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On September 16 2009 12:49 Saddened Izzy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:40 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 12:35 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead. There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks. Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not. On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote:
Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended. It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood. You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it.
Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there.
On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself. You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense.
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Killing never is the right thing, but you should always have the right to defend yourself and your property. As you said, it's a world of difference. I don't understand why you feel you cannot defend yourself with whatever force you feel is needed to secure your own well being. It's easy to dismantle it after the fact and from a third party perspective decide what was "Necessary". I know, if I was being robbed in my own home I wouldn't stand there and be passive, But i do guess a large amount of people on these forums have no backbone, as most of todays current society are, very very passive. Hell I even saw an elderly couple get mugged a few blocks down from my apartment, and no one did a thing about it. A crowded downtown street stood and stared, all scared of confrontation... It absolutely sickened me.
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killing a guy over robbery is completely overkill and the kid should be punished if he had intent to kill
in all likelyhood though, he probably doesn't deserve punishment. it sounds like he just was acting in self-defense
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It's interesting that this thread is popping up because just a few weeks ago we had this one. It's hard to say if the guy was justified or not since we don't know the details, but it seems safe to say the invader was robbing the place seeing that he has past criminal history. I'd lean towards saying the guy shouldn't have charges pressed against him, he was just exercising his right to protect his home and property.
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On September 16 2009 12:55 Phayze wrote:
Killing never is the right thing, but you should always have the right to defend yourself and your property. As you said, it's a world of difference. I don't understand why you feel you cannot defend yourself with whatever force is needed to secure your own well being. I know, if I was being robbed in my own home I wouldn't stand there and be passive, But i do guess a large amount of people on these forums have no backbone, as most of todays current society are, very very passive. Hell I even saw an elderly couple get mugged a few blocks down from my apartment, and no one did a thing about it. Scared of confrontation... It absolutely sickened me.
I agree with this guy because would you're not guaranteed that someone will help you. Heres some examples.
A man was killing a woman. She cried for help and some lights turned on and the murder ran away, but came back and stabbed her and ran away when more lights came on and came back and finished her off. There were about 41 witnesses and NONE of them called the police.
A man thought that somebody was robbing his house. He called the police and they told him that they had nobody available and they will get to him when they have someone free. He called back few minutes later and told him he shot the burglar. THEN a whole bunch of police came and arrested the guy. The police asked the guy," I thought you shot him?" He replied," I thought you had no one available?"
This just shows you that you just have to take action for yourself.
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Nazgul, do you have any data? What you're saying makes sense, but I'm curious if any decent studies on this have been done.
On another note, maybe I'm a shallow bastard but if someone breaks into my house I'm putting a bullet between their eyes before they have a chance to attack me or my family, much less turn around and run. The world's human population is increasing at an exponential rate; I have no "sanctity of life" qualms about taking the trash out, given the chance.
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There seems to be a lot of assumption that the student had INTENT to kill. The way I read it, the burglar lunges at him, and the student has an immediate reaction to stop the intruder by using the sword NOT on the neck, NOT in the chest, but at one of the extremities of the body - the hand.
Personally, I read it as though the student was simply defending himself by stopping the attacker, although it ended up killing him. Therefore it's justified. Maybe I'm biased though?
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I agree with A3iL3r0n, because this is a hindsight bias. Hindsight bias is saying that you knew it would of happened after it happened. You won't be saying the same thing if the kid got fcked over would you?
Yeah, I wouldn't be saying the same thing, because obviously no one would say "the kid was at fault for killing the burglar" if the kid didn't kill the burglar and instead got fucked over. But I would still think that if he had killed the burglar he would be at fault. The fact that in the heat of the moment the guy didn't evaluate the situation properly doesn't mean the killing was justified.
On September 16 2009 12:34 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 11:47 BlackJack wrote:
I hope this kid gets the electric chair. NOBODY has the right to take another person's life. If you put him on an electric chair, isn't whoever put him there taking another person's life? Are you contradicting yourself?
That's the joke.
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On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 11:52 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 16 2009 11:46 Saddened Izzy wrote:
What's wrong with that kid he doesn't own a bat like a normal person but instead keeps a samurai sword by his bed side. Unless he saw a gun or some sort of weapon from the guy seriously something wrong there the kid fucked up the situation even more by bring a sword, if it was a gun it be a different story he lunges at him he get shot depending on the shoot the guy dies in a min or in a few hours, but a sword is just asking for some fucked up shit. Sorry but my logic works unless the guy was like 8 feet tall and was built like Eugen Sandow that is excessive force in my rule book the kid is confident enough to slash away at the guy but can't think like listening to the door opening it seeing the thief then running to call the police, it is not up to the kid to confront the thief unless he believes he can control the situation which he obviously could not. Obviously that college education isn't doing much for his critical thinking. #rant rant rant# If he calls the police - the robber gets away in time, and you lose your shit. Why would you have to see a gun if someone broke into your place to steal your stuff. You take the pussy way out like you're saying, you just lost $50-100 of stuff. I'd sooner kill the guy who broke into my property in the first place, who most likely wouldn't hesitate to use force against me. That is assuming I had the chance. I might call the police simply out of fear, but just because this kid didn't, doesn't mean he made the wrong choice imo. He took matters into his own hands by confronting the thief in the first place. He couldn't like listen to the door and peek inside to see? And he couldn't handle the fucking situation he killed the guy plain and simple, he didn't have the intention of killing him? He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit. self defense only works when they come to attack you, the guy came to steal not to hurt him physically if the state can't do so call "righteous killings" then you can't either. Ionno if his state banned the death sentence or not but i'll look it up. What he's too cheap to afford home or renters insurance instead he kills a guy over a few bucks? this was off campus
1. You obviously have a lot of bias already coming into this thread.
2. You assume too easily that he meant to kill someone with the sword.
3. You believe that you have the right mindset regarding this matter, everyone else is wrong.
4. You sound REALLY stuck up.
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On September 16 2009 13:05 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:34 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 11:47 BlackJack wrote:
I hope this kid gets the electric chair. NOBODY has the right to take another person's life. If you put him on an electric chair, isn't whoever put him there taking another person's life? Are you contradicting yourself? That's the joke.
Ahaha. I get it. Sorry, I'm a bit slow.
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On September 16 2009 12:54 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:49 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:40 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 12:35 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead. There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks. Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not. On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote:
Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended. It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood. You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it. Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there. Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself. You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else? I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense.
Really you assume i believe in the death penalty? Well i don't you know what i would do remove his citizenship put him in jail for life.
It was dark and he only caught a glimpse of the thief? It was dark and he lied not to get into any bigger trouble then he already knows hes in for chopping a guy up is just as easy to say. And yes you endanger yourself by bringing weapons with you any time, guess what more people die and get hurt by their own chainsaw and gun then by someone else you saying a chain saw isn't as dangerous as a gun, fuck it's just a motorized saw which is a samuari sword to some extent in design. Guess what you own a weapon you better be prepared for the consequences of using it.
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On September 16 2009 13:05 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 11:52 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 16 2009 11:46 Saddened Izzy wrote:
What's wrong with that kid he doesn't own a bat like a normal person but instead keeps a samurai sword by his bed side. Unless he saw a gun or some sort of weapon from the guy seriously something wrong there the kid fucked up the situation even more by bring a sword, if it was a gun it be a different story he lunges at him he get shot depending on the shoot the guy dies in a min or in a few hours, but a sword is just asking for some fucked up shit. Sorry but my logic works unless the guy was like 8 feet tall and was built like Eugen Sandow that is excessive force in my rule book the kid is confident enough to slash away at the guy but can't think like listening to the door opening it seeing the thief then running to call the police, it is not up to the kid to confront the thief unless he believes he can control the situation which he obviously could not. Obviously that college education isn't doing much for his critical thinking. #rant rant rant# If he calls the police - the robber gets away in time, and you lose your shit. Why would you have to see a gun if someone broke into your place to steal your stuff. You take the pussy way out like you're saying, you just lost $50-100 of stuff. I'd sooner kill the guy who broke into my property in the first place, who most likely wouldn't hesitate to use force against me. That is assuming I had the chance. I might call the police simply out of fear, but just because this kid didn't, doesn't mean he made the wrong choice imo. He took matters into his own hands by confronting the thief in the first place. He couldn't like listen to the door and peek inside to see? And he couldn't handle the fucking situation he killed the guy plain and simple, he didn't have the intention of killing him? He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit. self defense only works when they come to attack you, the guy came to steal not to hurt him physically if the state can't do so call "righteous killings" then you can't either. Ionno if his state banned the death sentence or not but i'll look it up. What he's too cheap to afford home or renters insurance instead he kills a guy over a few bucks? this was off campus 1. You obviously have a lot of bias already coming into this thread. 2. You assume too easily that he meant to kill someone with the sword. 3. You believe that you have the right mindset regarding this matter, everyone else is wrong. 4. You sound REALLY stuck up.
I have a strong position and unless someone can tell me logically how killing someone over property can ever be considered not a crime well blow my mind. Also i tend to shout even though i know it's not going to help my argument when i strongly believe in something.
The thing i focus on is the kid confronted the thief he didn't hear suspect shit in the garage and called the police and waited at the neighbors or something he took it on himself to handle it and it resulted in a death and he should be put on trial for such.
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On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself. You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
Nazgul what would you do in a position where you were home sleeping and a guy breaks in? Im just curious as to your personal response and im on your side.
Personally I would probably make sure my family/friends were safe and then call the police. While maybe 8/10 time when you confront a burgler he will run but weapons just escalate the situation. If you just make sure you and whoever else in the house with with is safe by like all being in one room locked door then oh well insurance covers property that is stolen. If the person confronts us then it escalates to him not being there just for stealing so then deadly force might come into play.
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On September 16 2009 13:08 Saddened Izzy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:54 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 12:49 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:40 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 12:35 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead. There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks. Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not. On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote:
Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended. It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood. You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it. Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there. On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself. You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else? I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense. Really you assume i believe in the death penalty? Well i don't you know what i would do remove his citizenship put him in jail for life. It was dark and he only caught a glimpse of the thief? It was dark and he lied not to get into any bigger trouble then he already knows hes in for chopping a guy up is just as easy to say. And yes you endanger yourself by bringing weapons with you any time, guess what more people die and get hurt by their own chainsaw and gun then by someone else you saying a chain saw isn't as dangerous as a gun, fuck it's just a motorized saw which is a samuari sword to some extent in design. Guess what you own a weapon you better be prepared for the consequences of using it.
I don't understand the your mind set that the kid was going in to kill the guy. Why can't you see that he had the sword to protect himself. It was more like oh it the garage seems suspicious, I'll bring along something to defend myself just in case the worst case scenario happens and make sure everything is alright. This guys was charged like almost 30 times, he could be dangerous. The sword was probably the best weapon that he could find at the time and he brought it with him so that he could protect himself.
Guess what? I don't own a weapon.
And guess what? You need to stop being a stuck up bastard and admit that the kid wasn't bringing the sword to kill people.
On September 16 2009 13:10 Saddened Izzy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 13:05 BanZu wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 11:52 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 16 2009 11:46 Saddened Izzy wrote:
What's wrong with that kid he doesn't own a bat like a normal person but instead keeps a samurai sword by his bed side. Unless he saw a gun or some sort of weapon from the guy seriously something wrong there the kid fucked up the situation even more by bring a sword, if it was a gun it be a different story he lunges at him he get shot depending on the shoot the guy dies in a min or in a few hours, but a sword is just asking for some fucked up shit. Sorry but my logic works unless the guy was like 8 feet tall and was built like Eugen Sandow that is excessive force in my rule book the kid is confident enough to slash away at the guy but can't think like listening to the door opening it seeing the thief then running to call the police, it is not up to the kid to confront the thief unless he believes he can control the situation which he obviously could not. Obviously that college education isn't doing much for his critical thinking. #rant rant rant# If he calls the police - the robber gets away in time, and you lose your shit. Why would you have to see a gun if someone broke into your place to steal your stuff. You take the pussy way out like you're saying, you just lost $50-100 of stuff. I'd sooner kill the guy who broke into my property in the first place, who most likely wouldn't hesitate to use force against me. That is assuming I had the chance. I might call the police simply out of fear, but just because this kid didn't, doesn't mean he made the wrong choice imo. He took matters into his own hands by confronting the thief in the first place. He couldn't like listen to the door and peek inside to see? And he couldn't handle the fucking situation he killed the guy plain and simple, he didn't have the intention of killing him? He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit. self defense only works when they come to attack you, the guy came to steal not to hurt him physically if the state can't do so call "righteous killings" then you can't either. Ionno if his state banned the death sentence or not but i'll look it up. What he's too cheap to afford home or renters insurance instead he kills a guy over a few bucks? this was off campus 1. You obviously have a lot of bias already coming into this thread. 2. You assume too easily that he meant to kill someone with the sword. 3. You believe that you have the right mindset regarding this matter, everyone else is wrong. 4. You sound REALLY stuck up. I have a strong position and unless someone can tell me logically how killing someone over property can ever be considered not a crime well blow my mind. Also i tend to shout even though i know it's not going to help my argument when i strongly believe in something. The thing i focus on is the kid confronted the thief he didn't hear suspect shit in the garage and called the police and waited at the neighbors or something he took it on himself to handle it and it resulted in a death and he should be put on trial for such.
The kid didn't kill because his property was stolen but because he was being charged at by a stranger and whats wrong with bringing a weapon in YOUR OWN HOUSE. We don't have to rely on the police all the time you know.
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Best course of action in this situation: call the authorities and make sure everyone is locked in a secure room, only using a weapon as last recourse if there is clear intent of assault. Unfortunately in our culture it's ingrained in our minds that confrontation is for some reason necessary. At the end of the day you may have lost some stuff (if the guy isn't caught by the cops), but 9 times out of 10 all parties should walk away unscathed.
It was a very poor decision to confront the intruder on the student's part in my opinion, however that does not change the fact that he has the right to defend himself in his own home, if the accused man did in fact try to jump him.
Did he take the right course of action? No. Does this mean that under the law he should be incarcerated for a large portion of his life? That's debatable, pending investigation, but from the limited information provided here, probably not.
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On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself. You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
I'd agree, the safest thing to do, if possible is to wait for the person to come to you, not go looking around in the dark for them, plus you know your own house better than they do, stop and call the cops if you can. If you have a family it's a little different situation, or if you live with roommates, it's a little more dangerous investigating suspicious noises because so many people live in that house, you could harm one of your friends. It's also a reason burglars break into houses where a lot of people live because you would be less suspicious hearing random noises at night.
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On September 16 2009 13:08 Saddened Izzy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:54 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 12:49 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:40 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 12:35 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead. There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks. Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not. On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote:
Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended. It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood. You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer. There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it. Oh so are you saying that the kid knew that the man was unarmed when IT WAS DARK AND HE ONLY CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF THE THEIF. If the kid died, you'll probably go like why didn't he chop off the thief's head right there. On September 16 2009 12:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself. You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else? I don't understand this. Why would you not bring a weapon with you on your property during the middle of night? You're endangering your own life for not bringing an item of self defense. Really you assume i believe in the death penalty? Well i don't you know what i would do remove his citizenship put him in jail for life. It was dark and he only caught a glimpse of the thief? It was dark and he lied not to get into any bigger trouble then he already knows hes in for chopping a guy up is just as easy to say. And yes you endanger yourself by bringing weapons with you any time, guess what more people die and get hurt by their own chainsaw and gun then by someone else you saying a chain saw isn't as dangerous as a gun, fuck it's just a motorized saw which is a samuari sword to some extent in design. Guess what you own a weapon you better be prepared for the consequences of using it.
You are all over the place with your thought process. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Its a good thing your opinion doesn't matter. There is almost no chance, given the circumstances, that the kid will receive any kind of harsh punishment. It was nice of you to drop your over inflated rage all over the subject in a cesspool of horrible points and convoluted logic though, thanks.
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On September 16 2009 10:55 Snet wrote:
Awesome lol. I have a samurai sword in my room, don't ask me why I just do. o_o
here's the thing with guys owning a samurai sword:
We have an incident here in the 89's that a man who likes being a bad-ass goes to one of our neighbor's house and demands an all-kill match against his mortal enemy? (sorry, forgot what they were fighting about)
So the dude inside the house said, if you want a fucking fight come in to my house you bitch.. something in the lines of that..
Well, since he is so much badassery he went inside the house but what the fuck! he didn't see it coming.. the guy that owns the house is a fucking ninja, why?
when the bad-ass came in to the house, the home owner turned off all his lights then starts slashing(?) + Show Spoiler +there is a question mark remember?
Now the problem with that is they can't find anyone to press charges because they don't know who really did the crime since 1) Lights were turned off 2) there was like 15 people inside the house (LMAO when he incident happened) 3) The suspects is either the tricycle drivers or the owner of the house itself. and 4) trespassing.
All I can say about this incident is WTF!
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Not all human lives are equal, some people deserve to die for what they do. It's the ultimate form of accountability. This thief knew everything that being a burglar entailed; including getting killed on "the job." Why can't we accept this? If this kid truly felt threatened, then he was fully justified. Yes, I'm cold hearted.
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On September 16 2009 13:19 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
Not all human lives are equal, some people deserve to die for what they do. It's the ultimate form of accountability. This thief knew everything that being a burglar entailed; including getting killed on "the job." Why can't we accept this? If this kid truly felt threatened, then he was fully justified. Yes, I'm cold hearted.
Anyone that I find on my property, with the intent to steal shit, will be receiving the sweet spot of my 34" aluminum bat from high school.
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