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koreasilver
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Lucktar
United States526 Posts
Personally, I'm not an an environment where being vegetarian is really a viable option. I do have a great deal of respect for people who do make that choice, however. Whatever you think about global warming, greenhouse gas emissions, overpopulation, Malthusian nightmares, etc, etc, vegetarianism is a more efficient, less wasteful way to feed yourself. So ease up on the hostility, guys. There's no reason to castigate someone simply for making a different lifestyle choice than yours. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
I never miss eating animal products or anything like that, it's honestly not difficult at all as long as you truly want to do it, in which case it's not so much a decision you make but just what you do because there's is nothing else for you to do. In the context of greenhouse gases, global warming and saving the planet is a bunch of bullshit. All this nonsense is really about saving the people, not the planet. People should follow their principles though, whatever they are, so if it means becoming a vegetarian for 1 month to help the planet then cool, do it. My question is, why 1 month? If you really believe in it then it should be a life long thing. Not that you have to do it for the rest of your life, by any means, but to go into it thinking you will only do it for a month is pretty weak. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
I agree with Lucktar's comments regarding the hostility and spite towards vegetarians. I've never actually met a preachy vegetarian or vegan in my life, yet that's the stereotype. My family, friends, and even fiancee eat meat, and I don't ever talk down to them or judge them for it. Also LOL @ Blackjack "I'll give it up for 30 days". If you really cared about the causes here, I would hope you would make a more rational goal to help out. It's like people who believe "I won't buy gas this week" will help lower gas prices and reduce dependency on oil. A more reasonable goal would be something like researching how to best incorporate a vegetarian diet for a few days, gradually eating more vegetarian meals throughout the week, and within the month, either entirely or almost entirely giving up meat for the rest of your life. edit: Also regarding vegetarianism "making you skinny", that's not true. What often is the case is before one adopts a vegetarian diet, they take a lot of time to research nutritional requirements and how to acquire them with the new diet they are adopting. Basically, they become more health conscious as a result. I know it definitely was the case for me, and I've heard similar cases with other vegetarians I know. I still eat some junk food, but overall I eat a healthy diet. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
If not I actually may attempt this. I think it's worth it to do my part. | ||
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Sarpedon
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Eating fish is destroying the biggest ecosystems of this planet. So in a sense eating fish is probably the worst. But it really depends. I mean, global warming is mainly a problem for humans. Not for the planet. In fact, it may be better for the planet than no global warming in the long run. Especially if it goes really wrong for us humans. | ||
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koreasilver
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
I think a lot of vegetarians are taking this relatively stupid ultimatum as an excuse to preach about vegetarianism. The fact is, I was a vegetarian for a year, and went back to meat and ultimately felt much, much better, while gaining noticeably more muscle mass as soon as I began consuming high quality protein sources again. Of course you can supplement, but that's very hypocritical, as the protein found in most of these supplements would be from animal cells. This is pretty much like saying that all fast food is awful due to McDonalds. There are many people in my area who hunt and use 100% of the animal that they can to feed/clothe their family, while obviously not adding to CO2 emissions. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On October 28 2009 04:46 Romance_us wrote: Eating meat isn't the problem. It's the way we massively process it. If everybody had a self-sufficient produce farm, we would be absolutely fine. That makes no sense to me. Economy tells me that those big scale companies who produce meat in mass, make their profit on being efficient. They're efficient with their animals. When the growth rate of the animal significantly lowers, it's ready for slaughter. No need to feed it any more, and ehm.. cause co2 or whatever. They feed it the cheapest food available that will yield a sufficient quality meat as end product, of course taking into account laws and regulations on ethical standards of animal treatment. That cheap food is cheap because the least amount of work was involved to get it, meaning least amount of people involved meaning a (relatively) small carbon footprint. And so on. If you were to scale it down to teeny tiny local farms, then the economy of scale would be completely thrown out the window. Those animals on that farm still need to live and eat. That food has to come from somewhere, where it is produced in small quantities. By people who spill some of that food and are less efficient with it in other ways that they wouldn't be with bigger batches. - With the economic effects of supply and demand in place and no extreme effects such as monopolies, the price of a product equates quite evenly with a carbon footprint, so I believe. Subsidies fuck up this picture though, and should really be eliminated. | ||
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Lucktar
United States526 Posts
On October 28 2009 06:49 Badjas wrote: That makes no sense to me. Economy tells me that those big scale companies who produce meat in mass, make their profit on being efficient. They're efficient with their animals. When the growth rate of the animal significantly lowers, it's ready for slaughter. No need to feed it any more, and ehm.. cause co2 or whatever. They feed it the cheapest food available that will yield a sufficient quality meat as end product, of course taking into account laws and regulations on ethical standards of animal treatment. That cheap food is cheap because the least amount of work was involved to get it, meaning least amount of people involved meaning a (relatively) small carbon footprint. And so on. If you were to scale it down to teeny tiny local farms, then the economy of scale would be completely thrown out the window. Those animals on that farm still need to live and eat. That food has to come from somewhere, where it is produced in small quantities. By people who spill some of that food and are less efficient with it in other ways that they wouldn't be with bigger batches. - With the economic effects of supply and demand in place and no extreme effects such as monopolies, the price of a product equates quite evenly with a carbon footprint, so I believe. Subsidies fuck up this picture though, and should really be eliminated. This. The whole reason industrialization is possible is because we no longer have >50% of the population engaged in subsistence farming. Individual family farms MAY be friendlier on the environment (maybe), but they definitely don't provide a more efficient way of feeding a population. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
On October 28 2009 04:13 EscPlan9 wrote: I have met plenty of preachy vegetarians in my life.I'm already a vegetarian, and have been for nearly 10 years now (I'm almost 26 years old). A few comments... I agree with Lucktar's comments regarding the hostility and spite towards vegetarians. I've never actually met a preachy vegetarian or vegan in my life, yet that's the stereotype. Also LOL @ Blackjack "I'll give it up for 30 days". If you really cared about the causes here, I would hope you would make a more rational goal to help out. It's like people who believe "I won't buy gas this week" will help lower gas prices and reduce dependency on oil. A more reasonable goal would be something like researching how to best incorporate a vegetarian diet for a few days, gradually eating more vegetarian meals throughout the week, and within the month, either entirely or almost entirely giving up meat for the rest of your life. What was that about vegetarians not being preachy?I think it's a great opportunity for people to experience living without meat for a month, it doesn't mean he has to go all Che Guevara on meat right away. edit: Also regarding vegetarianism "making you skinny", that's not true. What often is the case is before one adopts a vegetarian diet, they take a lot of time to research nutritional requirements and how to acquire them with the new diet they are adopting. Basically, they become more health conscious as a result. I know it definitely was the case for me, and I've heard similar cases with other vegetarians I know. I still eat some junk food, but overall I eat a healthy diet. Vegetarians always say this and I think it can be true but most veggies I know are skinny as fuck. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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Chuiu
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On October 28 2009 06:56 ShaperofDreams wrote: It's probably because a lot of vegetarians don't really exercise properly or eat properly. My cousin is a vegetarian and his body is build a lot better than me. It's just up to your lifestyle. My cousin also makes sure he's getting enough of everything he needs. He tried to be a vegan for a year but we both kinda realized that it was just too constrictive for no good reason. I've kinda noticed that he eats a lot more after he stopped eating meat. When I see how much he eats at breakfast it baffles me. | ||
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Binky1842
United States2599 Posts
don't think i'll go back  Anytime soon | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
All jokes aside, I really won't mind switching to a more vegetarian diet later, but I'll always have at least some meat every once in a while. My current diet doesn't consist of much meat anyway though. Maybe aside from the once a month bacon or once a week hamburger. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Traveler
United States451 Posts
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