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On September 16 2009 12:24 Saddened Izzy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:19 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 11:52 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 16 2009 11:46 Saddened Izzy wrote:
What's wrong with that kid he doesn't own a bat like a normal person but instead keeps a samurai sword by his bed side. Unless he saw a gun or some sort of weapon from the guy seriously something wrong there the kid fucked up the situation even more by bring a sword, if it was a gun it be a different story he lunges at him he get shot depending on the shoot the guy dies in a min or in a few hours, but a sword is just asking for some fucked up shit. Sorry but my logic works unless the guy was like 8 feet tall and was built like Eugen Sandow that is excessive force in my rule book the kid is confident enough to slash away at the guy but can't think like listening to the door opening it seeing the thief then running to call the police, it is not up to the kid to confront the thief unless he believes he can control the situation which he obviously could not. Obviously that college education isn't doing much for his critical thinking. #rant rant rant# If he calls the police - the robber gets away in time, and you lose your shit. Why would you have to see a gun if someone broke into your place to steal your stuff. You take the pussy way out like you're saying, you just lost $50-100 of stuff. I'd sooner kill the guy who broke into my property in the first place, who most likely wouldn't hesitate to use force against me. That is assuming I had the chance. I might call the police simply out of fear, but just because this kid didn't, doesn't mean he made the wrong choice imo. He took matters into his own hands by confronting the thief in the first place. He couldn't like listen to the door and peek inside to see? And he couldn't handle the fucking situation he killed the guy plain and simple, he didn't have the intention of killing him? He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit. self defense only works when they come to attack you, the guy came to steal not to hurt him physically if the state can't do so call "righteous killings" then you can't either. Ionno if his state banned the death sentence or not but i'll look it up. What he's too cheap to afford home or renters insurance instead he kills a guy over a few bucks? this was off campus I thought the robber attacked first? I'm pretty sure u have right to defend yourself, or what can you say about the policemen who shot a kid with a squirtgun thinking it was a gun or the policeman who shot a guy in bronx because they thought he was taking out a weapon even though he was going to take out his id. The kid put himself in that situation. Unless the robber touched him one can easily argue the robber was heading to the door when he saw a kid with a mother fucking sword barge in which the kid was blocking.
Do you fucking read the opening? He came in by prying the garage door open and he could of left through the garage door dumbass.
Its completely reasonable because:
1 - He came in through the side door, so he could of ran away through there. So...
2 - The burglar was attacking the kid, self defense.
3 - He is on other person's property.
4 - The burglar is a scumbag.
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On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha
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On September 16 2009 12:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
You gotta be one shallow son of a bitch to think the protection of your property is worth a human life.
I agree
However.... If you are there when they are there it could be kill or be killed. I have given a situation where someone broke into my house a lot of thought before. If i had sometype of club or bat or anything I wouldnt hesitate to go for the head if I had any inclination they could be armed. If they were running away or something of course I wouldnt chase after them and beat them to death or anything though.
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On September 16 2009 11:47 BlackJack wrote:
I hope this kid gets the electric chair. NOBODY has the right to take another person's life.
sorry but that's a no, buddy.
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Kid with the sword should get a medal.
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On September 16 2009 11:47 BlackJack wrote:
I hope this kid gets the electric chair. NOBODY has the right to take another person's life.
If you put him on an electric chair, isn't whoever put him there taking another person's life? Are you contradicting yourself?
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wait so this guy lunged at a guy holding a samurai sword? What the fuck does he think his a real thief with +5 dodge?
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On September 16 2009 12:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
You gotta be one shallow son of a bitch to think the protection of your property is worth a human life.
So you are saying that in any case when your in the heat of the moment, potentially scared for your life, your family, your friends, that you should roll over and die? This man seems desperate enough in the past to attempt to pull a gun on a police officer, granted not every "intruder" would be this far through the cracks. But there are many justifications for using deadly force and if you feel that under no circumstance should you attempt to defend yourself and your belongings on your own property just wait till perhaps you, or someone you know is put in the same situation. Today's society is so scared of conflict in the interest of self preservation that you would think they should atleast be able to defend themselves.
That man should be considered a hero.
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On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha
A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead.
There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. He could have easily walked away well ran.
What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks.
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On September 16 2009 12:34 Phayze wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
You gotta be one shallow son of a bitch to think the protection of your property is worth a human life. So you are saying that in any case when your in the heat of the moment, potentially scared for your life, your family, your friends, that you should roll over and die? This man seems desperate enough in the past to attempt to pull a gun on a police officer, granted not every "intruder" would be this far through the cracks. But there are many justifications for using deadly force and if you feel that under no circumstance should you attempt to defend yourself and your belongings on your own property just wait till perhaps you, or someone you know is put in the same situation. Today's society is so scared of conflict in the interest of self preservation that you would think they should atleast be able to defend themselves. That man should be considered a hero.
It's simply not safer for your family when you carry a gun out to meet a burglar. It's fucking stupid and gets people killed it's like the most retarded misconception Americans have. Walk out without a weapon and you are more likely not to die and keep your family safe. Most burglars run when they get caught, but try pointing a gun at them see if they care about their life. I guarantee you they will fight to survive.
There is not a single justification to walk out with a sword or a gun to meet a burglar. And then to cut him down when he isn't carrying a weapon is downright nuts.
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Why are you people arguing about the sword in the first place? I think what matters is that the kid "accidently" killed the thief, not the tool used. So what about those people who keep guns in their closet just for the very same purpose? Isnt that normal in america? So samurai swords are bad, what about guns? Shooting is ok, slashing is not? Am i getting this right.
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Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended.
"They heard shouts and screams from a neighboring house and found the suspected burglar suffering from a nearly severed hand and laceration to his upper body, he said."
He did not chase after the burglar, or meet him on the street to kill him. He merely heard something suspicious and brought the means to defend himself. May i remind you in his own house on his place of residence
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On September 16 2009 12:35 Saddened Izzy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead. There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks.
Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not.
On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote:
Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended.
It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood.
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it's easy to second guess people after the fact, but in the heat of the moment, all you know is that some strange person is trying to break into your house. i'm sure the sensation you get when that's happening is pretty intense. you don't know what their intentions are, but that they are violating a very basic social rule. yeah, personal property isn't worth someone's life, but that's the not evaluation you are running in your mind at that moment its happening. its not like your first reaction is to stop and ask the guy, "hey, are you here to rape and kill or just steal?"
also, that kid has to live with the fact he killed someone. even if it was justified or not, taking someone's life has to got to weigh heavy on you.
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I agree with A3iL3r0n, because this is a hindsight bias. Hindsight bias is saying that you knew it would of happened after it happened. You won't be saying the same thing if the kid got fcked over would you?
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On September 16 2009 12:41 A3iL3r0n wrote:
it's easy to second guess people after the fact, but in the heat of the moment, all you know is that some strange person is trying to break into your house. i'm sure the sensation you get when that's happening is pretty intense. you don't know what their intentions are, but that they are violating a very basic social rule. yeah, personal property isn't worth someone's life, but that's the not evaluation you are running in your mind at that moment its happening. its not like your first reaction is to stop and ask the guy, "hey, are you here to rape and kill or just steal?"
also, that kid has to live with the fact he killed someone. even if it was justified or not, taking someone's life has to got to weigh heavy on you.
I don't disagree with you at all. I think everything you say is right on. However what you are saying here, and what others are doing by cheering for him saying it was the right thing is a world of difference.
I think believing it is not right to cut down an unarmed man, burglar or not, and believing it's stupid to meet a burglar with a weapon in your hand, doesn't mean you can't agree with the fact that emotion can change every rational argument.
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On September 16 2009 12:40 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:35 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead. There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks. Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not. Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote:
Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended. It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood.
And it wasn't like a hidden weapon. This is if this burglar wasn't deterred at a sword and lunged at the kid regardless, assuming that's what happened, there's almost no chance he wouldn't have killed that kid. Just the kid holding a sword by itself is like a warning. If you come in here I'm going to stab you, I'm telling you exactly what will happen if you proceed. It's not like were sitting down for tea, only the tea is poison. As soon as you saw the sword and decided to lunge, you signed you agreement to this dispute. Given the additional info, and the fact that this guy had 29 arrests and charged at a guy holding a sword. Assuming this info is correct this kid does deserve a medal.
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On September 16 2009 12:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:41 A3iL3r0n wrote:
it's easy to second guess people after the fact, but in the heat of the moment, all you know is that some strange person is trying to break into your house. i'm sure the sensation you get when that's happening is pretty intense. you don't know what their intentions are, but that they are violating a very basic social rule. yeah, personal property isn't worth someone's life, but that's the not evaluation you are running in your mind at that moment its happening. its not like your first reaction is to stop and ask the guy, "hey, are you here to rape and kill or just steal?"
also, that kid has to live with the fact he killed someone. even if it was justified or not, taking someone's life has to got to weigh heavy on you. I don't disagree with you at all. I think everything you say is right on. However what you are saying here, and what others are doing by cheering for him saying it was the right thing is a world of difference.
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself.
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On September 16 2009 12:40 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:35 Saddened Izzy wrote:On September 16 2009 12:26 BlackJack wrote:On September 16 2009 12:18 Saddened Izzy wrote:
he didn't have the intention of killing him?
He brought a fucking samurai sword the sword is a weapon only, he didn't bring a hammer or a bat; shit that serves multiple purposes he brought a fucking sword the only object of a sword is to kill shit.
LOL. Because if he killed him with a hammer he MIGHT have been going to his garage to hang a painting. Or if he killed him with a golf club he MIGHT have been going to hit a few balls. hahaha A sword serves one purpose and that is to kill people. The fact the kid owned one brings up serious doubts to the kid not just confronting the robber and slashing him then telling lies to the police saying he lunged at him. Guess what it's easily to lie about what happened when the only other witness is dead. There is intent to do serious harm to another when you bring something that is only a weapon to confront someone. What the hell is so wrong saying "When someone breaks into your house to steal something and you notice you go to the police, when they break into your house to kill you and your family you can kill him too." No one should ever die over a few bucks. Thats funny, because why the fuck would there be the second amendment? A gun is the same as a sword, made only to kill. You take a gun with you because just in case theres a break in and you want to defend yourself. He brought a sword to protect himself and the man lunged at the student once the thief saw the student. Anybody would panic at the fact that theres a complete stranger in your house and is charging straight at you and you're not sure if he has a weapon or not. Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:38 Phayze wrote:
Also on the news page i found this
The area seems to be very hostile. This kid should definitely be commended. It sucks that johns hopkins is in a bad neighborhood.
You interpret the 2nd amendment way i interpret it another. You believe that bearing arms as a right is equivalent to being allowed to kill people in the name of defense and getting away with that?
Anyone who kills anyone when the other guy is not armed or made it crystal clear that he will kill you or people around you right now, cannot walk away scott free the kid should serve time just like a guy who accidentally kills a person walking down the street with a car. You say it's different? because one is something one does in defense vs something one does out of being inept? It is not, defending yourself is never an excuse to kill someone like that there was no struggle, no fight the kid killed him one slash, does it make what the robber was doing right to say it's wrong of the kid to do what he did? Of course not. what the hell is not want to be the hero go out and stop the bad guys go be a police officer even police officers don't get away with kill people in the name of defense, most of them loose their jobs over situations like that unless the guy the shot had a gun and was using it or already kill people.
There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it.
On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 12:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 16 2009 12:41 A3iL3r0n wrote:
it's easy to second guess people after the fact, but in the heat of the moment, all you know is that some strange person is trying to break into your house. i'm sure the sensation you get when that's happening is pretty intense. you don't know what their intentions are, but that they are violating a very basic social rule. yeah, personal property isn't worth someone's life, but that's the not evaluation you are running in your mind at that moment its happening. its not like your first reaction is to stop and ask the guy, "hey, are you here to rape and kill or just steal?"
also, that kid has to live with the fact he killed someone. even if it was justified or not, taking someone's life has to got to weigh heavy on you. I don't disagree with you at all. I think everything you say is right on. However what you are saying here, and what others are doing by cheering for him saying it was the right thing is a world of difference. I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself.
Again you do not have the right to defend your property you have an Unenumerated right to defend your life but the kid put himself in danger.
There was more then 1 way to handle that situation and guess what the kid chose one of the crappiest ways to go about it, and he should be punished as such i'm not saying 25 to life or some shit like that i'm saying it is a crime to take matters into your own hands resulting in someone's death.
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On September 16 2009 12:48 MuffinDude wrote:
I'll agree with you that we shouldn't be cheering, but he did the right thing in protecting himself. If a person is threatened, which the situation clearly was threatening to the student (a unknown man charging straight at you in the middle of night on YOUR property), he or she has all the right in the world to protect him or herself.
You are endangering your own life by approaching him with a weapon. With your mindset, which is accepted by law in America, you have more civilian victims, more burglar victims, more fear on the streets and probably a shitton of other negative things. Why would you want to hold on to this belief when it is obviously so bad for you and everyone else?
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