On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote: he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha
A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead.
There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone.
What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks.
Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not.
On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote: Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended.
It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood.
You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it.
Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there.
On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote: I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself.
You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense.
Really you assume i believe in the death penalty? Well i don't you know what i would do remove his citizenship put him in jail for life.
It was dark and he only caught a glimpse of the thief? It was dark and he lied not to get into any bigger trouble then he already knows hes in for chopping a guy up is just as easy to say. And yes you endanger yourself by bringing weapons with you any time, guess what more people die and get hurt by their own chainsaw and gun then by someone else you saying a chain saw isn't as dangerous as a gun, fuck it's just a motorized saw which is a samuari sword to some extent in design. Guess what you own a weapon you better be prepared for the consequences of using it.
I don't understand the your mind set that the kid was going in to kill the guy. Why can't you see that he had the sword to protect himself. It was more like oh it the garage seems suspicious, I'll bring along something to defend myself just in case the worst case scenario happens and make sure everything is alright. This guys was charged like almost 30 times, he could be dangerous. The sword was probably the best weapon that he could find at the time and he brought it with him so that he could protect himself.
Guess what? I don't own a weapon.
And guess what? You need to stop being a stuck up bastard and admit that the kid wasn't bringing the sword to kill people.
How does calling me stuck up change anything?
The kid confronted the thief and it resulted in the kid using the sword and killing the man, you saying you shouldn't be call accounted for when you use a gun a weapon meant to kill, he was using a sword, all i'm saying when you have a deadly weapon and use it you are held accountable for what happens.
Guess what the kid should have done make sure everyone is already take that sword get everyone in the same room and wait it out only using it when the thief comes barging into that room, you think i'm so stuck up that if it happened to me i would be all on the other side. Guess what i've been mugged i have had work done to get my teeth and jaw all right again because i got hit in the jaw with brass knuckles got my mp3 player and wallet stolen if anything by your description i have even more of a right to kill the guys who jumped me as they made it clear they were going to hurt me after it's self defense. Guess what i don't i get my strong position from the reactions of people after the incident. Hell i still wear braces to move my teeth after my jaw and bite was redone.
What makes me angry is that people seem to think he has the kid in that situation had the right to kill the man. I stand to say he did not esp in that situation nothing to me in that article said that the level of force he used was necessary.
If someone I don't know breaks into my house, I won't busy myself trying to guess what he would do. He could be stealing, he could be a murderer on the run from the law with nothing to lose.
I don't have a display samurai sword, but I'll grab the best weapon closest to me - be it sword or a bat (which I do have) or fist full of noodles like in that one movie. The point is he's gonna get it if he doesn't make himself scarce fast enough.
Are you kidding me?!
If you really "value human life" then maybe you'd hide under your bed while he takes everything he wants. Human life isn't even in the top 5 on my mind if something like that happens.
On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote: he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha
A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead.
There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone.
What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks.
Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not.
On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote: Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended.
It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood.
You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it.
Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there.
On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote: I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself.
You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense.
Really you assume i believe in the death penalty? Well i don't you know what i would do remove his citizenship put him in jail for life.
It was dark and he only caught a glimpse of the thief? It was dark and he lied not to get into any bigger trouble then he already knows hes in for chopping a guy up is just as easy to say. And yes you endanger yourself by bringing weapons with you any time, guess what more people die and get hurt by their own chainsaw and gun then by someone else you saying a chain saw isn't as dangerous as a gun, fuck it's just a motorized saw which is a samuari sword to some extent in design. Guess what you own a weapon you better be prepared for the consequences of using it.
I don't understand the your mind set that the kid was going in to kill the guy. Why can't you see that he had the sword to protect himself. It was more like oh it the garage seems suspicious, I'll bring along something to defend myself just in case the worst case scenario happens and make sure everything is alright. This guys was charged like almost 30 times, he could be dangerous. The sword was probably the best weapon that he could find at the time and he brought it with him so that he could protect himself.
Guess what? I don't own a weapon.
And guess what? You need to stop being a stuck up bastard and admit that the kid wasn't bringing the sword to kill people.
How does calling me stuck up change anything?
The kid confronted the thief and it resulted in the kid using the sword and killing the man, you saying you shouldn't be call accounted for when you use a gun a weapon meant to kill, he was using a sword, all i'm saying when you have a deadly weapon and use it you are held accountable for what happens.
Guess what the kid should have done make sure everyone is already take that sword get everyone in the same room and wait it out only using it when the thief comes barging into that room, you think i'm so stuck up that if it happened to me i would be all on the other side. Guess what i've been mugged i have had work done to get my teeth and jaw all right again because i got hit in the jaw with brass knuckles got my mp3 player and wallet stolen if anything by your description i have even more of a right to kill the guys who jumped me as they made it clear they were going to hurt me after it's self defense. Guess what i don't i get my strong position from the reactions of people after the incident. Hell i still wear braces to move my teeth after my jaw and bite was redone.
Stop saying "Guess what" and learn how to put a fucking sentence together and maybe people will take you seriously.
On September 16 2009 12:55 Phayze wrote: I know, if I was being robbed in my own home I wouldn't stand there and be passive, But i do guess a large amount of people on these forums have no backbone, as most of todays current society are, very very passive. Hell I even saw an elderly couple get mugged a few blocks down from my apartment, and no one did a thing about it. A crowded downtown street stood and stared, all scared of confrontation... It absolutely sickened me.
That's not because people are passive, it's because they don't believe events like those are their responsibility. When something like a stabbing happens in a public area with plenty of witnesses, it's highly unlikely anyone will do anything. It's called the bystander effect. It's easy for you to say that if you were on the street, you would have chased down the muggers, or at least called the cops, but if you're a typical human being, you wouldn't have. There's no evidence to suggest that it's the relative docility of people in modern society (as compared to, say, the Middle Ages) that causes the bystander effect.
On September 16 2009 11:46 Saddened Izzy wrote: What's wrong with that kid he doesn't own a bat like a normal person but instead keeps a samurai sword by his bed side. Unless he saw a gun or some sort of weapon from the guy seriously something wrong there the kid fucked up the situation even more by bring a sword, if it was a gun it be a different story he lunges at him he get shot depending on the shoot the guy dies in a min or in a few hours, but a sword is just asking for some fucked up shit. Sorry but my logic works unless the guy was like 8 feet tall and was built like Eugen Sandow that is excessive force in my rule book the kid is confident enough to slash away at the guy but can't think like listening to the door opening it seeing the thief then running to call the police, it is not up to the kid to confront the thief unless he believes he can control the situation which he obviously could not. Obviously that college education isn't doing much for his critical thinking. #rant rant rant#
If he calls the police - the robber gets away in time, and you lose your shit. Why would you have to see a gun if someone broke into your place to steal your stuff. You take the pussy way out like you're saying, you just lost $50-100 of stuff.
I'd sooner kill the guy who broke into my property in the first place, who most likely wouldn't hesitate to use force against me. That is assuming I had the chance. I might call the police simply out of fear, but just because this kid didn't, doesn't mean he made the wrong choice imo.
He took matters into his own hands by confronting the thief in the first place. He couldn't like listen to the door and peek inside to see? And he couldn't handle the fucking situation he killed the guy plain and simple,
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
self defense only works when they come to attack you, the guy came to steal not to hurt him physically if the state can't do so call "righteous killings" then you can't either. Ionno if his state banned the death sentence or not but i'll look it up.
What he's too cheap to afford home or renters insurance instead he kills a guy over a few bucks? this was off campus
1. You obviously have a lot of bias already coming into this thread. 2. You assume too easily that he meant to kill someone with the sword. 3. You believe that you have the right mindset regarding this matter, everyone else is wrong. 4. You sound REALLY stuck up.
I have a strong position and unless someone can tell me logically how killing someone over property can ever be considered not a crime well blow my mind. Also i tend to shout even though i know it's not going to help my argument when i strongly believe in something.
The thing i focus on is the kid confronted the thief he didn't hear suspect shit in the garage and called the police and waited at the neighbors or something he took it on himself to handle it and it resulted in a death and he should be put on trial for such.
how is prosecuting the shit out of a 20 year old kid for not making the right judgment call in a frightening situation justice?
it's like you're rushing in to make an already sad situation worse.
On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote: he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha
A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead.
There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone.
What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks.
Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not.
On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote: Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended.
It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood.
You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it.
Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there.
On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote: I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself.
You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense.
Really you assume i believe in the death penalty? Well i don't you know what i would do remove his citizenship put him in jail for life.
It was dark and he only caught a glimpse of the thief? It was dark and he lied not to get into any bigger trouble then he already knows hes in for chopping a guy up is just as easy to say. And yes you endanger yourself by bringing weapons with you any time, guess what more people die and get hurt by their own chainsaw and gun then by someone else you saying a chain saw isn't as dangerous as a gun, fuck it's just a motorized saw which is a samuari sword to some extent in design. Guess what you own a weapon you better be prepared for the consequences of using it.
I don't understand the your mind set that the kid was going in to kill the guy. Why can't you see that he had the sword to protect himself. It was more like oh it the garage seems suspicious, I'll bring along something to defend myself just in case the worst case scenario happens and make sure everything is alright. This guys was charged like almost 30 times, he could be dangerous. The sword was probably the best weapon that he could find at the time and he brought it with him so that he could protect himself.
Guess what? I don't own a weapon.
And guess what? You need to stop being a stuck up bastard and admit that the kid wasn't bringing the sword to kill people.
How does calling me stuck up change anything?
The kid confronted the thief and it resulted in the kid using the sword and killing the man, you saying you shouldn't be call accounted for when you use a gun a weapon meant to kill, he was using a sword, all i'm saying when you have a deadly weapon and use it you are held accountable for what happens.
Guess what the kid should have done make sure everyone is already take that sword get everyone in the same room and wait it out only using it when the thief comes barging into that room, you think i'm so stuck up that if it happened to me i would be all on the other side. Guess what i've been mugged i have had work done to get my teeth and jaw all right again because i got hit in the jaw with brass knuckles got my mp3 player and wallet stolen if anything by your description i have even more of a right to kill the guys who jumped me as they made it clear they were going to hurt me after it's self defense. Guess what i don't i get my strong position from the reactions of people after the incident. Hell i still wear braces to move my teeth after my jaw and bite was redone.
If you got mugged, then thats too bad for you. As my teachers have taught me, under normal circumstances, if the man threatens you then you give into whatever the man wants. But if the man wants to kill you or it looks like hes about to kill you, then thats the time self-defense comes into play. The situation was clearly threatening to the kid. I'm not promoting killing, but the kid did right thing for protecting himself.
And it sounds like you didn't get mugged on your property. The whole private property thing just tips it in the favor of the kid more. And sounds like you got your ass handed to you by the mugger. You probably couldn't do shit.
As kev pointed out, stop using guess what. You suck at writing arguments.
On September 16 2009 13:22 .risingdragoon wrote: This whole discussion is reTARDed.
If someone I don't know breaks into my house, I won't busy myself trying to guess what he would do. He could be stealing, he could be a murderer on the run from the law with nothing to lose.
I don't have a display samurai sword, but I'll grab the best weapon closest to me - be it sword or a bat (which I do have) or fist full of noodles like in that one movie. The point is he's gonna get it if he doesn't make himself scarce fast enough.
Are you kidding me?!
If you really "value human life" then maybe you'd hide under your bed while he takes everything he wants. Human life isn't even in the top 5 on my mind if something like that happens.
On September 16 2009 13:22 .risingdragoon wrote: This whole discussion is reTARDed.
If someone I don't know breaks into my house, I won't busy myself trying to guess what he would do. He could be stealing, he could be a murderer on the run from the law with nothing to lose.
I don't have a display samurai sword, but I'll grab the best weapon closest to me - be it sword or a bat (which I do have) or fist full of noodles like in that one movie. The point is he's gonna get it if he doesn't make himself scarce fast enough.
Are you kidding me?!
If you really "value human life" then maybe you'd hide under your bed while he takes everything he wants. Human life isn't even in the top 5 on my mind if something like that happens.
^
I just want to ask, what if the mugger surrenders? Do you still kick his ass/kill him for it or just tie him up? I mean, there could have been a scenario that the MOFO shit's his pants since he saw you with a gun pointing at him.
On September 16 2009 13:22 .risingdragoon wrote: This whole discussion is reTARDed.
If someone I don't know breaks into my house, I won't busy myself trying to guess what he would do. He could be stealing, he could be a murderer on the run from the law with nothing to lose.
I don't have a display samurai sword, but I'll grab the best weapon closest to me - be it sword or a bat (which I do have) or fist full of noodles like in that one movie. The point is he's gonna get it if he doesn't make himself scarce fast enough.
Are you kidding me?!
If you really "value human life" then maybe you'd hide under your bed while he takes everything he wants. Human life isn't even in the top 5 on my mind if something like that happens.
^
I just want to ask, what if the mugger surrenders? Do you still kick his ass/kill him for it or just tie him up? I mean, there could have been a scenario that the MOFO shit's his pants since he saw you with a gun pointing at him.
Of course not. I'd keep the bat primed over his skull until the police arrive.
On September 16 2009 13:14 p4NDemik wrote: Best course of action in this situation: call the authorities and make sure everyone is locked in a secure room, only using a weapon as last recourse if there is clear intent of assault. Unfortunately in our culture it's ingrained in our minds that confrontation is for some reason necessary. At the end of the day you may have lost some stuff (if the guy isn't caught by the cops), but 9 times out of 10 all parties should walk away unscathed.
It was a very poor decision to confront the intruder on the student's part in my opinion, however that does not change the fact that he has the right to defend himself in his own home, if the accused man did in fact try to jump him.
Did he take the right course of action? No. Does this mean that under the law he should be incarcerated for a large portion of his life? That's debatable, pending investigation, but from the limited information provided here, probably not.
As if I'm going to hide in a closet while some lowlife scum takes the stuff that I've worked my ass off for? If you break into my house while my family and I are sleeping, I don't care what your intentions are, you are going to die.
I have ZERO respect and tolerance for parasites that can only sustain themselves by leaching from other people. If you're that desperate, go panhandle.
On September 16 2009 13:22 .risingdragoon wrote: This whole discussion is reTARDed.
If someone I don't know breaks into my house, I won't busy myself trying to guess what he would do. He could be stealing, he could be a murderer on the run from the law with nothing to lose.
I don't have a display samurai sword, but I'll grab the best weapon closest to me - be it sword or a bat (which I do have) or fist full of noodles like in that one movie. The point is he's gonna get it if he doesn't make himself scarce fast enough.
Are you kidding me?!
If you really "value human life" then maybe you'd hide under your bed while he takes everything he wants. Human life isn't even in the top 5 on my mind if something like that happens.
^
I just want to ask, what if the mugger surrenders? Do you still kick his ass/kill him for it or just tie him up? I mean, there could have been a scenario that the MOFO shit's his pants since he saw you with a gun pointing at him.
Of course not. I'd keep the bat primed over his skull until the police arrive.
gimme a high five on that one! yahoo! that's one way of stress relieving
On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote: he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha
A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead.
There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone.
What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks.
Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not.
On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote: Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended.
It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood.
You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it.
Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there.
On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote: I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself.
You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense.
Really you assume i believe in the death penalty? Well i don't you know what i would do remove his citizenship put him in jail for life.
It was dark and he only caught a glimpse of the thief? It was dark and he lied not to get into any bigger trouble then he already knows hes in for chopping a guy up is just as easy to say. And yes you endanger yourself by bringing weapons with you any time, guess what more people die and get hurt by their own chainsaw and gun then by someone else you saying a chain saw isn't as dangerous as a gun, fuck it's just a motorized saw which is a samuari sword to some extent in design. Guess what you own a weapon you better be prepared for the consequences of using it.
I don't understand the your mind set that the kid was going in to kill the guy. Why can't you see that he had the sword to protect himself. It was more like oh it the garage seems suspicious, I'll bring along something to defend myself just in case the worst case scenario happens and make sure everything is alright. This guys was charged like almost 30 times, he could be dangerous. The sword was probably the best weapon that he could find at the time and he brought it with him so that he could protect himself.
Guess what? I don't own a weapon.
And guess what? You need to stop being a stuck up bastard and admit that the kid wasn't bringing the sword to kill people.
How does calling me stuck up change anything?
The kid confronted the thief and it resulted in the kid using the sword and killing the man, you saying you shouldn't be call accounted for when you use a gun a weapon meant to kill, he was using a sword, all i'm saying when you have a deadly weapon and use it you are held accountable for what happens.
Guess what the kid should have done make sure everyone is already take that sword get everyone in the same room and wait it out only using it when the thief comes barging into that room, you think i'm so stuck up that if it happened to me i would be all on the other side. Guess what i've been mugged i have had work done to get my teeth and jaw all right again because i got hit in the jaw with brass knuckles got my mp3 player and wallet stolen if anything by your description i have even more of a right to kill the guys who jumped me as they made it clear they were going to hurt me after it's self defense. Guess what i don't i get my strong position from the reactions of people after the incident. Hell i still wear braces to move my teeth after my jaw and bite was redone.
What makes me angry is that people seem to think he has the kid in that situation had the right to kill the man. I stand to say he did not esp in that situation nothing to me in that article said that the level of force he used was necessary.
Can you tell me where you live? That way i can rob the fuck out of you as you stand in your house and do nothing.
the thief knew what he was getting into. he has been prosecuted many times and fails to learn from his mistakes. why should this low life have the same protection has law abiding citizens who don't threaten others, take others property etc? you know, when thieves take your property, you do not get reimbursed. you just get tax credits. what good is tax credits when you lose your laptop, gaming systems, etc? i wouldn't take this shit and i dont feel one ounce of pity for the fucker who died. society is better off without him.
i will drink a beer to this student for making this world a better place.
On September 16 2009 13:11 Slaughter wrote: Nazgul what would you do in a position where you were home sleeping and a guy breaks in? Im just curious as to your personal response and im on your side.
Personally I would probably make sure my family/friends were safe and then call the police. While maybe 8/10 time when you confront a burgler he will run but weapons just escalate the situation. If you just make sure you and whoever else in the house with with is safe by like all being in one room locked door then oh well insurance covers property that is stolen. If the person confronts us then it escalates to him not being there just for stealing so then deadly force might come into play.
I can't tell you of course what exactly I would do but I think yelling you know he's there and that the police is coming (regardless of whether they are) is the best way to go about it. In that case why would a simple burglar stick around to shoot you and your family? I think it's important to realize a burglar is really far from a killer. To approach him with a weapon is not self-defense it is the opposite of self-defense.
It feels like there is a large group of people who have grown up with the image and have been told over and over and over that a gun/weapon equals self defense, self protection and self preservation. It doesn't. It endangers yourself and your family. It seriously puzzles my mind to see quotes like "Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense." pop up when it is pretty fucking clear you are endangering your own life by bringing one.
On September 16 2009 13:34 Biochemist wrote: As if I'm going to hide in a closet while some lowlife scum takes the stuff that I've worked my ass off for? If you break into my house while my family and I are sleeping, I don't care what your intentions are, you are going to die.
I have ZERO respect and tolerance for parasites that can only sustain themselves by leaching from other people. If you're that desperate, go panhandle.
And by doing so you endangered not just your own but also the lives of your family and kids tenfold which makes you a terrible husband and father in my mind. But go ahead put your family in danger to save a few hundred bucks of worthless stuff and feel right about shooting someone.
Confronting a burglar has just as much to do with "principle" as it does with defending your property. Life is way too short to put up with crap like that. The article says that the kid was JUST robbed. I don't see how anyone can be so calm about being robbed multiple times within the same week without standing up for themselves.
I can have understanding for what happened, but not respect. What happens happens it's understandable he might have been freaked out from the past weeks happenings, its possible he aimed at the hand because he had no intent of killing, it's possible he wasn't thinking rationally. That makes things less bad, but in the end I believe you don't have the right to kill someone who isn't threatening to kill you. No items in your or mine house should be worth that much.
Being a burglar (without carrying a weapon) is morally not much different from tax evasion. Think on that.
Confronting a burglar has just as much to do with "principle" as it does with defending your property. Life is way too short to put up with crap like that. The article says that the kid was JUST robbed. I don't see how anyone can be so calm about being robbed multiple times within the same week without standing up for themselves.
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