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It's not the issue of pollution here. What's really at stake is the humanity. The dilemma: What's more important, us, or the environment?
Environmentalists want humanity to tighten its bond with environment.
People like me want to sever it completely.
Mankind has 2 very cool features as a species:
- adaptability
- survivality
When we learned how to bend nature to our will (it's not perfected yet) we got free of most living organisms problem: your environment changes drastically/perishes - you perish too.
Personally, I couldn't care less if all other species would die, or if our planet would get destroyed. I believe in mankind. I believe that when this planet won't be able to sustain us any more or it will become inhospitable for us, we will already be colonizing other planets, have cybernetic bodies or develop other means of not caring what happens to Earth and its wildlife/plants etc.
This is progress, this is the future. You can not stop this. Embrace it!
Human kind forever!
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I actually own this shirt. I will wear it proudly and eat three times my normal meat for this month to counterbalance the vegetarianism in this thread.
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Canada9720 Posts
you actually own the shirt. wow!
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I can't believe nobody responded to my well timed Maddox input!(although by definition no Maddox input can possibly be ill-timed.)
I stand corrected. Another wise sage felt the need to utilize Maddox's creative genius too. 
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Yeah, I don't believe in global warming. It's a good idea to give up meat anyways; health reasons mainly.
Remember to get your protein though, man... If you are going be one those vegetarians eating pasta with tomato sauce, don't do it.
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On October 28 2009 00:38 Manit0u wrote:
Mankind has 2 very cool features as a species:
- adaptability
- survivality
Haha.. you know, every species that exist today, fits that description. Otherwise, they would be extinct. I love evolution... it is so rational.
But I agree with the spirit of your post. Technological advancement will set us free. If only ethics based decisions won't stand in progress' way.
The only thing I gotta learn is to not freak out when a cow starts talking to me about my dinner plans.
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On October 27 2009 21:24 tirentu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2009 21:17 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Does not eating meat somehow make you really skinny over time? Is that why they need to take these weird supplements with every meal, everyday (pretty much replacing what meat provided)? Yay for people not being educated about vegetarian/veganism! All the nutrients you need (except for vitamin B12) can be found in more than acceptable amounts in non-meat foods. B12 is necessary for accelerated brain functioning, and can be taken occasionally as a supplement. There's no nutritional downside to not eating meat - we don't need that much protein. That said, I'm not giving up meat because it's delicious. I don't always eat it, because I tend to prefer other foods, but when I do, it's fucking awesome.
Yeah you don't find alot of B6 and other vitamins in a vegetarian diet either. Tests have been made on how much of the actual vitamin content in food that our bodies take up and the bioavailability isn't that good for some vitamins, so don't expect do be sufficient in vitamin B6 either.
The problem is that protein in vegetarian food seldom is as good as protein found in meat. If you want decent protein you will have to mix sources, for example wheat + milk or kidney beans + soy beans etc.
People in general have really bad education in nutrition it seems, so if you don't want to be lethargic and get deficient in several vitamins, you will be have to be quite aware of what you are eating. I guess this applies much more to someone with an active life, but if you're just sitting at home playing computer games all day it's not as important.
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On October 27 2009 21:12 scintilliaSD wrote:
Somehow I doubt choosing not to eat meat will impact how much livestock is raised and slaughtered on a daily basis.
supply and demand fail?
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Humans are carnivores not herbivores. Meat is the best concentrated source of protein. If you are a fully grown adult I guess its not as important to get plenty of protein; but if you have kids or young family don't force them to vegetarianism it will stunt there growth unless they take supplements and get the protein they require. No only the body but brain needs protein a lot of going with lesser amounts is the good way to reduce your APM! And thats whats important after all.
And its aeroplanes, cars, power stations that are the most harmful.
If we turned fully to fruit & veg we'd have the problem of polluting the oceans more crushing more of the sea life.
What should happen is a few years ban on fishing that would replenish the oceans and help clean them up as more fish = cleaner ocean surprisingly.
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On October 28 2009 00:47 Track wrote:I can't believe nobody responded to my well timed Maddox input!(although by definition no Maddox input can possibly be ill-timed.) I stand corrected. Another wise sage felt the need to utilize Maddox's creative genius too.
And the first thing I was going to do once I saw this thread was post that picture and link to the article. You guys beat me to it.
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Canada9720 Posts
everyone here has heard of maddox. he's stupid, you're all stupid.
glad we sorted that out
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Also at the op, there is a way easier solution to this which Australian farmers have been working on for some time. You see the reason everyone always goes on about beef and methane is because cows produce loads of methane, a disproportionately high amount. It's not that meat is intrinsically bad, it's that methane is bad and cows suck. However kangaroos have an almost unique digestive system which is pretty much methane free. So if you're being a veggie to avoid methane in the production of food then feel free to go on a roo burger binge. Assuming of course that the co2 production in shipping from Australia isn't a problem.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7551125.stm
And now to undermine my point with a retarded quote from the above article. According to Dr Wilson,
He said: "It tastes excellent, not unlike venison - only a different flavour."
That's right. If you like excellent tastes which are not not not unlike venison but are different to venison then eat roo.
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On October 28 2009 00:28 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2009 23:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On October 27 2009 23:48 Ingenol wrote:
My idea is that we all revert to neolithic days, living in caves and foraging daily for food. If we make a conscious effort to stop speaking and using our faculties of reason, we might devolve back into monkeys, thus allowing the Earth to revert to its original state. Maybe world governments can pass legislation to ensure everyone does this.
Termites are also responsible for a lot of CO2 emissions, so perhaps we can all start eating them and kill two birds with one stone? or how about we dont just see black and white? You dont have to go back to the stoneage, simply giving up some luxury would do a lot. Like not leaving on all your devices all the time and instead wait a lil longer for them to be ready for you, or not to do fun stuff that is clearly killing the environment like car racing, OOOH sorry, i forgot NEVER EVER cut down on fun because thats sacred. hahaha Did you know... Per bike at the tour the france there are over 2 cars/motorbikes? Where do you stop? You could also just forbid people to form up in large groupes for whatever reason, because at places with many people there is much pollution.
Did you know... Per car at a racing event there are way more than 2 cars/motorsbikes additionally to the car wasting a shitload of energy. Did you know... That high end sport is wasting a shitload of energy, as first priority in sport is always to win. Did you know.. Most of professional athletes give a fuck about the environment, eventhough they highly reliant on it. A good friend of mine is an upcomming professional ski athlete for the swiss team and he wrote a paper on how the swiss ski association gives a fuck on the environment eventhough they really need the fucking snow to do what they do, he earned nothing but laughs.
Where I stop? We could also kill 99% of human beings, but thats bullshit talk to bring up such gay arguments to question everything, just to kill the talk about it.
It's not a question about where to stop, but about what things should really be adressed. For an example take SUV cars. They are a typical example of a bullshit development (aka marketing dudes who have no clue about anything tell the engineers what to do). It is made for normal driving but also for offroading, oh sorry, I forgot, it sucks at both. This is shit that has no right to exist. ARGH, I also forgot, they are "fun", and "cool", and we never cut back on fun, damnit. You never wondered why they are called crossover now and not SUV anymore? Because SUV got that "bad vehicle" touch now and its not fitting into the trendy green image every company is trying to have nowadays.
Another example are batterys, you know them? Nice little round tubes you can buy everywhere, they will give you nice energy for a short ammount of time. You can put them into so many mobile device, really awesome. But did you know that for a shitload of time there are rechargeable batterys which you can use over and over and over again, still ppl buy the "cheaper" nonrechargeable batterys. Shit like this (batterys) should be forbidden as its an obvious waste just to serve an illogical conviniece.
We simply need to come back from our "fun society", everything has to be fun and shiny nowadays, it fucking sucks. I love to drive with a car, but I don't own a car because I dont need it. I love electronic devices (I work as electric engineer so I gotta have a passion for it), but I own only a celly and a laptop because I honestly question wether I need such a device or not. I don't crazyly turn up the heat in the winter like so many ppl and companys (i'm actually sitting in a T-Shirt on my computer and feeling hot AT THE END OF OCTOBER!) I rather wear my pullover, what a crazy dude I am huh? wearing winter cloths in the winter, really crazy.
With the meat I do it the same, I am no vegi at all (I once almost was, only ate saussaces) but I consciously look that I'm eating little meat. But I fucking love good meat, I should eat it all day long as money is not the issue, right? FUCK THAT!
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On October 28 2009 01:02 Adeeler wrote:
Humans are carnivores not herbivores. Meat is the best concentrated source of protein. If you are a fully grown adult I guess its not as important to get plenty of protein; but if you have kids or young family don't force them to vegetarianism it will stunt there growth unless they take supplements and get the protein they require. No only the body but brain needs protein a lot of going with lesser amounts is the good way to reduce your APM! And thats whats important after all.
And its aeroplanes, cars, power stations that are the most harmful.
If we turned fully to fruit & veg we'd have the problem of polluting the oceans more crushing more of the sea life.
What should happen is a few years ban on fishing that would replenish the oceans and help clean them up as more fish = cleaner ocean surprisingly.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define: omnivore
In terms of global emissions, agriculture is believed to be responsible for 25% of CO2, 65% of methane and 90% of nitrous oxide emitted
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On October 28 2009 01:02 Adeeler wrote:
Humans are carnivores not herbivores. Meat is the best concentrated source of protein. If you are a fully grown adult I guess its not as important to get plenty of protein; but if you have kids or young family don't force them to vegetarianism it will stunt there growth unless they take supplements and get the protein they require. No only the body but brain needs protein a lot of going with lesser amounts is the good way to reduce your APM! And thats whats important after all.
And its aeroplanes, cars, power stations that are the most harmful.
If we turned fully to fruit & veg we'd have the problem of polluting the oceans more crushing more of the sea life.
What should happen is a few years ban on fishing that would replenish the oceans and help clean them up as more fish = cleaner ocean surprisingly.
i don't know if you know what an omnivore is....but you should probably check that out
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I feel obligated to let everybody in this thread know that I was given the choice of vegetable still fry (wtf?), chicken, or shrimp for lunch...
...I chose chicken and shrimp and it feels good chomping down on some good mass-murdered poultry and seafood!
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Well gl on doing it for one month man, i tried once. Went to bed with my ex gf one night, i wake up chewing on her shoulder after having a dream of tearing the flesh off of it. Lol she looked so scared......
BUT yeah, lol gl i hope you fair better then i did!
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God is in the steak: My brazilian steakhouse experience and why i will never give up meat. ever.
On March 24 2008 02:09 decafchicken wrote:
My Gaucho: Brazilian Steakhouse Experience.
We arrived at the restaurant at 11:07 for our 11:00 reservation. The place is desolate, save a few of the tables. The decor consists of dark carpeted floors, tasteful wooden furnishings, and a wooden ceiling complementing a warmly lit, capacious dining area. We are seated at our table, near the salad bard. Before I dive into the eating, let me explain how this place works. For 20$ lunch or 40$ dinner, you are entitled to an all you can eat, not-your-average salad bar complete with everything from little balls of mozzarella to soups with such complex names I don't care to spell them at this time, to artichoke hearts. This is then followed by the main course, a smattering for steaks, beefs, chickens, and more (15 in total). You have a token that says "No, thank you" on one side, and "Yes, please" on the other. When you are ready for meat, you flip the token to the Yes side. There are cycles of Brazilian men adorned in gaucho attire: loose, fancy black pants tucked into boots, topped by a loose white dress shirt. These cowboys then go from table to table with a saber of a given meat, which they will cut for you if you want some, which you then grab with your pair of tongs. Rinse and repeat till you explode.
Now on to the juicy stuff:
So I start off with the salad, crafting myself a classic caesar salad with romaine lettuce, caesar dressing, mozzarella cheese, and croûtons. I quickly inhale that scrumptious assortment of rabbit food and prepare myself for a man's meal. I start off conservatively, saving myself for my favorites: filet mignon, pork tenderloin, babyback ribs, and ribs. I soon learn this is a foolish error on my part for several reasons: I have the appetite of several grisly lumberjacks after a hard day's work, the servings are relatively small, and lastly you'd be a damned fool not to try every last one of these delectable slices of cooked muscle and fat. I believe I started off with some top and bottom sirloin. As these meats touched my palette, the anger of not being in Mexico momentarily left me. It was THAT good. I carefully ingested these fine pieces of meat, piece by piece, making them last. Soon the waitress brings a bowl of mashed potatoes. My kryptonite. I absolutely love a good helping of mashed potatoes. But these taters were crafted by no mere mortal. God himself poured a bit of his soul into this buttery, creamy concoction that melted my taste buds away. When mixed with my next round of meat, pork tenderloin topped with Parmesan cheese, my mouth had multiple orgasms. The explosion of juicy flavor combined with the smooth as silk mashed potatoes was almost too much to handle. Had there been no more, I could have cried, spit it out, and eaten it again just in hopes of experiencing it again. I realized I still had more meat and potatoes left, and simply repeated the eating. Next was Fillet Mignon wrapped in bacon. My favorite steak ever...wrapped in bacon. Oh lord, this will be good. As I slice the meat, blood pours out of this perfectly cooked piece of meat. I can hardly wait till the flavorful blood ravishes my tongue. Before my mouth even as the chance to envelop this meaty goodness, I can smell what is to come. I bite down into what can only be described as pure extacy. But that's not all. I keep chewing. And flavor keeps coming. I chew each piece for minutes, extracting every last bit of flavor. I'm scared to breathe, let alone open my mouth, for fear that some of this flavor might escape into undeserving air. I repeat this cycle over with more meats than I knew existed. Every single muscle of a cow or pig was available for my enjoyment. Over the next hour, my taste buds were assaulted with an assortment of the greatest meats ever cooked. Sadly, when it felt like every piece I ate was going to come back out, I knew it was time to let go. Quite possibly the most worth while 20 + tax/tip that I have ever spent, after the Starcraft Battle Chest.
In summary, all I have to say is vegetarians are missing part of their soul.
Also:
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on the bright side giving up meat for one month would afford a wealth of opportunities to moralize and condescend to family, friends, and strangers on the internet.
then again, if i try to save humankind, i'm positionally associated with all the same sorts of people who have so thoroughly convinced me that we're not worth the effort in the first place.
it's a toss up really.
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and article about cows... for sheep.
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