EPTbusy isnt an excuse you tard.
Arrested for not paying tip - Page 11
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
busy isnt an excuse you tard. | ||
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
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sith
United States2474 Posts
Now that's probably straight up wrong, but I think it still holds. Tips should not be a mandatory part of someones wage, they should be given based on performance, and in this case performance was really shitty, so no tip for you! (read in seinfeld soup nazi voice) | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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TwoStep
United States294 Posts
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
and this restaurant is fucked now, good ridance | ||
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SixSongs
Poland1455 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 21 2009 10:22 thopol wrote: I'm against tipping as a whole. I think employers should pay their employees more instead. If they want it to be performance-based, the employer should tip them. I pay the business, the business pays its employees. I don't get it. That makes no sense. The judge of the performance is the patron. The employer is not going to have a supervisor for every table to see how well the server is doing and tip them accordingly. If the employer pays the waiter then there is no incentive for great service since the waiter gets paid either way. Why work hard if you get the same hourly wage anyway? | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On November 21 2009 09:57 SixSongs wrote: Im a waiter myself. And it's really annoying when people pay little or no tip even for good service. I've had costumers who were extra happy and still paying like 0 tip. I mean waiters make money that way, if u go to the restaurant and spend money on food and drink have a decency to leave the tip. Otherwise eat at home!!!!!!!!!!!! If you do your job, even poorly you will get a tip from me. It's size will indicate how satisfied I am. If you were average (didn't greatly impress or disappoint) I will tip 15%. If however I have to do your job for you, you forget to bring my meal, or you do something that pisses me off you will receive either a very small tip, or no tip if I leave pissed off. The fact that this thing is called a gratuity is bullshit, and it seemed obvious to me that the restaurant didn't offer to comp the food, otherwise why would they call the police. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
The tip was a mandatory service fee which just happened to be called a 'gratuity'. Why are people even talking about tip% and whether or not people should tip in the first place? Such things aren't related to the article in any way. If the menu price of a hamburger is $10, you pay $10 regardless if you liked the hamburger or not. The same goes with a mandatory service fee. Business can charge what they want and customers have the right to purchase what they want. If you don't want to pay the mandatory fee then eat elsewhere. It's as simple as that. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4209 Posts
On November 21 2009 10:43 lvatural wrote: The tip was a mandatory service fee which just happened to be called a 'gratuity'. And what exactly is a `gratuity` in your mind..... Gratuity = Voluntary. Look it up if you don`t believe me, either that, or look at the first page again..... Service Fee = Mandatory. Mandatory != Voluntary Therefore, Gratuity != Service Fee. Any other conclusion is just dumb..... It`s just another idiocy created and brought to light by none-other than the United States of America, and the people residing in that country..... | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On November 21 2009 11:18 lMPERVlOUS wrote: And what exactly is a `gratuity` in your mind..... Gratuity = Voluntary. Look it up if you don`t believe me, either that, or look at the first page again..... Service Fee = Mandatory. Mandatory != Voluntary Therefore, Gratuity != Service Fee. Any other conclusion is just dumb..... It`s just another idiocy created and brought to light by none-other than the United States of America, and the people residing in that country..... it's a gratuity at 90% of restaurants. it's a gratuity at the restaurant these people were at for parties of 1-4 people (I GUARANTEE IT) the party they were in exceeded a certain number, which enacted a mandatory tip (i hate this as much as anyone) i don't mind tipping, though, as waitresses are the top job for single mothers. those babies have to eat somehow. should these people go to jail? no are they going to regret paying 500$ bond over 16$? probably | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 21 2009 11:18 lMPERVlOUS wrote: And what exactly is a `gratuity` in your mind..... Gratuity = Voluntary. Look it up if you don`t believe me, either that, or look at the first page again..... Service Fee = Mandatory. Mandatory != Voluntary Therefore, Gratuity != Service Fee. Any other conclusion is just dumb..... It`s just another idiocy created and brought to light by none-other than the United States of America, and the people residing in that country..... You focus too much on the word 'gratuity'. It doesn't matter what the dictionary says, all that matters is how the business defines it. If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a horse have? The answer is still 4. Because calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one. Calling a mandatory service fee a 'gratuity' doesn't magically turn it into something that it isn't. Words are meant to portray a certain meaning...don't let the words themselves define what is trying to be portrayed. It may be a bit distasteful for the business to call a mandatory fee a gratuity but that doesn't change the fact that it is. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On November 21 2009 11:18 lMPERVlOUS wrote: And what exactly is a `gratuity` in your mind..... Gratuity = Voluntary. Look it up if you don`t believe me, either that, or look at the first page again..... Service Fee = Mandatory. Mandatory != Voluntary Therefore, Gratuity != Service Fee. Any other conclusion is just dumb..... It`s just another idiocy created and brought to light by none-other than the United States of America, and the people residing in that country..... oh my god you're a genius! | ||
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Impervious
Canada4209 Posts
It`s not my fault that the waiter/waitress situation in the USA is so fucking stupid. And it`s starting to spread here. I`ve seen `mandatory gratuities`here in Canada recently..... And we don`t have a ridiculously low minimum wage for waiters/waitresses here..... Granted, it`s incredibly rare to have bad service here, and when the service is bad, the problems always seem to get sorted out quickly and effectively, but trying to force someone to do something which is supposed to be voluntary - that`s just dumb. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On November 21 2009 11:27 lvatural wrote: You focus too much on the word 'gratuity'. It doesn't matter what the dictionary says, all that matters is how the business defines it. If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a horse have? The answer is still 4. Because calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one. Calling a mandatory service fee a 'gratuity' doesn't magically turn it into something that it isn't. Words are meant to portray a certain meaning...don't let the words themselves define what is trying to be portrayed. It may be a bit distasteful for the business to call a mandatory fee a gratuity but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's called false advertising. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising#Regulation_and_enforcement | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
Yo, there is one thing that everyone in the service industry should know: The customer is ALWAYS right. Like others in the thread have said, this is horrible publicity for the pub. It's just idiotic to chase $16 this way. We've called the cops before on people who walked out on their bill, but not if they just refused to pay the tip. That's obviously a failure on the business's part when the customer is that unhappy. | ||
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