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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 27 2009 12:07 GMT
#1
An interview came out today with a global warming chief urging people to give up meat in order to save the planet.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6891362.ece

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People will need to turn vegetarian if the world is to conquer climate change, according to a leading authority on global warming.

In an interview with The Times, Lord Stern of Brentford said: “Meat is a wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts enormous pressure on the world’s resources. A vegetarian diet is better.”

Direct emissions of methane from cows and pigs is a significant source of greenhouse gases. Methane is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas.

Lord Stern, the author of the influential 2006 Stern Review on the cost of tackling global warming, said that a successful deal at the Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in December would lead to soaring costs for meat and other foods that generate large quantities of greenhouse gases.

He predicted that people’s attitudes would evolve until meat eating became unacceptable. “I think it’s important that people think about what they are doing and that includes what they are eating,” he said. “I am 61 now and attitudes towards drinking and driving have changed radically since I was a student. People change their notion of what is responsible. They will increasingly ask about the carbon content of their food.”

Lord Stern, a former chief economist of the World Bank and now I. G. Patel Professor of Economics at the London School of Economics, warned that British taxpayers would need to contribute about £3 billion a year by 2015 to help poor countries to cope with the inevitable impact of climate change.

He also issued a clear message to President Obama that he must attend the meeting in Copenhagen in person in order for an effective deal to be reached. US leadership, he said, was “desperately needed” to secure a deal.

He said that he was deeply concerned that popular opinion had so far failed to grasp the scale of the changes needed to address climate change, or of the importance of the UN meeting in Copenhagen from December 7 to December 18. “I am not sure that people fully understand what we are talking about or the kind of changes that will be necessary,” he added.

Up to 20,000 delegates from 192 countries are due to attend the UN conference in the Danish capital. Its aim is to forge a deal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions sufficiently to prevent an increase in global temperatures of more than 2 degrees centigrade. Any increase above this level is expected to trigger runaway climate change, threatening the lives of hundreds of millions of people.

Lord Stern said that Copenhagen presented a unique opportunity for the world to break free from its catastrophic current trajectory. He said that the world needed to agree to halve global greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 to 25 gigatonnes a year from the current level of 50 gigatonnes.

UN figures suggest that meat production is responsible for about 18 per cent of global carbon emissions, including the destruction of forest land for cattle ranching and the production of animal feeds such as soy.

Lord Stern, who said that he was not a strict vegetarian himself, was speaking on the eve of an all-parliamentary debate on climate change. His remarks provoked anger from the meat industry.

Jonathan Scurlock, of the National Farmers Union, said: “Going vegetarian is not a worldwide solution. It’s not a view shared by the NFU. Farmers in this country are interested in evidence-based policymaking. We don’t have a methane-free cow or pig available to us.”

On average, a British person eats 50g of protein derived from meat each day — the equivalent of a chicken breast or a lamb chop. This is a relatively low level for a wealthy country but between 25 per cent and 50 per cent higher than the amount recommended by the World Health Organisation.

Su Taylor, a spokeswoman for the Vegetarian Society, welcomed Lord Stern’s remarks. “What we choose to eat is one of the biggest factors in our personal impact on the environment,” she said. “Meat uses up a lot of resources and a vegetarian diet consumes a lot less land and water. One of the best things you can do about climate change is reduce the amount of meat in your diet.”

The UN has warned that meat consumption is on course to double by the middle of the century.


Methane is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas and livestock production (cows, pigs, chickens) is responsible for over 1/3rd of methane emissions. A joke that has been circulating is that it is better to eat a salad in a gas guzzling SUV than to eat a burger in a hybrid.

As a progressive-minded ultra-liberal environmentalist, I feel compelled to act and so I am making a pledge to give up meat for 1 month, starting today and ending on November 26th.

Following Energies' lead, I am making this thread to invite all of you to make your own pledge for however long you wish. The majority of this forum believes that the threat of global warming is real and that humans play a major role in causing it so it's time to put your meat where your mouth isn't.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 27 2009 12:11 GMT
#2
i can't tell if you're being serious or not, but i've been a vegetarian for a little over two years now. it was a natural adjustment for me, since i had already more or less quit eating meat, unless eating with friends or my parents. there are lots of great vegetarian dishes out there.
i recently traveled to indonesia and ate vegetarian the whole time, and it was awesome
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
October 27 2009 12:12 GMT
#3
While i guess the idea is good, i will never stop eating meat. I don't care if it becomes illegal and i get thrown in jail, my last meal will be a rare steak.
U Gotta Skate.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
October 27 2009 12:12 GMT
#4
Somehow I doubt choosing not to eat meat will impact how much livestock is raised and slaughtered on a daily basis.
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
October 27 2009 12:17 GMT
#5
Does not eating meat somehow make you really skinny over time? Is that why they need to take these weird supplements with every meal, everyday (pretty much replacing what meat provided)?
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 27 2009 12:23 GMT
#6
you don't need to eat any weird supplements to maintain a healthy vegetarian diet.
the biggest things you lose from meat are protein and iron, both of which you can get from legumes, lentils, spinach, tofu, etc. there's lots of options
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
October 27 2009 12:24 GMT
#7
On October 27 2009 21:17 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Does not eating meat somehow make you really skinny over time? Is that why they need to take these weird supplements with every meal, everyday (pretty much replacing what meat provided)?


Yay for people not being educated about vegetarian/veganism!
All the nutrients you need (except for vitamin B12) can be found in more than acceptable amounts in non-meat foods. B12 is necessary for accelerated brain functioning, and can be taken occasionally as a supplement. There's no nutritional downside to not eating meat - we don't need that much protein.

That said, I'm not giving up meat because it's delicious. I don't always eat it, because I tend to prefer other foods, but when I do, it's fucking awesome.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
October 27 2009 12:25 GMT
#8
On October 27 2009 21:24 tirentu wrote:
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On October 27 2009 21:17 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Does not eating meat somehow make you really skinny over time? Is that why they need to take these weird supplements with every meal, everyday (pretty much replacing what meat provided)?


Yay for people not being educated about vegetarian/veganism!
All the nutrients you need (except for vitamin B12) can be found in more than acceptable amounts in non-meat foods. B12 is necessary for accelerated brain functioning, and can be taken occasionally as a supplement. There's no nutritional downside to not eating meat - we don't need that much protein.

That said, I'm not giving up meat because it's delicious. I don't always eat it, because I tend to prefer other foods, but when I do, it's fucking awesome.


I don't think i can look at artosis, or a ton of other vegetarians i know for that matter, and with a straight face say that i agree that vegetarianism/veganism doesn't make a person very skinny over the course of their life.
U Gotta Skate.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
October 27 2009 12:27 GMT
#9
If I had a private chef, I'd make him cook vegeterian meals.

Right now, since I live with my family, I eat what's cooked.

But I plan on switching some day in not so distant future.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 27 2009 12:27 GMT
#10
I agree that eating less meat is a good idea for various reasons. If you are trying to reduce methane emissions, you also should eat less rice, though. Iirc there are bacteria in rice fields that produce quite an amount of methane too.
Reducing the number of cows and chickens also requires you to drink/eat less milk/eggs.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Vedic
Profile Joined March 2008
United States582 Posts
October 27 2009 12:29 GMT
#11
I pledge to eat extra meat for a month. That should even things out.
I tried to commit seppuku, but I accidentally committed bukkake.
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
October 27 2009 12:29 GMT
#12
I've been a vegetarian since July 1st, but not for this reason.
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
October 27 2009 12:32 GMT
#13
On October 27 2009 21:25 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2009 21:24 tirentu wrote:
On October 27 2009 21:17 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Does not eating meat somehow make you really skinny over time? Is that why they need to take these weird supplements with every meal, everyday (pretty much replacing what meat provided)?


Yay for people not being educated about vegetarian/veganism!
All the nutrients you need (except for vitamin B12) can be found in more than acceptable amounts in non-meat foods. B12 is necessary for accelerated brain functioning, and can be taken occasionally as a supplement. There's no nutritional downside to not eating meat - we don't need that much protein.

That said, I'm not giving up meat because it's delicious. I don't always eat it, because I tend to prefer other foods, but when I do, it's fucking awesome.


I don't think i can look at artosis, or a ton of other vegetarians i know for that matter, and with a straight face say that i agree that vegetarianism/veganism doesn't make a person very skinny over the course of their life.


Artosis is a skinny nerd. I'm a fat tend-to-be-mostly-vegetarian-just-not-very-often-recently.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
October 27 2009 12:33 GMT
#14
Welcome brother!

However, I have to disagree that all vegetarians are skinny

Trouble is, after being pretty decent at cooking before becoming a vegetarian I find now all the things I knew how to cook well have become useless, aside from stir-fries which I can but for really cheap from restaraunts ($6 Thai lunch! Fuck yeah!). nite - use it as an excuse to cook for yourself, I am sure your family wouldn't complaing about you becoming vegetarian it actually turns out cheaper :3

There are a lot of reasons to become vegetarian this is just one of them, like livestock takes up so much more room than vegetables, cruelty-free, etc. so you could add them to the OP if you find them and increase the scope of this thread.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 12:36:49
October 27 2009 12:35 GMT
#15
On October 27 2009 21:29 Vedic wrote:
I pledge to eat extra meat for a month. That should even things out.


You need to eat three times as much meat to counter-act those who choose to be vegetarian :p

Lol BlackJack... giving up meat for one month is such a stupid thing to do. That's like saying you want to prevent global warming, but you only want to do it for 30 days....
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
October 27 2009 12:40 GMT
#16
I know a couple of pescetarians, I think I could do that a lot easier than vegetarian/vegan. Giving up meat isn't that hard, actually, and I'm not a vegetarian, but if there's a veggie patty option, I usually get that. Processed hamburger meat is disgusting.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
October 27 2009 12:46 GMT
#17
On October 27 2009 21:12 ghermination wrote:
While i guess the idea is good, i will never stop eating meat. I don't care if it becomes illegal and i get thrown in jail, my last meal will be a rare steak.

I'm with you on this man, I've been eating meat all my life and I'm not about to stop. If people were really serious about cutting the amount of greenhouse gases then they'd need to take drastic action such as shutting down all industry, shipping and aviation -.-
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
October 27 2009 12:47 GMT
#18
On October 27 2009 21:35 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2009 21:29 Vedic wrote:
I pledge to eat extra meat for a month. That should even things out.


You need to eat three times as much meat to counter-act those who choose to be vegetarian :p

Lol BlackJack... giving up meat for one month is such a stupid thing to do. That's like saying you want to prevent global warming, but you only want to do it for 30 days....


Or by holding in your farts for a month
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
Smurg
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3818 Posts
October 27 2009 12:52 GMT
#19
I reckon this has micah's seal of approval.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 27 2009 12:57 GMT
#20
On October 27 2009 21:35 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Lol BlackJack... giving up meat for one month is such a stupid thing to do. That's like saying you want to prevent global warming, but you only want to do it for 30 days....


one month out of each year. We're all supposed to be making cutbacks, it's not a "do all that we can or do nothing" policy
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