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On October 28 2009 00:56 Badjas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 00:38 Manit0u wrote:
Mankind has 2 very cool features as a species:
- adaptability
- survivality
Haha.. you know, every species that exist today, fits that description. Otherwise, they would be extinct. I love evolution... it is so rational. But I agree with the spirit of your post. Technological advancement will set us free. If only ethics based decisions won't stand in progress' way. The only thing I gotta learn is to not freak out when a cow starts talking to me about my dinner plans.
Actually, most of the species that exist today can't adapt to changing environments. They sure as hell are greatly adapted for the environment they're currently in, but that's it. Move polar bears to Sahara and see how well they'll do...
And ethics won't be of any matter as soon as people will finally see the truth and accept it. We must think about human beings first, everything else is secondary to this priority.
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this thread is L O L approved
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On October 28 2009 02:13 scintilliaSD wrote:
Many modernized countries are suffering from zero or negative population growth these days, I heard. It's developing countries that continue to have high birth and death rates. As death rates decline in a country as it develops, birth rates decline as well. A large reason of population boom is a result of many countries developing in a short period of time, where the birth rates and death rates have not yet equalized.
First world countries are experiencing such large quantities of immigration because they have such low population growth. The problem is, however, that such a net flux of people from poor nations to rich nations eventually stops once the poor nation stops being disadvantaged.
Simply put: 'Modern' society needs to import cheap workers, which means its being subsidized, in part, by the high birthrate of other areas. Add to that the fact that areas that aren't 'modern' want to become modern, and you see that there's a problem growing that needs to be dealt with now before it explodes in 30-60 years.
But that's secondary to the real problem; current consumption rates are unsustainable and our world population by 2050 is going to be roughly 1.5x the size it is now, and many nations are pushing to hit first world standards of living. If china alone hits that mark, the environmental impact of the human population will double. And that's in china, where the population is set to go into a net decline at 2030 because of their birth policy. Take india, who doesn't have the same controls and the numbers go off the charts into the 'oh fuck this is bad' zone.
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On October 28 2009 01:46 Railxp wrote:
Solution: Get the government to stop subsidizing meat.
Meat as of now costs much less than it should. If the price correctly reflected the actual costs to produce meat, restaurants would order less of it and people would also think twice before ordering a meat dish. You wouldn't have to go vegetarian just to save the world, everyone would naturally eat less meat because taste vs cost it is not worth it.
Wrong solution.
Get the government to stop subsidizing GRAINS AND CORN.
Right now they're subsidizing grains and corn.... to feed livestock.... which they are subsidizing to get us meat.
Grow something else with the land for grains and corn. Grass feed livestock.
Plus, GRASS FED CATTLE produce HEATHIER MEAT. And guess what... is SUSTAINABLE.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15023647
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16500874
Anyway, I'm still eating meat so whatever. :\
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What about eating human meat? I know it's technically still meat, but I would slowly be eliminating one of the major causes of greenhouse gasses.
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wait.. as an ultra-liberal blah blah.. you are sacrificing one month of the year without meat to help save the planet? I tell you what.. today I won't have meat!
Baby steps!
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Katowice25012 Posts
Jeffrey Dahmer truly was one of Earth's finest environmentalists
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i cannot imagine a day without meat.
my brain is xeploding
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Saw this the other day, it's pretty interesting: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/
Ms. Keith was a practicing vegetarian (vegan) for twenty years, driven by her passion for kindness and justice for all creatures. She couldn’t bear the thought of even killing a garden slug, or, for that matter, even removing a garden slug from her garden to a place where something or someone else might kill it. Her years of compassionate avoidance of any foods of animal origin cost her her health. Her story of coming to grips with the realization that whatever she ate came as a consequence of some living being’s having to die form the matrix onto which her narrative hangs.
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I don't understand, if there are too many cows farting shouldn't we eat MORE meat as to kill the cows faster?
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I am cheering you all on but there are a couple guilty pleasures which I simply cannot give up, one of them being meat and the other being gaming.
I drive a fuel efficient car, use the bare minimum electricity, recycle, am very conscious about how much water I use and dont smoke.
While there is always more you can do for the world not eating meat is something I could never do.
Good luck to the rest of you!
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On October 28 2009 03:13 psion0011 wrote:
I don't understand, if there are too many cows farting shouldn't we eat MORE meat as to kill the cows faster?
LOL
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I'm not a vegetarian, but i do understand that it's only a massive leap in cognitive dissonance that allows me not to feel bad about it.
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On October 28 2009 03:13 psion0011 wrote:
I don't understand, if there are too many cows farting shouldn't we eat MORE meat as to kill the cows faster?
think of how many millions of millions of cows are grown just so people can eat them
they aren't gonna re-produce on their own that quick
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i accept =D!. ill try to last as long as possible as a new vegan ._.;;. btw is fish included in the op about how it emits methane?
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On October 27 2009 21:07 BlackJack wrote:
The majority of this forum believes that the threat of global warming is real and that humans play a major role in causing it so it's time to put your meat where your mouth isn't.
up my ass?
Edit: wait... what meat are we talking about here
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The water wasted raising meat is the huge issue.
With vegetables/fruit/nuts/beans... you just have to water the plant. With Livestock, you have to grow their feed, feed them for years, give them water to drink and- a ton of water is used just to "wash" away their waste and package the food. Its called the "water footprint" of food, and its essentially a mark of the Efficency of eating something.
Per LB of food, water consumption to produce=
Apples -- 83 gallons
Cucumber -- 28 gallons
Potatoes -- 30 gallons
vs.
Beef -- 2500-5000 gallons
Chicken -- 815 gallons
Pork -- 1630 gallons
Source: + Show Spoiler +http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/06/from-lettuce-to-beef-whats-water-footprint-of-your-food.php
...these are some conservative figures from others that I have seen.You dont need to be a statistician to figure that we could feed more people, more health food, on less land using less water if we just ate LESS meat. Not even NO meat, but just less.
The carbon footprint and waste produced, and dead zones in the sea caused by Eutrophication + Show Spoiler +http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutrophication
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ill help out by eating those methane producing cows, pigs, and chickens.
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On October 28 2009 00:40 Whiplash wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/bigpot6.jpg)
Ditto.
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eating animals does make you big and strong tho.
spoiler contains Meet your Meat video. PETA
watch at your own discretion plz, pretty disturbing.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Meat is murder.
Tasty, tasty murder...
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