EPT2009-2010 football (soccer) thread - Page 46
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
1) It was intentional BUT almost every foul is intentional, u get my point ? 2) No one can ever expect Henry to tell the ref he touched it. No one 3) Irland have to feel robbed but if Henry tells the ref the goal shouldnt count and France is out of this.. cant even imagine.. well what so ever.. I think Henry is one of the few players who wont get a bad reputation because of it. He has always been good mannered and a great sportsman so i doubt it.. pretty sick, though | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13530 Posts
"Sometimes things that go around come around in football." "Against Serbia (earlier in qualifying) we had our goalkeeper red-carded for nothing and we were unlucky but didn't go making a big deal of it." "Football's like that." | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On November 19 2009 17:23 RowdierBob wrote: It sucks for Ireland to go out like that, but it's gamesmanship at the end of the day. Bending the rules to help your team win has happened since sport started and will exist forever. I think the French coach summed it up best: Lol i'm sure they would be making a big deal out of it if it knocked them out of the world cup. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13530 Posts
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
The principle thing I am taking from the game is that Ireland were better than France which is a good indicator for our longer term prospects. Our players were to a man superb and I am very proud of them ( a sentiment everyone else I have talked to shares). Fair enough, it is up to the ref to catch things like this but fair play is admirable, doing anything to win is not, after all we despise the use of steroids, or everybody here hates hackers or people that use a rigged map. This can't be changed it's just one of those things like the infamous hand of god by Maradonna against England. Of course sometimes professional footballers actually do the fair thing and its nice to remind oneself of that. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
the 2nd scene is quite amazing though.. but also not really comparable.. but whateva.. Ireland was great and they really surprised me | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
I agree that Henry can't really be blamed for doing what he did. 99% of all footballers would not have admitted it in that situation. Daniele De Rossi admitted to a ref when he scored a goal with his hand once, but that was in Serie A and I'm not sure he would've done the same thing if it was in an important WC game. And yeah, Di Canio is a great guy. ![[image loading]](http://cultureofsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/di_canio_salute.jpg) NOT! Stupid SS Nazio player... | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
On November 19 2009 22:01 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the 1st scene isnt comparable to Henry admitting the handplay, though ( not at all) the 2nd scene is quite amazing though.. but also not really comparable.. but whateva.. Ireland was great and they really surprised me Sigh, I am just saying fair play does happen, didn't realise that was controversial, though the Di Canio picture above is pretty messed up | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 19 2009 22:29 Not_A_Notion wrote: Sigh, I am just saying fair play does happen, didn't realise that was controversial, though the Di Canio picture above is pretty messed up Of course fair play exists. Henry is a great example of it too prior this match. But like someone said WC = war. You don't want to lose. | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
On November 19 2009 22:35 SuperArc wrote: Of course fair play exists. Henry is a great example of it too prior this match. But like someone said WC = war. You don't want to lose. Ok back up and read my first post on why it's not ok to do anything to win where I cite an example of a huge victory for a team I support that was tainted by cheating.(Hence why I think the player in that case Tadgh_Kennelly is piece of shit, despite he was one of our 2 best players on the day) So no, as far as I am concerned neither the World cup nor indeed any competition is actually war, which is why I said I was glad to be on the receiving end of cheating rather than being the actual cheating team. I despise victories where my team cheats whether its diving or from something like this, which partly explains why I am not bitter about the defeat, better them than us. I've lost respect for Henry but I don't begrudge the French as a whole. But hey I guess expecting standards of conduct from ones players is old fashioned. Edit* Plus, screw it I have South Korea, North Korea, USA, New Zealand, Spain and Japan to cheer for too Edit 2 I wouldn't mind seeing England do well for themselves either, they've been unlucky too many times in the last few WC's | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32160 Posts
Better yet, imagine if Robbie Keane scored like that to knock France out. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 19 2009 23:11 Not_A_Notion wrote: Edit 2 I wouldn't mind seeing England do well for themselves either, they've been unlucky too many times in the last few WC's Unlucky... hah! England's failure in all tournaments (WC's and Euro's) in the history of football (except that one time on home ground) has got little to do with luck. One semi-final appearance in the WC, one semi-final appearance in Euro's is all they have. So no, they're not unlucky, they're just not good enough. One thing they're good at is overrating themselves, but when it comes to playing football they have never really been close to the top teams. | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
On November 20 2009 00:51 Holgerius wrote: Unlucky... hah! England's failure in all tournaments (WC's and Euro's) in the history of football (except that one time on home ground) has got little to do with luck. One semi-final appearance in the WC, one semi-final appearance in Euro's is all they have. So no, they're not unlucky, they're just not good enough. One thing they're good at is overrating themselves, but when it comes to playing football they have never really been close to the top teams. Sorry dude but going out on penalties in 2 of the last 3 WC's(v Argentina in 98 and v Portugal in 2006) has to contain some element of luck, they lost to the eventual winners Brazil in 2002, thanks to a foolish mistake by David Seaman. Granted their media's "lets big England up" attitude is annoying but the media in any country are a bunch of morons anyway. That's no reason to begrudge the team, even if they do have Frank Lampard and Ashley Cole. So I stand by what I said, I hope England do well and I hope they don't go out to another penalty shoot out for the 3rd time in 4 World Cups. Unless you think a penalty shoot out involves no luck whatsoever? | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
EC 96 : loses penalty shootout vs germany in semi finals WC 98 : loses penalty shootout vs argentina EC 2000 : lost in group stage, this was legitimately bad WC 2002: lost 1-2 vs brazil, brazil won the entire world cup EC 2004 : lost penalty shootout vs portugal WC 2006: lost penalty shootout vs portugal EC 2008 : didnt qualify so in the past 7 championships, theyve been knocked out in 4 penalty shootouts, lost once vs winner, and twice has completely failed on their own. bad luck has obviously been a factor - unless you want to suggest that penalty shootouts have nothing to do with luck, but then you'd be in disagreement with pretty much every single pundit. ;p edt : oops I didnt notice the irishmans post there :D | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
On November 20 2009 01:09 Liquid`Drone wrote: ok lets look at england since 1996 EC 96 : loses penalty shootout vs germany in semi finals WC 98 : loses penalty shootout vs argentina EC 2000 : lost in group stage, this was legitimately bad WC 2002: lost 1-2 vs brazil, brazil won the entire world cup EC 2004 : lost penalty shootout vs portugal WC 2006: lost penalty shootout vs portugal EC 2008 : didnt qualify so in the past 7 championships, theyve been knocked out in 4 penalty shootouts, lost once vs winner, and twice has completely failed on their own. bad luck has obviously been a factor - unless you want to suggest that penalty shootouts have nothing to do with luck, but then you'd be in disagreement with pretty much every single pundit. ;p edt : oops I didnt notice the irishmans post there :D My pleasure to see a more informed post than my own XD | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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