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Seriously guys, the concept of tips is to reward waiter and waitresses for their good service. The amount of tip usually have a positive correlation with the quality of the service. Of course there are retards who won't pay any tips, but tips are tips, they are to show gratitude for the waiter/waitress. People usually give about 10 ~ 15% of the total cost for the tip, but people are not obligated to pay tips. Tips are forms of gratitude. If a waiter or waitress doesn't get any tip, then it just shows that he or she did a poor job and doesn't deserve being tipped.
Some countries like Japan don't even have the whole tipping system as they believe that waiter and waitress are getting paid for their job so they must work as hard as possible. If they do a good job at work, instead of getting tips, they get to keep their job.
The whole tip thing has become so fucking retarded in the United States that incidents like these happen. You are not obligated to pay the fucking tip, I do because I know how hard people work to earn money, but there are times when I just don't pay tip at all because service was just so bad. People have forgotten about my order and stuff before, but they usually compensate by giving me a free meal and things like that, but in this case, the store didn't even compensate the customers for the shit service that they received. Therefore, in this case, the couple shouldn't of have to pay the tip. Tip isn't regarded as a obligated thing in America, so saying that you HAVE to pay tip is complete bullshit. In this case, since they had to pay for the service, the store should of put in their menu that there will be a fucking service fee instead of calling it a "tip." There is no such thing as a mandatory tip and calling it a tip just tricks people, so the manager should be taken to court for false advertisement.
I just watched the video, and it said that it was a "mandatory gratuity." There is no such thing as a "mandatory gratuity" as "gratuity" is usually up to oneself to give or not. They should call it "mandatory service fee required" instead of "mandatory gratuity" those fucktarts.
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On November 21 2009 11:52 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 11:27 lvatural wrote:On November 21 2009 11:18 lMPERVlOUS wrote:On November 21 2009 10:43 lvatural wrote:
The tip was a mandatory service fee which just happened to be called a 'gratuity'.
And what exactly is a `gratuity` in your mind..... Gratuity = Voluntary. Look it up if you don`t believe me, either that, or look at the first page again..... Service Fee = Mandatory. Mandatory != Voluntary Therefore, Gratuity != Service Fee. Any other conclusion is just dumb..... It`s just another idiocy created and brought to light by none-other than the United States of America, and the people residing in that country..... You focus too much on the word 'gratuity'. It doesn't matter what the dictionary says, all that matters is how the business defines it. If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a horse have? The answer is still 4. Because calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one. Calling a mandatory service fee a 'gratuity' doesn't magically turn it into something that it isn't. Words are meant to portray a certain meaning...don't let the words themselves define what is trying to be portrayed. It may be a bit distasteful for the business to call a mandatory fee a gratuity but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's called false advertising. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising#Regulation_and_enforcement
You're making quite a bit of unwarranted assumptions to charge them of false advertising.
This is what I'm basically saying:
Let's say below is the clause and it's somehow reasonably made known to the customers.
"A gratuity charge of 10% will be applied to customers of party size exceeding 4"
Does saying the word 'gratuity' make it one? Of course not, it's a mandatory service fee that's simply called one.
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ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
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On November 21 2009 12:12 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 11:52 furymonkey wrote:On November 21 2009 11:27 lvatural wrote:On November 21 2009 11:18 lMPERVlOUS wrote:On November 21 2009 10:43 lvatural wrote:
The tip was a mandatory service fee which just happened to be called a 'gratuity'.
And what exactly is a `gratuity` in your mind..... Gratuity = Voluntary. Look it up if you don`t believe me, either that, or look at the first page again..... Service Fee = Mandatory. Mandatory != Voluntary Therefore, Gratuity != Service Fee. Any other conclusion is just dumb..... It`s just another idiocy created and brought to light by none-other than the United States of America, and the people residing in that country..... You focus too much on the word 'gratuity'. It doesn't matter what the dictionary says, all that matters is how the business defines it. If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a horse have? The answer is still 4. Because calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one. Calling a mandatory service fee a 'gratuity' doesn't magically turn it into something that it isn't. Words are meant to portray a certain meaning...don't let the words themselves define what is trying to be portrayed. It may be a bit distasteful for the business to call a mandatory fee a gratuity but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's called false advertising. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising#Regulation_and_enforcement You're making quite a bit of unwarranted assumptions to charge them of false advertising. This is what I'm basically saying: Let's say below is the clause and it's somehow reasonably made known to the customers. "A gratuity charge of 10% will be applied to customers of party size exceeding 4"
Does saying the word 'gratuity' make it one? Of course not, it's a mandatory service fee that's simply called one.
Change `gratuity` in that sentence into something more suiting, like `something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service` (which is the definition according to Merriam-Webster) and you`ll see why it`s so fucking stupid.
"A something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service charge of 10% will be applied to customers of party size exceeding 4"
Something given voluntary or beyond obligation is being forced? Pretty fucking stupid..... That actually sounds like theft..... not to mention misleading, and blatantly lying in their advertisements.....
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
lol that restaurant is so fucked now, getting publicly humiliated and losing face
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Well look at that.
Too bad that probably didn't really affect businesses in that area that do charge a 'mandatory gratuity'. They'll simply call it something else and charge for the exact same thing.
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Its actually not false advertising, it is deceptive and misleading conduct; the two are very similar but have slightly different penalties.
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Mandatory tip is an oxymoron anyways.
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The notion of levying an extra fee on large parties seems irrational to me. On the contrary, most places where I've been in a party of 10+ we would call in advance, get a discount for being such a large party (5-10% usually) and enjoy ourselves. 25 people entering a restaurant is a nice sum of money to make for any restaurant: exploit this as a customer, and say that if you're eating here, you won't be paying damn 'gratuity' (I'm with those who say that the words is stupid). Then it's the restaurants call whether it wants to make 500$ or lose 600$.
Of course when all the restaurants decide to fuck people with their pants on the system is inherently fucked up. Pay your waiters more, and I'll tip them if they do good. In Denmark waiters earn som 18-20$ minimum and service is very rarely bad. lol at 2.13$/h - why the fuck would people want to work for that, even with tips?
EDIT: From wikipedia: Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold
'What do you make an hour?' 'Nothing, but the tipping is good' -.-
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Some places have a mandatory tip fee. Pay it, or don't go there... "Nearly and hour" Give me a F***n break, almost all classy resturaunts take close to an hour to get a nice meal ready. Don't like the wait? Go to McDonalds you broke ass bitch.
Post Script,
I do not think they should be arrested for that though, that's something that could have been taken up with upper management.
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On November 21 2009 21:24 Rambling. wrote:
Some places have a mandatory tip fee. Pay it, or don't go there... "Nearly and hour" Give me a F***n break, almost all classy resturaunts take close to an hour to get a nice meal ready. Don't like the wait? Go to McDonalds you broke ass bitch.
Post Script,
I do not think they should be arrested for that though, that's something that could have been taken up with upper management.
An hour? In most restaurants the starter you should come within 15 minutes if the kitchen knows what it's doing. An hour to prepare the main course sounds a bit over the top for me: having worked in a restaurant as a dishwasher, the aim was less than 40 minutes for a main course.
Example:
18:50: Arrival
19:00: Orders placed
19:15: Starters served
19:30 starters finished:
19:45: Main course served
20:15: Dessert cart is passed around
20:20: Desserts are ordered
20:35: Desserts are served
etc.
An hour is way, WAY too much to wait for food, unless you specifically enter a slow-food restaurant.
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On November 21 2009 21:24 Rambling. wrote:
Some places have a mandatory tip fee. Pay it, or don't go there... "Nearly and hour" Give me a F***n break, almost all classy resturaunts take close to an hour to get a nice meal ready. Don't like the wait? Go to McDonalds you broke ass bitch.
Post Script,
I do not think they should be arrested for that though, that's something that could have been taken up with upper management.
Nearly an hour? Come on, thats definitely not true.. not in canada or anywhere else around the world. Even if you are right, the place that couple visited is probably nowhere near classy thus it shouldn't take that long.
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On November 21 2009 21:24 Rambling. wrote:
Some places have a mandatory tip fee. Pay it, or don't go there... "Nearly and hour" Give me a F***n break, almost all classy resturaunts take close to an hour to get a nice meal ready. Don't like the wait? Go to McDonalds you broke ass bitch.
Post Script,
I do not think they should be arrested for that though, that's something that could have been taken up with upper management.
They waited an hour for chicken fingers and french fries. It takes less than fifteen minutes to make french fries. -_-
mandatory tip is a fucking oxymoron
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On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear.
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I wonder how many people know that waiters actually get TAXED on their expected tip by the federal government. So if you leave without tipping in America, the waiters are actually getting money taken out of their paycheck they never received.
Of course, in the long run they'll make money either way, but they are taxed at around 8% income tax on the value of the bills (or something of that sort). So not taxing not only fucks them over, but cuts into their pay checks!
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What I don't get is if the tip is mandatory then they should just raise the price of the food and just put "Tip included in bill". When I buy my food I get a bill with one number - the price, including the tax etc. So simple.
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On November 22 2009 19:01 ViruX wrote:
What I don't get is if the tip is mandatory then they should just raise the price of the food and just put "Tip included in bill". When I buy my food I get a bill with one number - the price, including the tax etc. So simple.
It's because tip is ONLY mandatory on large parties, and the reasoning is large parties typically will skimp on tips when it's actually HARDER to manage large parties. Usually 6-8+ parties. I have never in my life seen a tip required for parties of say 4 or under.
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lol. wait an hour for food and then get arrested? I would probably kill someone
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
^_^
But seriously - anyone wanting to argue semantics and how it's mandatory; that's under the assumption that the business in question is living up to their end of it, which they clearly weren't. I wouldn't care if it's on the menu or not, I wouldn't pay for crap service either.
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