 99% sure it was printed on the menu), and they are obviously legally responsible for their bill.
However, it does give the restaurant bad press, and any competent manager should offer to pick up the bill, or at least drop the gratuity if the customers explained the situation.
So basically, the establishment is 100% correct here from a legal standpoint.
Funny I was a server for like 11 months to a year and we have that same little shit on our menus charged 20% for parties 8 or more. But if a group of people paid us less we didn't call the cops nor did we run after them. We accepted it and just moved on trying harder.
No gratuities aren't part of the bill. Thats like saying "Hey this guy's meal is on your tab. I mean hey, its a bill man you gotta pay or we're calling the cops." I'd gladly tell them to call the cops because A)Im not paying for shit that I didn't intend too(like paying for shitty service.) and B)There is no law that states I have to pay a mandatory gratuity.
On November 20 2009 09:05 Pawsom wrote: Need more anti-americanism post with no content in here. =\
The facts of the matter are: mandatory gratuity on parties larger than x are common here, that was the case at this restaurant(i'm 99% sure it was printed on the menu), and they are obviously legally responsible for their bill.
However, it does give the restaurant bad press, and any competent manager should offer to pick up the bill, or at least drop the gratuity if the customers explained the situation.
So basically, the establishment is 100% correct here from a legal standpoint.
Another thing I hate about America: the legalization of assholish practices, and the excuse every idiot has to be an asshole because "there's no law saying you can't".
On November 20 2009 07:29 FrozenArbiter wrote: ..... Why the fuck do you still call it "gratuity" if it's something you are legally obligated to pay?
Main Entry: gra·tu·ity Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-tē, -ˈtyü-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural gra·tu·ities Date: 1540 : something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : tip
Retarded.
Pretty much sums up my stance on this issue. Change the terminology and make it mandatory or whatever but don't call the police on something like that...
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