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On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear.
lol how come church goers tip less? o _O
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Because they give all their change over to the church at mass.
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1), Were they 8 people eating and drinkning and celebrating, and the check was on 73$?
Were did they eat, Burger king?
2) This might sound controversial, but IN MY EXPERIENCE, working as a waiter/bartender for 6 years in a bunch of different countries (ie both usa and europe) ; churchgoers are actually tipping less and jews are barely tipping at all.
I tried to read the whole thread but dont have enough time;
Mandatory gratuity for big parties is that it hurts more for the waiter to have a group of 10 neglect the tip, then a group of 2 and when you are in a group and order food and whatever drinks and coffe and cognad, two situations may occur:
People just look at the bill and say "allright everybody throw in x amount and were good."
People start to count what they ate, drank and forgets about a sideorder,a coffe and so on, so when they count again; there is just enough money, and everybody said they payed theire share and more.
I had another thing to say but i forgot.
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On November 22 2009 20:35 jfazz wrote:
Because they give all their change over to the church at mass.
While that might be true, even in situations where the tip isnt based on the amount of change they have, they pay less.
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On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear.
wow, i dont care? its not my job to pay them a salary, its the manager/owner/host whatever. im only gonna pay for the food, let the EMPLOYER pay the EMPLOYEES. or do the logical thing and abolish this tip nonsense and pay them higher.
even if they get payed shit wages, its still a tip. optional
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On November 22 2009 21:33 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear. wow, i dont care? its not my job to pay them a salary, its the manager/owner/host whatever. im only gonna pay for the food, let the EMPLOYER pay the EMPLOYEES. or do the logical thing and abolish this tip nonsense and pay them higher. even if they get payed shit wages, its still a tip. optional
Thats taking advantage of the system, and yes, it IS your job to pay them salary. Maybe you dont realise that with that system, they cut down the prices on food and drinks, and generally if you are a waiter/waitress in america they DO tend to make everything they can in order for you to have a good time, so if someone are having a bad day and not checking on my drink often enough will you freak out and dont tip them for the sake of a couple of dollars just to "prove the point that they did wrong?
But, as you say, the logical thing would be to raise the salary, wich will never happen.
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This is retarded! Why the hell should they be arrested for that?
Accidentaly voted yes, but god damn, that was soooo stupid.
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On November 20 2009 07:45 Hawk wrote:
Whether it's right or wrong, mandatory gratuity is a very common practice and is clearly printed on the menus before you order anything. This isn't being arrested for not tipping. It's not paying your bill. The article and op are misleading.
No such thing.
Mandatory:
authoritatively ordered; obligatory; compulsory: It is mandatory that all students take two years of math.
Gratuity
something given without claim or obligation
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On November 22 2009 22:28 Pingvinen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2009 21:33 JohnColtrane wrote:On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear. wow, i dont care? its not my job to pay them a salary, its the manager/owner/host whatever. im only gonna pay for the food, let the EMPLOYER pay the EMPLOYEES. or do the logical thing and abolish this tip nonsense and pay them higher. even if they get payed shit wages, its still a tip. optional Thats taking advantage of the system, and yes, it IS your job to pay them salary. Maybe you dont realise that with that system, they cut down the prices on food and drinks, and generally if you are a waiter/waitress in america they DO tend to make everything they can in order for you to have a good time, so if someone are having a bad day and not checking on my drink often enough will you freak out and dont tip them for the sake of a couple of dollars just to "prove the point that they did wrong? But, as you say, the logical thing would be to raise the salary, wich will never happen.
no they dont "cut down" the prices on food and drinks. they just seperate some of the overall prices to make a number look smaller to trick you into thinking something is cheap eventhough it is not. its a scam. why dont they split the cooks work too? why dont they split the transport cost too? so in the end you would only see the price for the raw food. its a fucking idiotic system but americans dont get such stuff as they are too business protecting.
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On November 22 2009 20:52 Pingvinen wrote:
1), Were they 8 people eating and drinkning and celebrating, and the check was on 73$?
Were did they eat, Burger king?
They had like 4 kids and they eat less so yea.
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On November 22 2009 21:33 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear. wow, i dont care? its not my job to pay them a salary, its the manager/owner/host whatever. im only gonna pay for the food, let the EMPLOYER pay the EMPLOYEES. or do the logical thing and abolish this tip nonsense and pay them higher. even if they get payed shit wages, its still a tip. optional
that's cool, you're a real rebel. how about you serve yourself then? because people won't be waiting on you for 2 bucks an hour.
the point of a tip is to increase the level of service you get. waiters are the face of the restaurant if their pay wasn't subject to how the customer viewed them do you think you'd receive the same level of service? how often does the manager or the cook come out and see you? the waiters give you good service because they can't survive without it. you in turn spit on them? you're kind of a piece of shit, you realize that right?
you talk about logic but you seem to lack it.
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On November 22 2009 20:17 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear. lol how come church goers tip less? o _O
no idea, I just know from talking with waiters/ex-waiters that church goers tend to be overly stingy.
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So, it's unlawful to not tip when you get a shitty service?
Fucking fail.
People shouldn't get arrested just because they don't pay tips for shit services they receive.
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On November 23 2009 10:52 kaizenmx wrote:
So, it's unlawful to not tip when you get a shitty service?
Fucking fail.
no
i'm pretty sure it's unlawful to not pay your bill though
it's an interesting issue, i tried doing some research on it but i fail at using lexisnexis... :S i only got like 3 hits, none of which talk about Pa =s
but hey at least i can tell you in Virginia, gratuities (mandatory or otherwise) are now exempt from tax (assuming it's less than 20%) so those saying that waiters get taxed on expected tip (and thus by not tipping you're kind of stealing their money) are not entirely correct! 
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lol that's freaking outrageous.
I'd never bother with restaurants that REQUIRE tips, just doesn't make sense.
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On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear. They can't seriously make that little minus tips. How is that legal?
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On November 23 2009 11:19 zobz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear. They can't seriously make that little minus tips. How is that legal?
According to the Fair Labor Standards Act, tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages. from the US Department of Labor
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Having waited for several years during college I know how crazy things can get in a restaurant. I was quite good at the job and sometimes even I gave "bad" service (it wasn't as bad as this article). It's something that happens to the best of servers and that is something that everyone needs to understand. Myself I would never refuse to tip someone, I would say a 5% tip would be as low as I would go. Believe me when you get a 5% tip after you gave a table bad service you feel shitty. That said, there's no way that people should get arrested for refusing to tip, that's just crazy. It's exceptionally clear that the restaurant didn't offer to comp their meals though, the people wouldn't have fought if that was the case.
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On November 23 2009 11:28 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2009 11:19 zobz wrote:On November 22 2009 15:01 Pioneer wrote:On November 21 2009 12:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
ive never and will never pay a stupid tip to someone just because they did their job well. its why they are getting fucking payed, if they didnt do their job they wouldnt get their wage.
should anyone working in hospitality or customer service always get tips ? how about musicians, actors or even fucking potato farmers? if they did a good job growing potatos should he be able to enforce a tip? no fuck that, its a stupid system. tips should never be mandatory.
fair enough if i go to the US i would tip since its customary there and its not my country but i still dont think its the right thing to do. if anyone demanded a tip from me in australia i would laugh
People tip in america because waiters/waitresses usually get on average $1.50 to $2.00 an hour. That's far below minimum wage. It's not just some traditional thing to do. If you talk to most waiters they'll say they hate sundays because church goers tend to not tip or tip far below the 10% average regardless of how good the service was. It's not as customary as it may appear. They can't seriously make that little minus tips. How is that legal? Show nested quote +According to the Fair Labor Standards Act, tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages. from the US Department of Labor
Oh, they raised it, my mom made sub 2 dollars when she waited a when she was younger.
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