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How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks.
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On September 17 2009 06:20 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 05:12 Klockan3 wrote:On September 16 2009 14:17 MuffinDude wrote:On September 16 2009 14:16 Klockan3 wrote:
I think the biggest thing is that he let the burglar bleed to death, you don't die from a severed hand and light tissue damage to the chest if it is treated. Wasn't the thief decapitated? I read it like that at first too and wondered why people thought that it wasn't excessive force. But the article actually says that the hand was almost severed, otherwise the guy would had gone to jail 100% chance. The deal is that neighbours heard terrified screams, that wouldn't had happened with a decapitation and this his story wouldn't had hold up. Also decapitating someone attacking you with bare hands is excessive force for sure, while just cutting his hand is not. And you can save people who have lost their hands, you just have to tie something really really hard around the arm and then put a lot of cloth before the opening of the arm to save the blood. so if someone is attacking you, you have to cut him just enough with a sword? or swing the bat just hard enough to break bones but not cripple him? do you realize how ridiculous an idea this is? why not argue that any physical contact is excessive force, you should just talk to him and convince him to leave and surrender to the police. its 100% NOT excessive force to cut off a guy's hand who is attacking you. its not even excessive force if you cut off his head. excessive force is if you subdue him, tie him up, and stab him. or if hes running away from you and you shoot him in the back. but if the guy is rushing at you after breaking into your house, you can do whatever you want. there are a million factors that make it impossible for someone defending themselves to accurately use what you describe here as "not excessive" force.
Voice of reason in this stupidly long thread. Why is this still being discussed by anyone else? Where is the follow up article where it is showed that the student went psycho and chased the intruder halfway across the neighborhood before chopping him into itty bitty pieces and force feeding them to children?
This is not a controversial news item. Wtf are you guys thinking.
On September 17 2009 06:35 Boblion wrote:
How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks.
Perfectly good suggestion for you to make to your family members since you don't want them increasing their risk of injury/dying... sure. But irrelevant in a discussion of whether or not he did something illegal... although I agree people should stop acting like he's some awesome bamf.
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he rolled a 15% chance for 3x dmg crit.
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On September 17 2009 06:35 Boblion wrote:
How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks.
Well that depends... by "turtling" you are
1. giving up the element of surprise
2. forgoing defense of any 'expansions' (ie other house members not in the same room.)
You do get a substantial defending advantage though... especially if you do have a gun/bat/sword and can defend if he comes through.
If there is nothing outside of your room worth defending, then it is probably a good strategy.
One side note... you are also risking a false alarm to the cops unless you check it out yourself... if it is say a rat or something that fell over, etc. And when you check it out, it is probably better to be armed in case an unarmed thief comes at you.
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Ok, so let's take this scenario(In the US): :
A burglar enter your house, You :
1 - Decide to check it out(DUMB MISTAKE, but not ILLEGAL)
2 -You bring a weapon with you(DUMB MISTAKE, but not ILLEGAL)
3 -You enter the garage, and the burglar PLUNGES at you, and in the heat of the moment you attack him with 1(ONE) slash(Still NOT ILLEGAL).
I don't have to say I agree with what the kid did. But I don't see how it is illegal under US law(From what I've gathered in this thread, I haven't read any of them myself).
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iv always wondered if you would get into trouble for any of this
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On September 17 2009 06:35 Boblion wrote:
How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks.
There are way too many variables to define this as EV-. One thing for sure is that getting robbed for the 2nd time in a week and not doing anything about it is definitely EV-. Otherwise who are you to determine if risking his life for material "gain" is worth it to him? People risk their lives for material gain all the time, that's why people go and become mercenaries in countries at war or fisherman in the arctic seas. The police officers that would eventually arrive would be risking their lives for material gain. The life expectancy of police officers in my country is 10-20 years less than the national average so clearly their career choice is EV- according to you.
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On September 17 2009 07:33 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 06:35 Boblion wrote:
How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks. There are way too many variables to define this as EV-. One thing for sure is that getting robbed for the 2nd time in a week and not doing anything about it is definitely EV-. Otherwise who are you to determine if risking his life for material "gain" is worth it to him? People risk their lives for material gain all the time, that's why people go and become mercenaries in countries at war or fisherman in the arctic seas.
Right maybe you want to play a game with me. Russian roulette you know ?
Put a bullet into your gun ( i'm sure you have one, but it needs a cylinder ). Aim your head and fire.
I will give you money if you don't die.
I will give you 100$.
Great deal right ? Clear Ev+ move bro ~
The fact that he lost already small amounts of money because of thieves doesn't mean that he should endanger his life ( which is the most valued thing for an human being ).
That's like if a random poker noob tried nosebleed after losing few bi at Nl2. Chasing losses yea !
That's retarded.
On September 17 2009 07:33 BlackJack wrote:
The police officers that would eventually arrive would be risking their lives for material gain. The life expectancy of police officers in my country is 10-20 years less than the national average so clearly their career choice is EV- according to you.
God bless the US seriously...
Elsewhere they have the same life expectancy. However they are cops. They are armed, they are trained and they are paid to do this job and they made the choice. It is not like a 20 years old trying to be a samurai over some random goods. Yea it was his choice. But it was bad. It is not like if he would have been fired or whatever.On September 17 2009 07:13 Krikkitone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 06:35 Boblion wrote:
How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks. Well that depends... by "turtling" you are 1. giving up the element of surprise 2. forgoing defense of any 'expansions' (ie other house members not in the same room.) You do get a substantial defending advantage though... especially if you do have a gun/bat/sword and can defend if he comes through. If there is nothing outside of your room worth defending, then it is probably a good strategy. One side note... you are also risking a false alarm to the cops unless you check it out yourself... if it is say a rat or something that fell over, etc. And when you check it out, it is probably better to be armed in case an unarmed thief comes at you.
He is a student uh. Also close your fucking doors and windows. Rat noises =/= infraction ( broken window / door ) noise.
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Your analogies are terrible 
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Interesting how American law lacks a "Duty to retreat" clause in some states.
Also hot bid i believe there is a duty to retreat clause in Maryland self defense law as Maryland is not listed as having an official castle doctrine.
On a side note
I live in California i still believe in reform although sentiments have been more swaying to locking
which also has
away people forever.
Poll: What do you belive in for repeat criminals
(Vote): Reform
(Vote): Lock them away throw away the key
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On September 17 2009 07:57 BlackJack wrote:Your analogies are terrible
Yea probably but your ideas are terrible too 
Risking your life because someone took your phone or your comp the previous week is really stupid.
That's complete gambling.
edit: I'm done. I think Nazgul / Brett / HotBid + few more have already said everything anyway.
legal ( in the US ): yes
stupid: yes
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On September 17 2009 08:00 Boblion wrote:Yea probably but your ideas are terrible too Risking your life because someone took your phone or your comp the previous week is really stupid. That's complete gambling.
Don't get me wrong, there is no way I would confront the dude. But chances are this guy is breaking into my house next week so I'd rather not see him get away without a fight if that kid chooses to risk his life :D
and to be brutally honest, I would rather see a guy with 29 prior convictions be killed than go free. I guess nobody getting hurt and him being detained would be ideal, but if those are the only 2 options...
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Think for a second what went through his head. You hear some shit in the garage, you are not sure what it is. It could be his roommates being obnoxious or something. Naturally you would go check it out. But he had reasons to suspect that it could be a robber, so he takes a weapon with him just in case. This is something that most people would do. If you hear some shit downstairs, do you immediately call the cops and yell out loud? In this case, the chacnes that it was an intruder was on the high side, but there is still the uncertainty.
I doubt he was thinking 'oh this is probably that thief, ima go slice this fucker. I hope he doesnt have a gun.' It was probably closer to 'what is this noise? It might be that buglar, i better grab this weapon just in case.'
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On September 17 2009 07:51 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 07:33 BlackJack wrote:On September 17 2009 06:35 Boblion wrote:
How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks. There are way too many variables to define this as EV-. One thing for sure is that getting robbed for the 2nd time in a week and not doing anything about it is definitely EV-. Otherwise who are you to determine if risking his life for material "gain" is worth it to him? People risk their lives for material gain all the time, that's why people go and become mercenaries in countries at war or fisherman in the arctic seas. Right maybe you want to play a game with me. Russian roulette you know ? Put a bullet into your gun ( i'm sure you have one, but it needs a cylinder ). Aim your head and fire. I will give you money if you don't die. I will give you 100$. Great deal right ? Clear Ev+ move bro ~ The fact that he lost already small amounts of money because of thieves doesn't mean that he should endanger his life ( which is the most valued thing for an human being ). That's like if a random poker noob tried nosebleed after losing few bi at Nl2. Chasing losses yea ! That's retarded. Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 07:33 BlackJack wrote:
The police officers that would eventually arrive would be risking their lives for material gain. The life expectancy of police officers in my country is 10-20 years less than the national average so clearly their career choice is EV- according to you. God bless the US seriously... Elsewhere they have the same life expectancy. However they are cops. They are armed, they are trained and they are paid to do this job and they made the choice. It is not like a 20 years old trying to be a samurai over some random goods. Yea it was his choice. But it was bad. It is not like if he would have been fired or whatever. Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 07:13 Krikkitone wrote:On September 17 2009 06:35 Boblion wrote:
How i see the optimal response to this situation.
- Call the cops.
- Lock your door ( or close it and put something behind if you can't lock it ).
- Yell: " i have called the cops"
99% of the thieves should leave quickly and try to take some stuff with them ( but relax they won't stay long so they won't have the time to take your car, your skills, your memory and your minerals )
- Get something to defend yourself if he doesn't leave and try to attack you. But if he stays and doesn't try to open your door DON'T try to confront him even if you have a gun because it would be 50% - 50% if he has one too. Going at him with a bat or sword is even worse lol. Actually this would only work in Europe where most thieves don't have guns.
I don't fucking care if his move was legal or not. "Castle law" blablablablabla. Even if some idiots on TL think that he did the right thing and that he is an hero it was a clear EV- move.
Donks. Well that depends... by "turtling" you are 1. giving up the element of surprise 2. forgoing defense of any 'expansions' (ie other house members not in the same room.) You do get a substantial defending advantage though... especially if you do have a gun/bat/sword and can defend if he comes through. If there is nothing outside of your room worth defending, then it is probably a good strategy. One side note... you are also risking a false alarm to the cops unless you check it out yourself... if it is say a rat or something that fell over, etc. And when you check it out, it is probably better to be armed in case an unarmed thief comes at you. He is a student uh. Also close your fucking doors and windows. Rat noises =/= infraction ( broken window / door ) noise.
As a student he doesn't have others to protect, but I was generalizing. Same for the rat noises... something gets knocked over...basically it could be some type of an accident... or a burglar.
Now in the option that you know for sure that it is someone that broke in), and you don't have anything vital to protect that is easy to harm/take out there, then its probably a stupid move to leave the room... and the "call the cops" and letting them know is probably the right strategy.
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Still alive? But really argue whether it was legal or not and it was legal, don't go to the nitpicky stuff like oh he did the right thing.
I personally think its better if you bring a weapon because area around johns hopkins is dangerous and u can get fcked over any moment.
But he did nothing illegal and he shouldn't be charged.
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zomg... this is the coolest thing in the world.... If he gets in trouble for killing the robber then i will fucking punch something.... it
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On September 17 2009 06:54 micronesia wrote:
Perfectly good suggestion for you to make to your family members since you don't want them increasing their risk of injury/dying... sure. But irrelevant in a discussion of whether or not he did something illegal... although I agree people should stop acting like he's some awesome bamf.
If you read the entire thread and the facts we gradually learn he is pretty awesome.
If it's just a guy killing a burglar that's kinda fucked up.
Then you learn that burglar got arrested 29 times. Then you learn that kid just got robbed a week ago, maybe by the same guy. Then you learn that kid goes to John Hopkin's, then you learn John Hopkin's is in a horrible horrible neighborhood. Then you learn after the kid catches him there in his garage stealing his shit the burglar lunges at him seeing full well this kid is holding a samurai sword. This guy robs houses and isn't even afraid of getting in melee range of a samurai sword. The chance that I'd expect someone in his position to have some sort of weapon is very god damn high especially considering his attitude toward an armed person. When the kid cuts him, he slices the guy's wrist, a non vital point when the body is obviously a much larger target as well as harder to avoid hitting when someone is lunging at you. Then you find out the neighbor's reactions, they seem pretty supportive of that kid. There's more of course, this is just a summary.
What I'm wondering is how many times did that burglar get cut? I couldn't see how he'd just die from a wrist wound. Also why the fuck did the burglar get in melee range of a samurai sword. Even if he had a weapon himself, he's a burglar, pretty obvious he's not gonna have insurance, if he got cut anywhere on the body he woulda died if not there then from not being able to get it fixed. That burglar should have been begging the guy to call the police to get arrested for the 30th time, ran for the exit or jumped through a window to get out. Unless the burglar had a gun and had a real reason to believe he could stop the kid without a scratch from himself he just about picked the worst possible course of action. If that was his plan he shoulda just hanged himself at home and saved everyone the trouble. It's very obvious this burglar cannot play Starcraft because strategically he'd be a D------- player.
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There was just 1 (ONE) slash. It went somehow from wrist to upper body. The laceration caused the death.
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Something that would scare me about this is that if he stabbed this guy in the dark he'd have no idea whether this guy was just some prankster or an actually robber. He could stab someone and turn on the lights and it could be his best friend lying in a pool of blood on the ground. Damn, I'm pessimistic.
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